Alabama's long history of unpunished NCAA violations under Nick Saban

Submitted by Diagonal Blue on December 9th, 2018 at 12:06 PM

It's time to either pay the players or have powerful people in college football start talking and exposing Alabama and Nick for what they are because this is getting silly. College football isn't fun anymore. This is John Wooden/UCLA/Sam Gilbert all over again. You can't sign the #1 recruiting class every year for a decade and not be breaking the rules. Yes, success begets success and kids want to play for a winner, but it defies logic how a coach who went 6-6, 6-5, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2, 8-4, 10-3, 8-5, 13-1, 9-3, and then bombed in the NFL showed up at a school with a long history of NCAA infraction cases who wasn't relevant for a decade and turned them into the greatest powerhouse in the history of CFB overnight. Now NCAA president Mark Emmert was the chancellor at LSU who hired Saban and he's allowed him to operate brazenly and with full immunity since. 

Alabama has 24 commits right now, 23 of them are 4 or 5 stars. They are going to land at least 4-5 more 5 stars if current recruiting intel holds. This is a monopoly of talent never seen in CFB before, and anyone who thinks they are doing this above board is out of their mind. These are just a few of the stories that have trickled into the public over the years under Saban. Mind you this is just the tip of the iceberg.

The have a car program:

https://247sports.com/college/usc/Board/29/Contents/Alabamas-Recruiting-Dominance-Continues-Wow-50860219/

Their players accept money from runners:

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- Five Southeastern Conference football players, including former Alabama All-American tackle D.J. Fluker, allegedly received impermissible benefits prior to completing their collegiate careers. According to a Yahoo! Sports report, former Alabama defensive end Luther Davis acted as an intermediary between the players and multiple NFL agents and financial advisers. The report says Davis funneled money and benefits totaling $45,500 to Fluker, Tennessee starting defensive end Maurice Couch, former Volunteers quarterback Tyler Bray, and former Mississippi State playersFletcher Cox and Chad Bumphis. The allegations would violate NCAA bylaw 12.3.1.2, which prohibits athletes from receiving extra benefits from prospective agents or marketing representatives. The violation could impact Fluker's eligibility and potentially the Alabama wins he participated in, including the 2012 Discover BCS National Championship. A second Yahoo! Sports report alleges that former Alabama safety Mark Barron accepted money while he was recovering from a shoulder injury as a junior in 2011 that kept him from declaring for the NFL draft. Text messages obtained by the website show that Barron was asked to repay money after signing with a competing sports agency. Alabama coach Nick Saban said Wednesday he supports the school's compliance department and then refused to answer further questions on the matter.

They've been accused of paying players by NFL agents:

Sports agent Ralph Cindrich was asked about the harsh penalties the NCAA brought down on Penn State and whether he agreed with them or not. He did hammer the NCAA for their decision making, calling NCAA president Mark Emmert a “bozo”, but he sidetracked, accusing Alabama coach Nick Saban of cheating. Cindrich was asked who is monitoring the NCAA, and he had the following to say: “That’s a very good question,” he said. “No one’s watching them. You want to know who’s watching them? Nick Saban. You want to trust Nick Saban? I have enough on Saban right now – and I realize this stuff gets out, and I also realize the truth is a defense. I know what goes on in college football, so cut me a break. …” “Everybody has something on Nick Saban, for God’s sake,” Cindrich said. “And if he has a problem with anything I say, come on after me, big guy.” Cindrich was then asked if Alabama players are paid to play football for the Tide. “Oh come on. “When you get these guys down and you get them under oath, they’ll tell you that. Sure. The statute of limitations has probably run as far as any criminality was involved to what I was relating to Saban, but I was involved in it. I know what he tried to do. I know what he tried to cover up. If he wants to stand up and say something, I’ll bring that up. If it’s out of time, I’ll go to the nearest agent I know, and I’ll bring up about a dozen things that are in time, because that’s the way he and most of the big-time schools, particularly in the SEC, operate.“

Other coaches in college football think he's cheating:

"If you had the No. 1 recruiting class in the country every year [you'd win like Nick Saban]," an anonymous coach told Chip Patterson of CBSSports.com. "He shows up at every single game with a better roster than the teams he's playing." If you count cheating and getting the best players in the country as part of running a program, he's the best in the country," the coach added. "It's like saying an NFL coach is the best coach in the league if he gets 25 first-round picks every year."

