Realistic expectations for firing timing
September 30th, 2014 at 8:05 AM ^
Given what Brian is strongly implying, if I were on the medical staff I would go right into Schlissel's office, tell him what Brandon did, and demand "either he goes or I go (to the press)." That would make it happen pretty quickly.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:08 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 8:12 AM ^
I'm missing something, what has Brian been saying?
September 30th, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^
This statement took so long because the medical staff refused to lie.
— mgoblog (@mgoblog) September 30, 2014
This was a day-long fistfight over whether and how Michigan would admit they played a concussed player.
— mgoblog (@mgoblog) September 30, 2014
September 30th, 2014 at 8:23 AM ^
The delay makes it a sadly plausible scenario given the people in charge and everything else, but I don't know how such a thing would be confirmed short of having someone on the training staff just say this very thing. If it were the case, however, that's all sorts of wrong on all sorts of levels.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:17 AM ^
Basically that the training staff were urged to not fully disclose Morris's concusccion but refused to do so.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:17 AM ^
That they wanted the medical staff to lie about him having a concussion. That's supposed to be why it took so long for the release to come out and then it did at something like 1am.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:37 AM ^
can't disclose jack squat without the patient's consent. shane had bigger things to deal with and may have wanted to discuss this matter with others, including non-michigan folks, before he said 'okay'.
September 30th, 2014 at 9:07 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^
HIPAA is only for covered entities. Athletics are not covered. The hospital or physician would need consent to release the information to the AD. Once the AD has that information, they are free to do with it what they wish.
If Brandon wanted the concussion thing obfuscated, then he has no right working anywhere put one of the pizza ovens at his old stomping grounds. That is a huge problem. If this is true, then fuck him. Seriously, I hope his helicopter crashes, and the pilot survives without a scratch.
September 30th, 2014 at 10:23 AM ^
I consider it a journalistic fail to report on a blog with a major following that internal pressure to outright lie as the reason for the delay. Sure a jump of logic can be made but its a bit slanderous and unprofessional to just put this out there....unless there are sources to be revealed or who self-reveal. Its one thing to say "its my opinion that" or "i think that" but to put it out as a fact is not right and I have to call it as anger-driven and not logically sound.
A similar jump of logic would be that Brandon wanted to meet and interview every person involved to have a full understanding of what everyone's involvement, opinion, and statement would be, before making a statement. Don't parlay this into support for Brandon but removing all names and insert the structure into a similar undesirable situation, a leader should take appropriate time to make a full investigation.
September 30th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^
If he jumps to that conclusion, I am with you. But it sounds like he has a solid source. If he doesn't, then yes, he is committing a pretty offensive remark. But I would back Brian on this, I assume his news is legit.
September 30th, 2014 at 10:45 AM ^
it certainly takes a day and a half to interview a few doctors and coaches and get their take on the situation then write a few paragraphs.
/s
September 30th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^
the national news media (not just sports) outlets are running with the story all over the place dragging the coach/school through the mud.
September 30th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^
talking about an obvious ankle injury takes no access to medical records - watch the tape and see the ankle get sprained. you/me/brandon are not prohibited from saying the word 'sprain' when we can plainly see what happened.
but the concussion injury can only be properly diagnosed by a doctor or other medical health professional. they are prohibited from disclosing that unless consent has been given. i assume there is some type of consent from player to team physicians and likely coaches so the team can function and plan for injury issues, but that is different than a waiver that says, in effect, 'anything the doc tells you, you can put it on twitter, facebook and TV.'
1484 - your otter comment yesterday was hysterical. good one.
edit: this was in response to duloc and 1484, but for some reason posted farther south about 5 comments. oh well.
September 30th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^
It is general procedure for ALL scholarship athletes at ALL universities to sign HIPAA waivers.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:20 AM ^
Yeah. Barring a whistleblower, we may never know for certain that medical staff pressured/asked to lie but not a huge stretch of the imagination to make that assumption. I would love to know what Doctor Mark Schlissel feels if that is the case.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:06 AM ^
I believe that Hoke will be the coach for the rest of the season. I can't see him losing his job this week even though he deserves to.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:08 AM ^
It's too late to salvage this season, and while Hoke deserves to be fired yesterday, it's understandable why he won't be. (Mainly, no one wants to come in as interim-HC, most likely.) But if Brandon lasts another week, that is a huge problem.
September 30th, 2014 at 9:34 AM ^
It is too late for Hoke to salvage the season but not too late for the team to salvage the season.The only viable step after Saturday's Morris concussion incident and the press conferences / releases of the past 24 hours is to fire Hoke and advance an assistant to interim head coach. The interim has got to be somebody who can light a fire under the whole team and get them to play to their potential and also somebody who is respected by the whole community.
