Alabama's long history of unpunished NCAA violations under Nick Saban

Submitted by Diagonal Blue on December 9th, 2018 at 12:06 PM

It's time to either pay the players or have powerful people in college football start talking and exposing Alabama and Nick for what they are because this is getting silly. College football isn't fun anymore. This is John Wooden/UCLA/Sam Gilbert all over again. You can't sign the #1 recruiting class every year for a decade and not be breaking the rules. Yes, success begets success and kids want to play for a winner, but it defies logic how a coach who went 6-6, 6-5, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2, 8-4, 10-3, 8-5, 13-1, 9-3, and then bombed in the NFL showed up at a school with a long history of NCAA infraction cases who wasn't relevant for a decade and turned them into the greatest powerhouse in the history of CFB overnight. Now NCAA president Mark Emmert was the chancellor at LSU who hired Saban and he's allowed him to operate brazenly and with full immunity since. 

Alabama has 24 commits right now, 23 of them are 4 or 5 stars. They are going to land at least 4-5 more 5 stars if current recruiting intel holds. This is a monopoly of talent never seen in CFB before, and anyone who thinks they are doing this above board is out of their mind. These are just a few of the stories that have trickled into the public over the years under Saban. Mind you this is just the tip of the iceberg.

The have a car program:

https://247sports.com/college/usc/Board/29/Contents/Alabamas-Recruiting-Dominance-Continues-Wow-50860219/

Their players accept money from runners:

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- Five Southeastern Conference football players, including former Alabama All-American tackle D.J. Fluker, allegedly received impermissible benefits prior to completing their collegiate careers. According to a Yahoo! Sports report, former Alabama defensive end Luther Davis acted as an intermediary between the players and multiple NFL agents and financial advisers. The report says Davis funneled money and benefits totaling $45,500 to Fluker, Tennessee starting defensive end Maurice Couch, former Volunteers quarterback Tyler Bray, and former Mississippi State playersFletcher Cox and Chad Bumphis. The allegations would violate NCAA bylaw 12.3.1.2, which prohibits athletes from receiving extra benefits from prospective agents or marketing representatives. The violation could impact Fluker's eligibility and potentially the Alabama wins he participated in, including the 2012 Discover BCS National Championship. A second Yahoo! Sports report alleges that former Alabama safety Mark Barron accepted money while he was recovering from a shoulder injury as a junior in 2011 that kept him from declaring for the NFL draft. Text messages obtained by the website show that Barron was asked to repay money after signing with a competing sports agency. Alabama coach Nick Saban said Wednesday he supports the school's compliance department and then refused to answer further questions on the matter.

They've been accused of paying players by NFL agents:

Sports agent Ralph Cindrich was asked about the harsh penalties the NCAA brought down on Penn State and whether he agreed with them or not. He did hammer the NCAA for their decision making, calling NCAA president Mark Emmert a “bozo”, but he sidetracked, accusing Alabama coach Nick Saban of cheating. Cindrich was asked who is monitoring the NCAA, and he had the following to say: “That’s a very good question,” he said. “No one’s watching them. You want to know who’s watching them? Nick Saban. You want to trust Nick Saban? I have enough on Saban right now – and I realize this stuff gets out, and I also realize the truth is a defense. I know what goes on in college football, so cut me a break. …” “Everybody has something on Nick Saban, for God’s sake,” Cindrich said. “And if he has a problem with anything I say, come on after me, big guy.” Cindrich was then asked if Alabama players are paid to play football for the Tide. “Oh come on. “When you get these guys down and you get them under oath, they’ll tell you that. Sure. The statute of limitations has probably run as far as any criminality was involved to what I was relating to Saban, but I was involved in it. I know what he tried to do. I know what he tried to cover up. If he wants to stand up and say something, I’ll bring that up. If it’s out of time, I’ll go to the nearest agent I know, and I’ll bring up about a dozen things that are in time, because that’s the way he and most of the big-time schools, particularly in the SEC, operate.“

Other coaches in college football think he's cheating:

"If you had the No. 1 recruiting class in the country every year [you'd win like Nick Saban]," an anonymous coach told Chip Patterson of CBSSports.com. "He shows up at every single game with a better roster than the teams he's playing." If you count cheating and getting the best players in the country as part of running a program, he's the best in the country," the coach added. "It's like saying an NFL coach is the best coach in the league if he gets 25 first-round picks every year."