Their players have taken money from coaches on staff:

Back in the old days – say 2011 – the University of Alabama might be nervous after another report of a star player receiving an extra benefit in violation of NCAA rules. 
On Thursday, it was word from TideSports.com that assistant strength and conditioning coach Corey Harris was placed on administrative leave for providing a loan over the summer to star safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. The report also says Harris was found by the Alabama compliance department to have ties to a sports agent. It was just Wednesday that Clinton-Dix was suspended indefinitely for an undisclosed violation of team rules. These aren't outside allegations. These are the conclusions of the school itself. This comes on the heels of last month's Yahoo! Sports detailed story about how former player Luther Davis had ties to sports agents and financial planners and provided a series of "impermissible benefits" to star lineman D.J. Fluker, now of the San Diego Chargers, among other SEC players. The school is looking into that one. That's smoke from two sports agent stories on top of each other, one coming from a currently employed staff member. Predicting the actions of the ever-unpredictable NCAA is always fraught with danger. But back when the NCAA had a full, aggressive enforcement staff, when it still liked flexing its muscles, when it wasn't under such assault from lawyers and the public alike – you know a couple years ago – it stands to reason it would've sent a team to Tuscaloosa, Ala., to take a look at the Crimson Tide. 

Their players have been accused of taking banned NCAA substances:

A number of players from the 2012 national championship Alabama football team reportedly used the same deer-antler spray that Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis allegedly used this season. The spray contains IGF-1, a substance banned by the NFL and NCAA. Christopher Key, co-owner of the company that provides the spray, toldESPN's Joe Schad on Wednesday that he sold the bottles to Alabama's players and personally witnessed five of them spray it in their mouths. The company, Sports with Alternatives to Steroids, or "S.W.A.T.T." is based in Alabama and Key said he sold approximately 40 bottles in total to members of Alabama's football team; 20 of those bottles were purchased by players at a New Orleans hotel room as the team prepared for the BCS national championship game against LSU last year, and then another 20 bottles were sold to members of the team at the apartment of an Alabama player 10 days before the nationally televised game.

Their players associate with agents:

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- University of Alabama officials are investigating whether junior defensive lineman Marcell Dareus broke NCAA rules by attending an agent's party in Miami's South Beach earlier this summer, multiple sources told ESPN.com. Dareus, ranked as the No. 7 prospect for the 2011 NFL draft by ESPN analyst Mel Kiper, is the latest prominent college football player to be entangled in an evolving NCAA investigation into illegal contact and conduct by sports agents. "Our [university] compliance people are looking into it," Alabama coach Nick Saban said. Sources told ESPN last week that NCAA investigators have interviewed North Carolina players, including defensive end Marvin Austin, about attending the party. South Carolina tight end Weslye Saunders also confirmed to ESPN on Sunday that he recently spoke with NCAA investigators about the same party. 
The NCAA is trying to determine who paid for the players' transportation to Miami, and lodging, food and entertainment while they were there. 

