Potential solutions for players sitting out bowl games?

Submitted by OwenGoBlue on December 15th, 2018 at 6:48 PM

We argue about the trend often but we mostly agree it's less fun when the best players don't play. How can college football address this to better protect players and appease fans?

I'd like to see the NCAA allow schools to take out larger loss-of-value insurance policies for draft eligible players as a start. If that's not financially feasible for smaller schools, perhaps that money could come partially or entirely from a pool all of the bowls have to pay into. 

This wouldn't keep everyone playing but it could move the needle somewhat at least. What other ideas do we have?

swan flu

December 15th, 2018 at 8:04 PM ^

How about this: allow the schools to pay players bonuses for playing in the bowl game. This would void their eligibility (until amateurism is killed as it should be), but what do they care if they are going pro anyway?

 

Also the solution is really just to pay the players.

mjv

December 15th, 2018 at 8:06 PM ^

Pay the players.  Their paychecks come at the end of the season.  If they don't play in the bowl game, they don't get their last paycheck.

mjv

December 16th, 2018 at 12:14 AM ^

Well, maybe the coaches don't get $8M annually.  And defensive coordinators don't make $2M. And the funds from the trip to France are used to support the payments.  And the over the top facilities don't get all of the bells and whistles.  And the scores of overpaid administrators get cut back and pay reduced.  

Athletic departments are wasteful.  By design.  Many don't want to show how much money is being made.  They want to claim to not make money as some defense to this amateurism nonsense.

in the 1990s when each game ticket was $35, and no one made $1M, the amateur concept was legitimate.  The money grabbing that has always been part of professional sports has infiltrated all aspects of college sports.... except for one aspect, the players.  They are the ones who list their future health and for what?  Grant Newsome nearly lost his leg playing the game -- the risks are very real.  Jake Butt got his draft stock crushed in a meaningless bowl game.

I've never been a fan of the Playoff system, and now its ruined everything else.  The bowls are meaningless.  And as rounds get added to the playoff, the regular season will be meaningless.  But there is no way the vampires like Delany are going to stop the money spigot.  The blatant money grab that has become college football is now out in the open.  And players realize that they have been on the wrong side of it. 

Don

December 15th, 2018 at 8:27 PM ^

College football as we knew it is in the process of dying. It will still shamble on for a decade or two, but for the large majority of schools, attendance will plummet and interest will wane as the best players sit out games with increasing frequency. Non-blue blood schools will start cutting football because the financial pressures on academic institutions in the debt-plagued years to come will be intense—regular college students will rebel at the idea of institutional support for football draining away money that could go to academics while players routinely refuse to play in games they deem as too unimportant to jeopardize their NFL contracts.

Eventually there will be a small number of big-time programs left, but any pretense of academic involvement by the players will have disappeared entirely, and it will essentially be a minor league followed by fans of those schools, pro scouts and gamblers. The days of intense national interest from coast to coast will be gone. People in the future will look back on what we think are the golden years of football the same way we look back on football of a century ago: quaint, naive, and culturally irrelevant to their lives.

There's a long-term solution that would ensure the continued popularity of college football as an in-person spectator sport, but it's far too radical to ever be seriously considered: the NFL could create a meaningful minor league that would be open to anybody over the age of 18. Talented players who didn't have any real interest in attending college could start earning a paycheck playing a game they love, the way hockey and baseball players have done for many decades.

Inevitably, a large portion of the most talented athletes would be freed from the charade of having to pretend they want to obtain a college degree, just as in hockey and baseball. There would still be people willing to play football for colleges and universities, albeit with an average talent level that would be lower than we've been accustomed to during our lives, but not with the goal of playing professionally. The days of coaches making millions even as assistants would disappear, the huge TV contracts would be a thing of the past, and the vast majority of bowl games would disappear. It would be closer to what football was like during the 1930s or 1940s, when turning professional was something only a tiny percentage of college players even thought about. 

4th phase

December 15th, 2018 at 8:39 PM ^

Allow players to sign an agent after conference championship weekend. Then the schools can pay a player to play in the bowl game if they want. Then it would be a negotiation between the player and the school. Its kind of like a player is getting an early singing bonus or a college retirement gift (gold watches for everyone!) depending how you look at it. This prevents players from pulling a Bosa, and cuts that off before it becomes a trend. Smaller schools in meaningless bowls wont care, and bigger schools who want to bring in better ratings and feed the NCAA bowl game cash grab will be incentivized to pay star players to play.

killerseafood3

December 15th, 2018 at 8:49 PM ^

As a fan, I always want to see the best players represent the college, regardless of the game. However, if I was in their shoes, I would sit out and not give it a second thought vs. risking injury. The schools make too much money for these bowl games, so I can never see a college turning down an invitation.

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MGOBLUEDO

December 15th, 2018 at 8:56 PM ^

2 hand touch football - although in school might be considered assault now. 

other options - flag football 

All joking aside, im not sure of any solution. Insurance policies won’t be equal to the amount of money potentially made over a career.

Bowl games are like exhibition games like the pro bowl - remember when Robert Edwards blew out his knee at the NFL rookie flag football game. Although he had knee problems and was injury prone. 

 

 

 

 

UMfan21

December 15th, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^

The sad truth is, bowl games dont mean a damn thing.  I knew a guy affiliated with the team years ago.  He told me as much and I never believed it.  I always loved the bowl game, the usual tough competitor for bragging rights against other conferences...but it was like he told me there is no Santa.  He said if the Big Ten title or NC were not on the line, the teams just kind of packed it in.  They barely cared about bowls, only fans like me did.