Paging Greg Mattison.
September 30th, 2014 at 9:48 AM ^
If salvaging the season means going 5-7 with non blowout losses in our remaining games versus going 2-10 with a six touchdown loss to Michigan State because the team has quit, then it is not too late to salvage the season at all. And it needs to be done. This program desperately needs good news and some wins. We desperately need to look palatable for the next coach too. We have about two months to audition ourselves to the likes of David Shaw, Todd Graham, Bret Bielema, etc etc etc. This embarrassing, dysfunctional shit has got to stop now. This program is losing pints of blood by the minute. Firing Hoke won't bring immediately competence but it might bring back some desire and morale, and there just might be enough competence on the team and incompetence on the schedule to win a few games.
If Hoke finishes the season, it's 2-10, with blowout losses to everyone but maybe Indiana. The fact that Michigan fans are resigned to accepting this makes me sick.
September 30th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^
is a likeable guy off the field. nuss, however, seems like a much more confident individual to me, given the little exposure i've seen thus far in interviews, etc. i think he is more likely to get these kids fired up and change direction than mattison, imo.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:20 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 9:44 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 9:55 AM ^
His career as Michigan coach is over. Its just a question of now or in November. He was on the thinnest of ice before Morris got hurt and this just tightened the noose around his neck. He could be fired today for complete incompetence as a coach. He could be fired today for negligence on his handling of Morris. Either or both will get him fired by end of the season.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:06 AM ^
I would say everyone is mortified about poor Shane and how it was handled and we all want change. How in the hell were people still supporting Paterno? It's crazy to think that he had a significant amount of support after the news came out.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:53 AM ^
A closer comparison would be some big scandal occuring here near the end of Bo's era when he had become an icon. People can be blindly loyal to those whom they revere.
September 30th, 2014 at 9:01 AM ^
The gravity of the 2 situations isn't comparable but I did find it amusing seeing some PSU writers commenting on how bad Michigan's PR approach has been. That's how bad this has gotten in the media...PSU writers feel it necessary to comment on.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:09 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 8:13 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 8:13 AM ^
My guess is that he's removed before the next home game at the latest. This week seems more likely. Even if the decision has already made it could take a little time before they're ready to announce it.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^
I encourage everyone to please take a moment and contact President Schlissel and explain your connection to the University. Explain why you refuse to be associated with a University that would employ Dave Brandon. A man that is being paid millions of dollars to try and get highly accomplished and respected medical personnel to lie for his own personal gain.
Email is [email protected]
Office phone is 734-764-6270
I promise Brandon won't make it a week if people do this.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^
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September 30th, 2014 at 10:07 AM ^
Secretary thanked me for the call and stated she has been busy today with phone calls. Stated that the callers have been very polite, There seems to be actual concern about this incident and that is just what I wanted to here.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^
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September 30th, 2014 at 8:20 AM ^
Hoke won't be fired until after the season. My guess? With no bowl game to go to, it takes 1-2 weeks post-OSU for official word. And I think that's regardless of what happens with Brandon.
Brandon? Who knows. His tenure has been an unmitigated disaster, but I don't know what kind of precendent there is for firing ADs, how bad for how long before they get the axe. Compound that with the recent presidential turnover, it's really hard to guage how close he is to getting ousted. You know it's bad when the AD is being called out via chants for your firing on TV broadcasts, but I really have no idea what it takes for someone like Brandon to get fired.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:23 AM ^
Re: Hoke, The Game is November 29th. I'd be stunned if he's employed at noon on December 1st. He should be gone now but I definitely think there's an issue getting an interim HC and Brandon cannot be trusted to do a coaching search. That gives Michigan 2 months to get a replacement AD in.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:31 AM ^
I think Hoke gets a customary "we'll think about it" period of a week or so, but that it's actually decided long before the Game that he's gone. The coaching search and stuff will probably happen as soon as the season ends, if not even a little before.
I think he should be the coach throughout the season, because I really don't think there's any benefit to firing him midseason. But I think the instant that clock hits 0:00 in Columbus, he's done, not matter how long it takes the university to announce it.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:32 AM ^
Sadly if he makes it to the end of the season he won't be let go before January. At that point it would be silly to fire him and not save the $1 million. He will be fired before Friday or after the new year.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:31 AM ^
to Brandon or Hoke until attendence dips below 80K, for multiple consecutive games. Until then you can keep dreaming. The timeline that MGoBlog and Twitter think this is all going to happen is laughable. It's going to take at least a year, at the earliest. I would say two years.