They had a huge memorabilia scandal:

A report alleging NCAA violations involving memorabilia by Alabama players being sold by a Tuscaloosa, Ala., store owner drew a response Thursday night from Alabama director of athletics Bill Battle, as well as a vehement denial from Tom Al-Betar, owner of T-Town Menswear and T-Town Gallery. The story alleges that current Alabama players, including stars Julion Jones, Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson, AJ McCarron, T.J. Yeldon and Amari Cooper, are autographing memorabilia that they know is being sold, an NCAA violation, and potentially profiting from it, as well. It's not the first time Al-Betar has faced the allegation from outkickthecoverage.com, and Alabama sent the booster a formal letter of disassociation by the UA compliance department in 2011. Reached by cbssports.com Thursday, Al-Betar defended his actions, saying that the memorabilia in his shop signed by current players is being brought in by fans."They don't belong to no football players," Al-Betar said. "They sign it over there and they will come here. Most every year they do the same thing." Photos from the shop's Facebook page, however, depicted both current and graduated players signing items in the store, although outkickthecoverage.com provided no evidence of payments to players. It may be up to the NCAA at some point to decide what it all means. On Monday, the T-Town Menswear Facebook page, the source of many of the photos of Albetar and the players, no longer existed. A Twitter message from @ttownmenswear said, "T-Town Menswear is in the process of setting up a new web site, blog and more! Stay tuned for more info."

Their coaches have committed NCAA recruiting violations:

Alabama won't face any further punishment stemming from former Crimson Tide defensive line coach Bo Davis' NCAA violations, the NCAA announced Friday morning. Davis received a two-year show-cause penalty that will be in effect through April 13, 2019. It's a significant punishment that stems from the violations that led to Davis being fired by Alabama last April. According to the NCAA, Davis knowingly committed a recruiting violation when he took part in an impermissible meeting with four prospective recruits that was pre-arranged by a booster. Davis then provided false or misleading information about the meeting and the booster's involvement when questioned by Alabama and the NCAA, according to the NCAA.

So yeah, what's the point of trying to compete if the playing field isn't level. College football isn't fun anymore and it's because the NCAA has allowed Alabama and Nick Saban to monopolize talent in a way that's never happened in the history of the sport. A sport that is almost assuredly as dirty as college basketball.

The bureau was investigating an individual for Security and Exchange Commission violations who was allegedly funneling money to players. That sort of plea-deal whistleblower doesn't exist in college football. Yet. "It's probably manifested itself in football in a slightly different way," said a former NCAA official familiar with the enforcement process. "… You have the same incentive [to cheat], if not moreso, because of the value of a head coaching job at top level of football. "I have no doubt [the same level of cheating] is happening."

BlueMarrow

December 9th, 2018 at 12:25 PM ^

An associate of mine for over 40 years, who once a long standing director of the alumni association of an prominent SEC football school told me the following as the Cam Newton stories came out:

Everyone knows what's going on. The individuals and entities that are at a disadvantage don't like it, but they can't stop it. Those with the advantage basically gave the NCAA the middle finger and said "We will try to be more careful, but you can't take us down without destroying the game as we know it." 

Everyone looks the other way, mostly because they don't want to injure the goose that's laying the golden eggs. Some, especially those doing home visits who see where some of these kids have grown up and still excelled, are glad to help the families out, and feel like they should be getting more for their entertainment services.

The genie has been out of the bottle for a long time. There's no going back. What would happen is the formation of a "semi-pro" or "developmental" league which would drain talent from the current NCAA show.

 

Eng1980

December 9th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

Agree.  I will always be a shade bitter that TCU gets the death penalty and Alabama is next and then magically, the death penalty goes away.  I have read a few biographies of coaches and players and the common story is that Alabama and SEC have ALWAYS cheated around NCAA rules with the justification being that they just want to play football without outside interference.  I will throw USC in there as a continual cheater.  Bo said he passed on A&M for a variety of reasons and one of the stated reasons is that they cheat down there.

ScooterTooter

December 9th, 2018 at 12:30 PM ^

Are you honestly this dumb? 

This isn't just about Dax Hill, who probably would be coming to Michigan if the results had been better in the Ohio State game. 

But what might have made the results batter...better recruits right? A 5-star CB instead of Brandon Watson right? A 5-star LB instead of Devin Gil right? 

What might have enticed a player like that to Michigan? 