 

With the recent trend of players sitting out, I can only think it validates what he told me.  The games mean ja k squat and could compromise their future earnings.  The only ones who care about bowls are the fans and sponsors ($$$).   Just watch it as a glorified exhibition game where nothing matters.

k1400

December 15th, 2018 at 9:29 PM ^

The only solution I can think of is for me to stop caring as much, and I hate it.

Or maybe I could stop caring as much about the players that are sitting out, and care about the ones still on the team.  Still hate it, but I hate it a lot less.  I don't blame them for their choice.  Thank you for being on the team, best of luck in the NFL, but now you're taking yourself off. 

We could focus on the guys who are still on the team. 

Dayton Blue

December 15th, 2018 at 9:34 PM ^

How about showing up with winning game plans in big regular season games?  Then the bowl would have actual stakes. 

SMart WolveFan

December 15th, 2018 at 9:36 PM ^

I don't agree it's less fun.

I'd rather see more of Jalen Mayfield, Aidan Hutchinson, Ronnie Bell, maybe even a good dose of Joe Milton as well as other young guys.

But I agree, draft eligible players should get a much better/easier insurance policy, I wonder if the NCAA sells enough T-Shirts to underwrite this?

M-Dog

December 16th, 2018 at 12:41 AM ^

After the 2008 Illinois game, I was talking with some parents of the players, one of whom was Brandon Graham's mom.  She said that they took out a $2M insurance policy on Brandon, which they had to pay for themselves.  It was not cheap.  But the NCAA would not allow it to be paid by someone else.

But now the NCAA does.  This year before the Wisconsin game, I was talking to TJ Edwards' (Wisconsin All American LB) dad at a tailgate at Fingerle.  They have a $10M policy on him and the NCAA pays for it (or lets it be paid for).

It's much different now.  But you still are going to have guys sit out of games that are meaningless.

I'll have to pay attention and see if Edwards plays, but I won't be surprised if he sits out the Pinstripe bowl on a Thursday night in December.

 

crg

December 15th, 2018 at 10:13 PM ^

Part of the problem I have with this trend is the hand-waving justification of it.  Everyone in favor claims "this risk isn't worth it", yet where are the numbers to show it?  These guys average X games per year, with Y average snaps per game, for a 2-4 year span or so.  If they haven't shown themselves to be injury-prone up to this point, what is the real harm with one more game?  If the player was still recovering from an injury and not 100%, that might be a different story.  However, aside from people cherry-picking individual cases (a la Jake Butt), this is a bit of an insincere argument.

MaizeMN

December 15th, 2018 at 11:00 PM ^

Provide draft insurance. I think Jake Butt had this and it paid him based on how far he fell in the draft. I'm not sure what criteria were used, but I think that's reasonable.

Sooner than later, game attendance and viewership will suffer if the best players aren't playing.

I do think it's the players choice to play or sit out. But if they choose to sit, I also think they should reimburse the school for a portion of that year's scholarship. They were given certain compensation in exchange for playing football. If they choose not to live up to the original agreement, they're in breach of contract.

Decisions based on economics have economic consequences, both good and bad.

West Coast Struttin

December 15th, 2018 at 11:55 PM ^

8 team playoff.

Regular season is just as important that way.

Who cares if players sit out in other bowl games. 

Strength of schedule should mean much more to qualify - not just record - so we get good OOC regular season games too.

M-Dog

December 16th, 2018 at 12:30 AM ^

The guys that are going to sit out are going to sit out. 

So focus on the backups who want to play.

Bowl season should be "free" from red shirt limits.  Anybody can play during bowl season and it does not count toward the red shirt limits.

 

Blumami

December 16th, 2018 at 7:00 AM ^

I think that a players union — which gives a say to, you know, the folks actually playing the games — would go a long way toward providing clarity on this and a number of other issues: length of schedule, size of playoff, stipends, insurance...

tfrock

December 16th, 2018 at 8:46 AM ^

Have a 3rd party auditor conduct a mock draft at the end of each regular season and grant the kids in the first 4 rounds insurance equivalent to what they would lose in the event of a career ending injury for the bowl season ... this would limit the insurance to like 130 kids and eliminate the risk to them.  Fund via a centralized NCAA fund.  Least the NCAA can do given how much money they make off of these kids.

bronxblue

December 16th, 2018 at 8:59 AM ^

People complain all the time that we can't pay players because it would ruin the spirit of the game and college and blah blah blah.  Then these players finally decide that playing in a meaningless bowl in Tuscon on December 20th so that a mid-level at Raycom can bill half a million in sponsorship probably isn't in their best interests, and we all complain they aren't thinking about our level enjoyment.

Fuck it.  Let guys play as much as they want.  They aren't our indentured servants.  The vast majority of players play though the regular season and then skip a meaningless exhibition.  That's how it should be.

BoMo

December 16th, 2018 at 9:56 AM ^

So it's OK to tell a HS senior to skip his last semester of HS to enroll early at his chosen school to start practicing with his college team because it's the next step for him but it's not OK for that same player to make that same choice 3-4 years later for another "next step"?  If the college coaches are encouraging early entry, they better be OK with this trend of skipping out on meaningless bowl games for the NFL.

I don't personally like it but if my coach makes $5 million, the bowl president makes $1 million and you're asking me to risk my chance to get to that financial level and my team's already out of contention? I know what choice I'm making.  Face it, these kids are now taught from age 5 on that it's me, me, me not the team, the team, the team.  That's youth sports in the 2000's.

BuckeyeRealist13

December 16th, 2018 at 9:53 PM ^

I don't know, but I love bowl season. 99% of players on bowl season rosters aren't sitting out, so I'm not really worried about it.