Hoke is going to be around for 2015 because the coaching talent pool is shallow and we need a slam dunk hire. If this was a good year for coaching replacements, it might happen this year, but that's not the case.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:34 AM ^
the Morris concussion controversy, Coke-for-ticket scandal, embarrassing loss after embarrassing loss...it's going to happen within the calender year because almost certainly there will be another embarrassing headline coming from the Larry and Moe. These clowns just can't help themselves.
September 30th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
did wayyyyy more stupid stuff. you give moe and larry too much credit.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:31 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 8:35 AM ^
People always complain about the coaching pool being shallow. What do you think is going to change in 2015? Coaches aren't like NFL players, whose contracts come up and become free agents. Coaches who are doing well are always going to be locked into contracts. There's never not going to be a shallow talent pool for good coaches. You either lure the established ones away (either with money or promises of more automony) or you identify the up-and-comers. Next season will be no different than this season which will be no different than last season.
September 30th, 2014 at 8:57 AM ^
Much like the post-2010 season coaching search.
Nothing happens fast and there has been _zero_ indication that the AD is willing to pay big (10 milion for head coach along with OC/DC) to get a winner. They'll get someone for 3 or 4 million, he may or may not work out.
This isn't an intellectual arguement - this has happened now, once. It's about to happen again in a year.
September 30th, 2014 at 9:12 AM ^
I'm pretty sure Hoke has a salary that ranks in the top ten for head coaches (link), and both OC and DC salaries are among the highest. So yes, the AD has absolutely demonstrated that they are willing to throw money around to hire coaches.
And speaking of setting onself up for disappointments, please explain how if we keep waiting, there will somehow be a crop of great coaches that are available waiting to be hired if we just postpone the next coaching search long enough.
(And for what it's worth, in my post above, I have no idea how long it will take for Brandon to go. I am doubtful he'll be gone ASAP the way some are hoping.)
September 30th, 2014 at 9:12 AM ^
You never addressed the previous posters point. You claim they can't fire Hoke because they need a slam dunk hire, so what makes you think the coaching pool will be any deeper next year, or the year after that? Is it your belief that Michigan is going to wait around year after year until a big time candidate becomes available? What happens if that coach doesn't want to come to Michigan, do you keep Hoke on again?
You also imply Michigan isn't willing to pay big money, you do realize Hoke is currently the 7th or 8th highest paid coach in the country with an annual salary of more than 4 M, so you think his replacement will get less?
You may be right, this will probably not happen with the speed fans around here want, but to imply Hoke will keep his job solely because there are no viable candidates out there that you, a MGoBlog poster, think is a slam dunk hire or that Michigan isn't willing to pay big money is off-base.
September 30th, 2014 at 10:05 AM ^
I don't know if it's going to be deeper next year but in the absence of a solid option, they'll keep him. We have a for sure thing today (bad pool) to delay in the hope of a better pool tomorrow and it spares us the embarrassment (_their_ embarassment, the AD. The AD doesn't care how you feel, unless it impacts the money) of the firing a coach for another day. This kind of how, you know, our government works as well. Not saying this is how things _should_ be done, it's just how things are.
The AD will wait until the very last moment or if it's a complete and total collapse that brings seating down to below 80K for multiple consecutive games, like I originally said. This is the only series of events that will yield us a new coach in 2014.
It has to hit them where it hurts - money from attendance. It's already bad, but it's got to be 'stadium quarter empty even with tickets being given away bad' for something to happen.
September 30th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^
I am not trying to attack you here, I am just genuinely curious as to how you believe the pool will just magically improve in future years. What kind of coach are you expecting to come along that will be a home run hire? Major, established coaches don't come along very often, if they do exsist, no matter how remote the chances (Harbaugh's) you need to do everything you can to get them.
If you believe Michigan is not willing to do whatever it takes thats fine, I can't really dispute that, especially as long as Brandon is the AD. I just dont understand how you think they are going to stick with a coach who has demonstrated he is terrible simply because there is no overwhelmingly good hire out there. There are multiple coaches out there destined to be succesful big time coaches, Michigan just needs to find the right one.
I guess I may just be trying to apply a level of logic here that Dave Brandon doesn't possess. Michigan will never be good again if they just sit around and wait for a "home run" hire to come along, those guys just don't fall into your lap. You are entitled to your opinion and I am not trying to attack it, but for Michigan footballs sake I really hope you are wrong.