I dunno, maybe funneling six-figures to those guys right? 

You get what this has to do with Dax Hill now? 

ScooterTooter

December 9th, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^

You really are this dumb. 

Yes, Daxton Hill might be the reason for the timing of this thread. 

But all of your posts miss the point of WHY Alabama was able to pull Daxton Hill from Michigan. And there's no point in arguing further.

You'll just drool and bang your head against the table and then breathe out "saban, good playoff. harbaugh, bad peach. dax hill, coin see dense" no matter how many times its explained to you. 

 

Ger Sauden

December 9th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^

You think Nick Saban would tolerate Pep Hamilton scoring zero in the 3rd qtr against his biggest rival? Or the bad job Greg Frey was doing last year? And would he even have wanted Pep Hamilton and Greg Frey on his staff in the first place?

 

And yes, this posting today is all about Daxton Hill. If Daxton Hill did not flip yesterday we would not be seeing this post today.

Honk if Ufer M…

December 9th, 2018 at 7:19 PM ^

What is it that you think it MEANS that we wouldn't be having this convo right at this moment if it weren't for the flip? What is your point? How does that invalidate anything? You need to improve your reasoning and critical thinking skills and stop worrying about what Harbaugh has to improve. Harbaugh could turn into the greatest coach of all time in all sports tomorrow and it wouldn't improve your blithering idiocy a whit nor an iota. If you work really hard at improving your mind you might be able to work your way up to plain old regular idiocy.

 

 

goblue4321

December 9th, 2018 at 12:36 PM ^

If harbaugh beat osu and win big ten guarantee we still get Dax hill and Harrison and maybe someone else out of no where, so forget all the money that floats around I guarantee all the schools give stuff, gotta win the big games and bama does and M doesn’t, end of story 

rice4114

December 9th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

6-6, 6-5, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2, 8-4, 10-3, 8-5, 13-1, 9-3

if we had a coach with that record he would be gone at the end of year 3. If not year 4. Keep those first 4 years in mind when you think its hopeless under Harbaugh. Harbaughs first 8 of 9 seasons look better than Nick Saban. Chin up yall. 

Ghost of Fritz…

December 9th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

Great work collecting this information.

Alabama cheating is obvious to all, except those who don't want to believe it could be true.  Yes Saban is one of the all time great CFB coaches.  But that alone did not produce the best run in the history of CFB. 

One problem, however, is that most top programs, including Michigan, also have at least some moderate level of impermissible benefits going on too, although in a much less organized, systematized, efficient, and institutional way. 

So it becomes hard for a school like Michigan to rat out the most egregious rule violators.  OTOH, if Michigan were 100% clean it would be even harder to get to 10-2.

And the NCAA does not care very much because the TV ratings are huge and the money keeps rolling in.  Why tarnish the brand by exposing the biggest winners as the biggest cheaters?  Not good for the bottom line. 

Nofx1728

December 9th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^

Recruiting pitch: Dax u want to come to Alabama and guarantee playing for a national championship every year you are here. Competing against the best competition in practice every day and guaranteeing an nfl spot...

or... do u want to sign with Michigan and guarantee losing the last game of every season and never winning any type of championship?

Durham Blue

December 9th, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^

Fuck no, you enlist the help of boosters to get those first few killer classes.  Then the winning starts.  And the machine starts moving.  Someone else pointed out that Saban landed the #1 class at Bama following an early (in his tenure) 7-6 season.  Yeah, how in the fuck does that happen?  That never happens.  Oh, because Alabama at that time was so appealing?  No more appealing than any other blue blood SEC, B1G or Pac12 school.  Saban was a gypsy coach at a hillbilly school.  A coach that failed at MSU, had Lloyd Carr level success (being generous) at LSU, and failed in the NFL.  And all of a sudden he has more 4- and 5-star players than he knows what to do with.  Too perfect, man.  Too perfect.

