November 29th, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^
Cliff Clavin to Michigan OC
November 29th, 2018 at 3:43 PM ^
Stormin’ Norman Peterson as RB coach?
November 29th, 2018 at 4:53 PM ^
Moonglow
November 29th, 2018 at 6:55 PM ^
His curse would be always knowing where to place the TE.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:59 PM ^
Nice try Antoine, we know your real identity "Norm"
November 29th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
I think he's already here, man....
November 29th, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^
Damn.
We should Hire Rich Rod for OC. Could you imagine his offense here.
/s (well maybe half serious).
November 29th, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^
To be honest, RR's offense sort of sucked. It was three and out or a TD. It put up amazing numbers versus weak competition and then couldn't move the ball at all against a good defense. If it weren't for Denard's legs RR would have lost even more games.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:28 PM ^
It totally sucked. Look at the OSU scores during his tenure.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:31 PM ^
I'll bite. What was the problem with RichRod's offense? Also, what kind of offense is effective regardless of how good the opposing team's defense is? Does (say) Manball work well against Alabama?
Hey -- the RichRod experience sucked on many levels. But, if the spread was lousy it wouldn't be so popular.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^
It was one dimensional--no passing game. Also, trying to run the ball on every down in the Big Ten with sub-300lb. o-lineman.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^
" sub-300lb. o-lineman. "
The only undersized OL was Dave Molk, who played pretty well. Size doesn't make you a good player. This isn't sumo.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:47 PM ^
Every undersized sumo wrestler that wins with technique just said hello. Seriously though, sumo is a lot like playing lineman in football. Size helps and you have to be at least a certain size, but after that, it's very much about technique and quickness.
November 29th, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^
If I learned anything from Gene Hackman in the Replacements it’s that Sumo wrestling and offensive line play are exactly alike. That, and don’t be a duck.
November 29th, 2018 at 11:13 PM ^
Except I regularly watched Big Ten teams cave our line. People seem to think every game was 55-50 or something.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^
Denard threw for 2000 and ran for 2000...
November 29th, 2018 at 8:36 PM ^
That is crazy ass shit when you think about it in the context of the offense the past two seasons. We all celebrated Higdon's 1000 yard season. And Patterson being a huge upgrade. Denard bested them both by quite a ways.
November 29th, 2018 at 11:10 PM ^
In 2010 he threw for 2570 yards. That was good for 7th in the Big Ten. In 2011 he threw for 2173, which was good for 5th. In 2010 he rushed for for 1702 yards. That was good for 2nd...in the NCAA. I love Denard as much or more than anyone here. I used to see him around campus and he was electric just hangin. But he did not have arm talent. That's why he got drafted as an wr/rb. But he was one of the best running quarterbacks I've even seen. His vision when he ran...maybe 2nd to none. And jets for legs.
November 29th, 2018 at 5:36 PM ^
You realize as a sophomore Denard passed for more yards than Michigan did this year and averaged more yards per attempt despite not having the talent at WR that we had this year. Why let facts get in the way when posting on the internet. That's very rare
November 29th, 2018 at 11:00 PM ^
Yeah, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THROW IT ENOUGH THIS YEAR.
How often did Patterson break 200 yards? What a silly point to make.
November 29th, 2018 at 11:26 PM ^
Silly point? You said it was a one dimensional O. I didn't even include Tate's 600 yards or Devin's 85. They did that while also rushing for more yards than this year's team. This year's version is going to need about 1200 yards in the bowl game to equal that one dimensional O's output.
November 29th, 2018 at 11:40 PM ^
It's a silly point because you're comparing the Rich Rod teams to this years offense as an argument that the Rich Rod offense wasn't one dimensional. But we've run the ball like 65% of the time this year. This year's offense is far too one dimensional so that's a pointless comparison. I'm not sure how you could've watched the Rich Rod teams play and think we had an effective passing game. That offense was hindered by the inability to do that.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
There are different types of spread offense.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:11 PM ^
Very true. I'd rather have a Urban Meyer type spread rather than RR. To be honest, I think RR's spread got largely downloaded by the end. We didn't do much against MSU or OSU, and that was after going all in on offense.