Their players have taken money from coaches on staff:

Back in the old days – say 2011 – the University of Alabama might be nervous after another report of a star player receiving an extra benefit in violation of NCAA rules. 
On Thursday, it was word from TideSports.com that assistant strength and conditioning coach Corey Harris was placed on administrative leave for providing a loan over the summer to star safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. The report also says Harris was found by the Alabama compliance department to have ties to a sports agent. It was just Wednesday that Clinton-Dix was suspended indefinitely for an undisclosed violation of team rules. These aren't outside allegations. These are the conclusions of the school itself. This comes on the heels of last month's Yahoo! Sports detailed story about how former player Luther Davis had ties to sports agents and financial planners and provided a series of "impermissible benefits" to star lineman D.J. Fluker, now of the San Diego Chargers, among other SEC players. The school is looking into that one. That's smoke from two sports agent stories on top of each other, one coming from a currently employed staff member. Predicting the actions of the ever-unpredictable NCAA is always fraught with danger. But back when the NCAA had a full, aggressive enforcement staff, when it still liked flexing its muscles, when it wasn't under such assault from lawyers and the public alike – you know a couple years ago – it stands to reason it would've sent a team to Tuscaloosa, Ala., to take a look at the Crimson Tide. 

Their players have been accused of taking banned NCAA substances:

A number of players from the 2012 national championship Alabama football team reportedly used the same deer-antler spray that Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis allegedly used this season. The spray contains IGF-1, a substance banned by the NFL and NCAA. Christopher Key, co-owner of the company that provides the spray, toldESPN's Joe Schad on Wednesday that he sold the bottles to Alabama's players and personally witnessed five of them spray it in their mouths. The company, Sports with Alternatives to Steroids, or "S.W.A.T.T." is based in Alabama and Key said he sold approximately 40 bottles in total to members of Alabama's football team; 20 of those bottles were purchased by players at a New Orleans hotel room as the team prepared for the BCS national championship game against LSU last year, and then another 20 bottles were sold to members of the team at the apartment of an Alabama player 10 days before the nationally televised game.

Their players associate with agents:

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- University of Alabama officials are investigating whether junior defensive lineman Marcell Dareus broke NCAA rules by attending an agent's party in Miami's South Beach earlier this summer, multiple sources told ESPN.com. Dareus, ranked as the No. 7 prospect for the 2011 NFL draft by ESPN analyst Mel Kiper, is the latest prominent college football player to be entangled in an evolving NCAA investigation into illegal contact and conduct by sports agents. "Our [university] compliance people are looking into it," Alabama coach Nick Saban said. Sources told ESPN last week that NCAA investigators have interviewed North Carolina players, including defensive end Marvin Austin, about attending the party. South Carolina tight end Weslye Saunders also confirmed to ESPN on Sunday that he recently spoke with NCAA investigators about the same party. 
The NCAA is trying to determine who paid for the players' transportation to Miami, and lodging, food and entertainment while they were there. 

They had a huge memorabilia scandal:

A report alleging NCAA violations involving memorabilia by Alabama players being sold by a Tuscaloosa, Ala., store owner drew a response Thursday night from Alabama director of athletics Bill Battle, as well as a vehement denial from Tom Al-Betar, owner of T-Town Menswear and T-Town Gallery. The story alleges that current Alabama players, including stars Julion Jones, Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson, AJ McCarron, T.J. Yeldon and Amari Cooper, are autographing memorabilia that they know is being sold, an NCAA violation, and potentially profiting from it, as well. It's not the first time Al-Betar has faced the allegation from outkickthecoverage.com, and Alabama sent the booster a formal letter of disassociation by the UA compliance department in 2011. Reached by cbssports.com Thursday, Al-Betar defended his actions, saying that the memorabilia in his shop signed by current players is being brought in by fans."They don't belong to no football players," Al-Betar said. "They sign it over there and they will come here. Most every year they do the same thing." Photos from the shop's Facebook page, however, depicted both current and graduated players signing items in the store, although outkickthecoverage.com provided no evidence of payments to players. It may be up to the NCAA at some point to decide what it all means. On Monday, the T-Town Menswear Facebook page, the source of many of the photos of Albetar and the players, no longer existed. A Twitter message from @ttownmenswear said, "T-Town Menswear is in the process of setting up a new web site, blog and more! Stay tuned for more info."