MadMatt

December 9th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^

Here's a thought. Why doesn't Michigan start a truth and reconciliation program. Convince all the Wolverines who have moved on from the University to spill all the beans about all the "extra benefits" they were offered and accepted. Including from U of M. We've read the interview with Devin Gardner where he referenced all the backsheesh he was offered to flip on Michigan.  OK, out with all of it.  Hire a prestigious law firm, sworn depositions. I'm willing to bet Michigan's infractions will pale by comparison, and the NCAA will be unable to silence or single us out.

ScooterTooter

December 9th, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^

Why do you think they are so good? 

Its because they have really good players right?

How do you think they started acquiring those players before they were the current version of Alabama? You know, when they were 7-6 under Nick Saban with a loss to Louisiana-Monroe?

You know, when they were third in the fucking country according to the composite, including 3 5-star and 21 4-star players? 

 

SouthOfHeaven

December 9th, 2018 at 1:41 PM ^

I'm not doubting one bit that they cheat down there. I just find it really hard to care right now. Alabama will concern us if we can put an end to the annual shitshow that we have the last game of the regular season. Until then, caring about Alabama is like the inhabitants of a northern Canadian village caring about sexy beachwear.

sdogg1m

December 9th, 2018 at 1:09 PM ^

After reading through three pages of thoughts on bagmen, I am astounded.

Arguments were presented as follows:

1) If cheating was rampant then you would hear about it more
2) Michigan has bagmen too
3) Alabama offers the chance to win championships and go to the NFL
4) We gave up 62 points to OSU

First, cheating IS rampant. We learned of a federal investigation this summer of involvement by Adidas (A major US company) to funnel players via payment to specific programs. This had gone on for YEARS without any of those players saying a word. North Carolina was delivering paper classes for decades to players. I could go on but it is stupid to think programs don't cheat because "if they did players would talk."

Second, Michigan does not have bag men. If Michigan did then Alabama couldn't touch them. Yeah Alabama would get some prized recruits but Michigan would be ranked #1 in recruiting if they decided to pay players. We don't and that is why we lose players like Laquon Treadwell not to Alabama but to Ole Miss.

Third, Michigan offers players just as much a chance to succeed and move onto the NFL as Alabama. Michigan is one of the few programs that can boast of a coach who has succeeded in both leagues and has a brother currently coaching in the league. Yeah Nick Saban has National Championships in a format that is tilted toward blue blood programs but he failed in a league that has parity. This is not to say that Saban is a horrible coach but to say that Harbaugh is a better one (anyone who thinks that Harbaugh can't win National Championships with Bama's talent is a fool).

Last, the 62 points given up to OSU hurts in the short term. Michigan just needs a win or two over OSU to start and then more of those five star athletes will come. Michigan had an amazing class after winning the 97 national title and would have had a second NC in 99 if it weren't for Drew Henson. Michigan gets to one playoff then their star will rise. No they are not a tier 2 program, they just have a lot of negative publicity because of the need to dig out of a hole caused from two bad coaching hires.

The last game sucked but Michigan with Jim Harbaugh will win championships.

 

uminks

December 9th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^

I would not rule out winning some B1G championships down the road for Michigan. But it is difficult to lose just one game and win your conference and then there is no guarantee that you make the playoffs. Until the playoffs are expanded to 8 teams, I think it will be difficult for Michigan to go undefeated or lose just once and win the conference and make the playoffs. And even if we do make the playoffs the odds for us to win a national championship will be difficult until we can match the recruiting of AL, Clemson and OSU.  But overall, I like the job Harbaugh is doing. I don't mind wining 10 or more games per season. I just hope Harbaugh can start defeating OSU. Next season will be a fine opportunity for Harbaugh to beat OSU at home with Shea or Dylan as the QB. We may only win 9 games next year but if one of them could be against OSU, that would be great.

ScooterTooter

December 9th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^

Of course Michigan CAN win. 

