Make the case for retaining Hoke

"Your opinion is one based on feminist perceptions. Perceptions that are as ignorant of males as misogynists perceptions of females experiences."

First of all, I'm a man, and I'm a feminist. So you're basically talking gibberish. Feminists are not anti-male, dude--we are pro-equality.

"But feminists don't understand this. They think that ONLY their view is the correct one. That THEY are immune from parochial or bias. That's utter nonsense. As humans we all are prisoners of our own experiences and knowledge."

Hilarious, because that's exactly what feminists have been trying to tell non-feminist men FOREVER.

"The idea that a female-dominated society is somehow better..."

This is perhaps the most obvious straw man I have ever seen. NO ONE is arguing for a female-dominated society. What you're doing is picking the most rare, extreme, insane representative of a group and assuming that everyone is exactly like that. This is total bullshit and you have no excuse for not knowing better.

"Domination by any one group generally does not end well for us."

Agreed! So stop supporting the domination of women via slut-shaming.

"Lastly, Men are also dehumanized  in a patriarchal society. "

Feminists were actually the first people to theorize this. If you would stop spewing garbage out of your mouth and actually sit down and listen to one of us, we would be happy to tell you about it. I can gaurantee you that as a male feminist, I spent A LOT of time thinking about how men are dehumanized by our insane patriarchal culture.

"One need only visit a battlefield to see this. Women have largely been sheltered from the horrors of war--a bizarre benefit of sexism--and men have not."

Have you ever heard the term spoils-of-war? Do you know what Sherman's army did in their march from Atlanta to Savannah? Do you know what the Russians did when they sacked Berlin? [I'll tell you: the soviet Red Army raped over 2 million women]. Have you ever heard of the "comfort women" taken by Imperial Japan from its colonies? Mass war-time rape is a practice dating back to ancient times, having been mentioned in the bible [""For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women taken..." Zechariah 14:2, to name just one example] and in the ancient writings of Homer and others. Rape is not just a by-product of war, it is a deliberately employed military strategy.
 

"How can it be that you know not of the suffering at Normandy? Of the horrors of Cold Harbor? Tarawa?"

FYI: My family has fought in almost every single war this country has fought, dating back to over one hundred years BEFORE the revolution. Three of my four grandparents served in WW2. My dad's mom was an officer in the USMC. Her husband was on the USS Gambier Bay when it was sunk in the battle of Leyte Gulf, which was the largest naval battle ever fought in the entire history of the world. He was one of the lucky ones who wasn't instantly incinerated, so he had the great pleasure of watching his buddies get eaten by sharks while they spent the next few days awaiting rescue. And since you had to bring it up, my great-uncle was on one of the B-24s....

So despite your histrionics, I am well aware of the horrors of warfare. More aware than you are in fact, because I know enough to know that men aren't the only people on the receiving end of war-time horrors.

"Then there are the men who died in mines and industrial accidents and who are killed in our streets(80% of homicide victims are males)."

Yes of course, because no women have ever died or been maimed in any industrial accidents.

Because I'm a feminist, I must think that only women have ever been raped or butchered, right? Are you really that fucking stupid? What the fuck are you even talking about?

P.S. let me repeat this for you incase you didn't read my other post: Rape of women and children is a deliberately employed military strategy. Why don't you take a moment out of your day and learn about how war has affected the other half? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence

What exactly is responsible for all those things you listed: systems run almost exclusively by men, or systems run almost exclusively by women? Who exactly is preventing women from participating in everything in that post?

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That's what I thought. Your line of thinking is a nice try, but it lacks depth.

This isn't a competition between who's had it shittier, men or women. Bad things have happened to people throughout history and there isn't some sort of sliding scale where you can't complain about this one bad thing because it's not worse than this other bad thing. They're both awful. 

As for getting upset about the initial post that sparked this entire debate, besdies the fact that your assuming that the inital poster was a man, which you couldn't possibly know, you're outrage really is coming from a surface level--Women's Studies 101--approach that looks at the world as black and white. Of course, the more sophistatcated realize that that word is simply just that: a word, not some sort of chain enslaving women. It literally only matters if you let it matter, which is why new feminist groups incorporate it as a positive form of protest. New feminists understand that language, of course, is a human construct, not some kind of physical bound that controls people.