Their coaches have committed NCAA recruiting violations:

Alabama won't face any further punishment stemming from former Crimson Tide defensive line coach Bo Davis' NCAA violations, the NCAA announced Friday morning. Davis received a two-year show-cause penalty that will be in effect through April 13, 2019. It's a significant punishment that stems from the violations that led to Davis being fired by Alabama last April. According to the NCAA, Davis knowingly committed a recruiting violation when he took part in an impermissible meeting with four prospective recruits that was pre-arranged by a booster. Davis then provided false or misleading information about the meeting and the booster's involvement when questioned by Alabama and the NCAA, according to the NCAA.

So yeah, what's the point of trying to compete if the playing field isn't level. College football isn't fun anymore and it's because the NCAA has allowed Alabama and Nick Saban to monopolize talent in a way that's never happened in the history of the sport. A sport that is almost assuredly as dirty as college basketball.

The bureau was investigating an individual for Security and Exchange Commission violations who was allegedly funneling money to players. That sort of plea-deal whistleblower doesn't exist in college football. Yet. "It's probably manifested itself in football in a slightly different way," said a former NCAA official familiar with the enforcement process. "… You have the same incentive [to cheat], if not moreso, because of the value of a head coaching job at top level of football. "I have no doubt [the same level of cheating] is happening."

SlickNick

December 9th, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^

This may come off as whiny, but I don't really care at this point. College football is not nearly as enjoyable to me as it once was....and it's not because of my number 1 frustration with Michigan,-the fact we can't beat OSU....but it is the widespread corruption of the NCAA. You can't tell me the NCAA had no idea about all the pay the player BS that was going on in basketball until the fucking FBI got involved. You would have a harder time trying to convince me that Mark Emmert has no idea about the corruption going on in football....which earns way more money for the NCAA. I could go on and on about this topic...but I'll just leave it at this. How in the hell does Nick Saban own 50% of a used Mercedes dealership....and all of his players just happen to drive around these vehicles valued at 80-100K+?  Nothing to investigate over there eh Mark? You tell me this...if Jim Harbaugh bought out a used luxury car dealership outside of Detroit, and all of a sudden college freshman at Michigan are driving luxury vehicles around town.....would the NCAA turn their heads, or would the media and NCAA burn Michigan to the ground?  I work at Michigan Medicine and quite a few of my coworkers are making six figures....but still, the vehicles they drive around are "new/used" fords, or chevy trucks....not one of them can afford a souped up bmw, or lifted hummer with tinted windows and a custom sounds system....let alone as college freshman! 

It makes me sick that Saban will go down as the best college coach of all time. To me he is nothing other than a phony and a cheat..who will never get his due because he has made the scum bag running college athletics unimaginably rich. 

username03

December 9th, 2018 at 1:54 PM ^

The playing field is level, no real school gets in trouble for these sorts of things. Some schools may choose to engage in it more than others but thats their choice. Or more likely, people looking to make money off these players in the future direct them to schools more likely to showcase their talents, while wearing the prefered shoe. Other than they get good players, there is no evidence that Alabama as a school engages in this anymore than anyone else.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 9th, 2018 at 3:39 PM ^

Weird argument.  And wrong.

Sort of like saying that the playing field is level because....all are free to choose to be tax cheats and "that's their choice," and the fact that some only under report some tip wages is the same as Wesley Snipes paying no taxes at all on huge income for many years, makes it all a level playing field.

Got it. 

Ghost of Fritz…

December 9th, 2018 at 11:21 PM ^

You are proving my point.  In the real world Snipes gets punished.  The IRS does not equate Snipes' tax cheating with the waiter's undeclared tip income.  Both are not in compliance with the law.  On gets jail. Another is so trivial that the IRS does not bother to even enforce it.