They were right there in 2016, until they were half-cheated/half-bumblefucked their way to a loss. 

Penn State lucked their way into a title in 2016.

Michigan State did the same in 2015. 

But its a lot easier to compete year after year if you have top level players. And Michigan will lag there because they don't pay on the same level that Alabama and Ohio State do. 

Philski

December 9th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^

Good story. Totally agree. Gotta level the playing field. In addition to all the under the table stuff this program simply has warm weather, women and an a program set up for elite players that don’t give a shit about academics. Tuscaloosa is more of a minor league football training facility than an academic institution. It’s a joke. Most of these young kids want sun, pussy and the fastest way to the NFL. Nothing else. Academics are not part of the equation down there. We’re behind the 8 ball before we ever play the game. The so called elite programs(Clemson OSU and now Georgia) are running similar football factories where academics are way down on the priority pole. Only way it will end is if university AD’s and Presidents decide enough is enough. Boycott bowl games. Refuse to play them. Fuck the SEC. Let em play each other and rot down there. It’s not right and it shouldn’t be tolerated to require one player to do double work(academics/football) while the other guy works only on his game so he can get to the league. 

Mongo

December 9th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

Well done.  Just need to get the FBI involved like basketball.  When a federal agent shows up at Saban's office, things will change.

bronxblue

December 9th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

Michigan has stuff like this too.  Obviously not to the ame degree, but the faux moral superiority here is insane.

Here's an idea - let schools play players above board.  Let then get money for their likenesses in college.  See what happens to a mediocre college in one of the worst states in America has to join the free market of sports.  

Saban is a good college coach.  He wins games as much because of how he deploys talent as he does recruit it.  But if you put the money on the table and let, say, big money programs like ND, USC, UM, Texas, etc. spend their money they'd be in a better spot than trying to out-sneak a school that has had dozens of games removed from their record because of outright cheating.

BroadneckBlue21

December 9th, 2018 at 1:41 PM ^

They don’t have the best coaches, because plenty have flopped at other places. They have the most elite payers by a landslide. They are beatable by great coaches with near similar talent. Michigan is improving its across the board talent every year. It sucks that Dax Hill committed late, and bailed fairly quickly.

Ger Sauden

December 9th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^

Hopefully more confirmation bias like this will be posted.  (sarcasm)

 

Because lots folks having trouble coping with Daxton Hill flipping. (obviously not sarcasm)

Crootin

December 9th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^

People on this board seem to think being the "Leaders and Best" means quietly doing things the right way.  Why can't Michigan lead the fight against NCAA corruption?  Do some investigative journalism.  Hire a professor who teaches a course on the history of "amateur" athletics with the final projects being independent investigations of social media and NCAA violations. 

Or lead the fight to get players paid legally?  We have a great journalism school and law school.

I don't know what to do precisely, but sitting around and "doing things the right way" isn't LEADING.  We're handing our hundred dollar bills to recruits while other schools are paying for cars, hookers, and tens of thousands of dollars.  The NCAA is a complete joke and has ushered in another era of unchecked scandal ala SMU, Miami, Oklahoma, etc.  Time to take a stand as an athletic department and University.

WolverineHistorian

December 9th, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^

This kind of reminds me of USC. Before Pete Carroll arrived, the Trojans were so awful they were openly mocked in the media, often referred to as SC Community College. Once Carroll arrived, it took just one year to go from unranked to the top 5 and then national title contention every year after. You couldn't help but raise an eyebrow over how quickly this happened. We know how that eventually turned out. There's no way in hell Alabama is on the up and up here either. And that's concerning because their success has been even more dominant and this repeated script got old years ago. Your football juices are burning in late August and then you watch Alabama in week one and you already know at that moment they're going all the way. Alabama has sucked a ton of fun out of college football as a whole. And Saban is so beloved by every aspect of the media that I'm sure they would assist Bama in hiding the bodies before they would ever have another Pete Carroll fallout.