But in your version of CFB, these cases are the same.  Level playing field and all...

JBE

December 9th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^

We’ve gotten Peppers and Gary, etc. We missed on Hill and Hand, etc. You win some, you lose some. That’s just recruiting. This post is just sad and petulant. The system should be changed no doubt, but propose something instead of essentially whining via a list. 

MIGHTYMOJO91

December 9th, 2018 at 8:20 PM ^

What a nice and well thought out response. Your credibility is through the roof. He made a point and you, well not so much. As for his comment on this being a stupid post, can't argue that, it is a really stupid post. Would you like some cheese with your whine?

uofmchris1

December 9th, 2018 at 2:05 PM ^

Who cares? Obviously the NCAA doesn't care.

Why would any 5* recruit NOT want to play for the best college football team for 10+ years and counting?

sharks

December 9th, 2018 at 2:33 PM ^

The problem is that some Michigan fans are clinging to the hope that the Wolverines don't do all of this too.  If you'd told me every program outside the service academies pay players, I wouldn't blink.

As far as the academic superiority goes, how many kids are in the "General Studies" program?  Or is it still kinesiology?

umchicago

December 9th, 2018 at 2:56 PM ^

if the nfl got rid of the 3 year rule to be drafted, it would even out the playing field dramatically.  those 4th and 5th year seniors (who aren't 5 stars) become that much more valuable.

BOX House

December 10th, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^

a normal adult should not need explanation on the immaturity of referring to another adult's mental health diagnosis on an online message board. someone of your maturity level might fit in somewhere like, say, the RCMB. May I recommend it? carry on with your narcissism, child.

BOX House

December 11th, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^

hahahah. youre a joke. "it's not that i'm intollerant [sic]"

 

 

Blue_by_U August 12th, 2015 at 4:05 PM ^
it's all part of an agenda being pushed across our nation. Public image is "tired" of the fairytale 'rich white guy' is the best...they want diversity and faith in players like Russell Wilson and RG3. You can see it in ESPN broadcasts, hell they even gave Michael Vick a free pass back to NFL fame...With the current sitting President of the United States, the media agendas in TV programing, biased coverage of foul play/racisim in police forces...the whole nation is 'being pushed' toward the idea that the rich white male is the root of evil...Agree with me or don't. Neg away, don't care...the typical portrail of the white male these days is weak, homosexual, awkward, evil, whatever...hell even an Olympic gold medalist gets a damn award for 'courage' because he/she/it./shit...wants fame any way possible by adding silicone etc. country going to hell in a handbasket with all this tollerance and diversity movement...and it's not that I am intollerant, I have friends and co-workers I truly respect of any variety of denominatin, gender, or race...people are people, until you try to convince everyone they aren't...

The Chancre

December 9th, 2018 at 3:02 PM ^

I believe the biggest fear of the NCAA is that the SEC, ACC, and possibly the Big 12 will take their ball and leave the playground. They'll form their own association, league, whatevr, just play each other, and exist outside the NCAA (probly along with Notre Dame).

I don't know if all these stories are true, and I wonder how come the benchwarmers don't come out and tell what's going on, or players that get "processed" or just anybody in the know.

You believe this much goes on, yet players hardly EVER talk, and one agent talks?

Somewhere, someone, some professor, coach, player, agent--there are thousands of cases out there of cheating if even half this shit is true.

Yet, crickets. Everywhere.

And please stop insulting the integrity of every player who goes to another school. I suspect not that many are getting money. Help? Yes, of course.

But they can't ALL go to Alabama, and they don't.

BIGWEENIE

December 9th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^

If Saban is so great what happened at MSU? Bama is clearly breaking a ton of rules and so are others. When a bunch of asshole's like Emmert are making tons of money they are not going to do anything. UCLA basketball, read Waltons book. They went after Tarkanian so hard because he was beating them at there own game. 

MarcusRay98

December 9th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^

Most great programs are cheating in some way .. Clemson, Ohio, Alabama then those teams who are terrible then pop up with a great recruiting class like a Ole Miss and have a good run ..The NCAA would hammer us if we did because we are such an arrogant school and fan base ... 

GoBlueNorth

December 9th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^

Why they don't go after Bama?  Because this would look stupid:

2008 - Florida

2009 - Vacated

2010 - Auburn

2011 - Vacated

2012 - Vacated

2013 - Florida State

2014 - Ohio State

2015 - Vacated

2016 - Clemson

2017 - Vacated

And even worse if they looked at the SEC.

WorldwideTJRob

December 9th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^

Heard this on a radio show and it rings so true...the hardest thing for people to say in sports is that “they are just better than us”. Once we start winning like Bama then we can complain why kids want to decommit from us and go there.

ScooterTooter

December 10th, 2018 at 11:00 AM ^

If you gave Harbaugh Saban's recruits from year one on, he'd be Nick Saban. 

Saban flamed out of the NFL. Harbaugh went to three straight NFC title games. 

Harbaugh built Stanford into a winning program from nothing. Saban basically held serve at MSU. 

There's plenty of evidence that Harbaugh is elite, but right now he's competing with one arm tied behind his back against the top four or five programs in country when it comes to recruiting. 

blomeup2day

December 9th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^

Dax was never coming to Michigan.  It’s not like Alabama just emerged on the scene as an option for his services. Choosing Michigan early on as a possible landing spot just made it possible for a better deal. Same goes for Gray. When both of these commitments happened it was a shock for them to choose Michigan. Dax could have chosen bama over the summer, why now?  More money. It’s called leverage.  You can always tell who’s truly committed to the class by how hard they are trying to recruit other players to join. Never noticed it with Dax or Gray. 

NateVolk

December 9th, 2018 at 6:50 PM ^

That's BS on Gray. You're just piling on being the typical "everything sucks"  fan on here.

Hill might have been playing us for a better deal. Or he might have exercised his right as a young person to choose the best path for his future. And to so choose late in the game. 

Michigan helped discover Gray for other big programs but he was no Hill in terms of cache.

People strangely act like the next player who changes his mind is part of some dark trend reflecting on the program rather than what it is: something that always happens in every class to basically every program. Often multiple times per class. 

 

 

Tuebor

December 9th, 2018 at 4:33 PM ^

Is it really cheating if the NCAA has no interest in enforcing the rules?

Shit OSU is only the 3rd worse offender in our division.  MSU and PSU protected serial rapsists/sexual abusers for decades and what was the punishment?  A slap on the wrist for PSU and nothing for MSU.

OSU did get one season vacated, but they let knowlingly ineligible players play in a bowl game if they promised to serve a suspension the next year.  What a joke.

I say do what ever it takes to win on the field and let the lawyers deal with the feckless NCAA

freelion

December 9th, 2018 at 4:57 PM ^

NCAA should have a separate division for the Alabamas and Ohio States who have no intention of playing by the rules. Let's not have a pretense of fair competition amongst student athletes for those schools.

Losher

December 9th, 2018 at 5:40 PM ^

Saban arrived in East Lansing, Michigan prior to the 1995 season. Michigan State had not had a winning season since 1990, and the team was sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations that were committed under his predecessor and former mentor, George Perles.

saban has been groomed to be a cheater his whole career basically. He doesnt stay anywhere long either. if things dont change youre going to watch the same 3/4 teams play for the playoffs every year and there is nothing fans can do about it unless you can get a giant boycott going and hit the ncaa where it hurts...their pockets

BenHogan1

December 9th, 2018 at 6:38 PM ^

Ah, the good ole' South where Bama and UGA are the SEC [division champs] in cheating.

Stir in a smattering of Oklahoma, Texas, FSU & a pinch of Clemson then add any school

Urban has or will ever coach at...

 

 

BlowGoo

December 9th, 2018 at 6:55 PM ^

It pains me so much to admit that with every season, it feels less like we're running a clean program and more like we're fighting with both hands tied behind our backs.

 

I wish the NCAA would do something progressive and productive.

MIGHTYMOJO91

December 9th, 2018 at 8:05 PM ^

STOP! This is absolutely useless fodder. So Bama flipped a recruit on UM. BFD. Can't blame the kid one bit. There is ONLY ONE cure for this......Get Better!  EVERY school cheats is some way. For those who think UM is squeaky clean...I don't know what to tell you, other than wake up and get a grip. UM is what it is, a good but not elite program. Until one can come to grips with this, then you are only setting yourself up for a big yearly letdown. Stupid post OP.

Michifornia

December 9th, 2018 at 10:06 PM ^

Michigan lost to osu.  We win that game and we wouldn't be searching around for other reasons to complain.  We had the players and the opportunity to win and be in the CFP.  Move on.

Sten Carlson

December 10th, 2018 at 12:23 AM ^

The University of Michigan takes a great deal of pride in all its athletes, especially its football team.   However, that pride is minuscule when compared to the pride that it takes in maintaining and furthering its reputation as one of the elite public universities of the world.  Can the same be said about the University of Alabama?  There’s only one thing that anyone in the state of Alabama cares about that’s winning football games.  

I’m am not naive enough to believe that Michigan doesn’t have ways to make Michigan athletes lives easier.  But, those are not “enticements” for an athlete as they’re the norm at every school and to be expected.  Michigan is unequivocally NOT using impermissible benefits, i.e., bagmen, cars, mama’s houses, hookers, etc., to entice elite players to play for the program — there is no way that the administration would stand for that kind of liability that could tarnish the reputation of the University.

We read about how clean Coach B runs the basketball program when the scandals broke out all across the nation, and I’m 100% certain Harbaugh runs a similarly clean program — that’s not only the men themselves, that is the directive from the University.  We saw what OSU stood for this summer.  Do you think for one minute that Schlissel would have done the same had Harbaugh transgressed similarly.  Not on your life!

Alabama is a football program that happens to have a university attached to it.  Alabama does not have any reputation to protect outside of their football program.  Time and again they — and other SEC programs — have shown the willingness to brazenly break the rules to further football success.  Has Michigan ever done the same?  People wrong their hands about recruiting on that level, or even OSU’s level, but it’s NEVER going to happen, just like in basketball, the elite prospects are all going for the benefits.  Michigan will get some, but never at that level.   

I know many disagree, but I spent a lot of time with a guy who is an Alabama booster and he told me unabashedly that he is one of the guys who sets all this up.   He said everyone in the SEC does it full on, except Vandy, but that nobody does it to the extent nor as well as Alabama, and schools like Michigan, Standord, Notre Damn, don’t do it at all.  I asked him about OSU and he said they were very much like an SEC program in that capacity (this was during Tressel’s tenure) but that the B10 is pretty clean — that’s why only OSU wins national championships.  As you might imagine, he had many not very PC things to say about the character and intelligence of many of the player, but that he couldn’t care less as long as they can play.  He actually seemed to think it was funny how little some of these kids could be bought for.  

 

I’m glad we’re not them.  But, his private jet was pretty cool.

 

emoran

December 11th, 2018 at 4:04 PM ^

Saban's a damn good coach but you aint going to tell me that someone with the personality of a toaster oven wins all these recruiting battles.. and i don't necessarily mean now, because they are now the same as Duke hoops, where the best kid wants to go there to help his chances of not only going pro bc he can do that Kansas State or V Tech, but of going lottery.. It's all the cheating it took to get to that point that matters. For Alabama to fall they are going to have to fail, slip up.. They still have to be very aggressive policing their program for violations to kill before anyone ever finds out.. But that's why a school in Tuscaloosa is idea for College Football cheating... It means so much to so many people that Alabama be #1 that there is a very good chance the first call made when a player assaults someone, DUI, steals something, drugs, rape, etc.. is Saban or his staff, not the police.. And the police is manned by people... chances are that most of those people also root for Alabama... and it really does mean more down there than anywhere in the US. He knew that in order to get to the point he was at today he would need resources, an admin that was driven by the same goal, and a community that supported the program so much that they wouldn't get in the way of what they were achieving. The trifecta. And to his credit he got to where he is at by being ruthless, smart, and taking chances. The NCAA is also complicit through their willingness to play stupid about it, not just at Alabama but pick an SEC school outside of the bottom 2,3 and you can be sure there are several major violations happening ever single day. No different than the ACC in hoops.