So, as I've stated before, I"m rather scheme agnostic. I'd like an offense that can shift into different phases. Maybe a base spread, with power elements when needed to control the clock and some read option from time to time. I'm willing to vary the percentage of what we do based on our opponent and our talent.
What I *DO NOT WANT* is a ______ Zealot. I don't want a guy who says he wants to have pure manball, pure read option, pure spread, pure.... and RR is too close to that pure ideology to make me comfortable.
That, and do we really want someone fired after sexual harassment claims?
November 29th, 2018 at 6:34 PM ^
No, I would hope they be fired before they can sexually harass anyone
November 29th, 2018 at 7:05 PM ^
RR's teams averaged almost 20 points a game against MSU while Hoke's team averaged 10. RR's team scored 21 with Sherideath at QB. Largely ineffective against OSU averaging only 8 though.
November 29th, 2018 at 8:34 PM ^
Correct. There is no reason why we couldn't mix running and passing spread concepts in with the power/manball/pro style stuff. It would make the offense more difficult to defend, which would be nice, and really the job of the OC.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^
The world of college football caught up with RR's offense many many years ago. Now it is more the norm than the new super cool scheme that no one can stop.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:44 PM ^
Rich rods version sucked. QBs got killed and never made it through the season.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:57 PM ^
There were a number of problems with RR's offense:
1. The RR zone read spread was largely unstoppable when RR rode it to success at WVa with Pat White as QB. Unfortunately, like any other offensive innovation, eventually defenses catch up and you have to continue to develop and evolve. RR didn't.
2. RR's offenses really downplayed the passing element, and focused heavily upon running the ball. The problem with that is that RR was unable to bring in (and largely, did not target) the big boy OL, and instead favored smaller, faster linemen. When you go up against Wisconsin, MSU (recent vintage), OSU, PSU, ND, etc., you need to be able to stack up in the trenches.
While you say that the "spread" is very popular, the spread can have many forms. There are countless versions of the spread. There are passing spreads, zone read spreads, pistol spreads, the type of "pro style" spread that the Patriots run, the spread that Lloyd Carr used in his last game to shred Urban Meyer's defending national champion Gators, etc/ Nobody has ever said that the spread doesn't work in the Big Ten. It's that Rich Rod's style of offense was not well suited. Also, having sat through every single game of that era, it is 100% true that RR's offense put up video game numbers against weaker teams, and completely failed to even move the ball against teams with a pulse.
November 29th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^
DRob is splashed all over Michigan's passing record books because of Rich Rods offense. He did it under RR and in Hoke's first year, which is all RR offense. His game tailed off as Hoke went to more and more pro-set - massively misusing both DRob and Devin Gardner.
November 29th, 2018 at 7:01 PM ^
I was as big of a fan as Denard Robinson is anybody. That said, if you look at what made up those record passing seasons, the nard would pass for a metric ton against crappy defenses and could not move the ball against the better defense is that we played.
Not remotely trying to rip on Denard. He was a unique talent and he paired very well with Rich Rod’s system. My critique is more of the system and then Denard.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^
It sucked so bad that Urban Meyer went to RR to learn it.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:48 PM ^
And figured out how to do it against big boy schools.
Does no one remember how badly this sucked against competitive teams?
November 29th, 2018 at 4:38 PM ^
For the lazy, in his three years at Michigan, Rich Rod scored 7, 10, and 7 points in 2008, 2009, and 2010 against Ohio State.
November 29th, 2018 at 5:25 PM ^
Ok, then can we just put Denard on this team?
November 29th, 2018 at 5:26 PM ^
It put up amazing numbers versus weak competition and then couldn't move the ball at all against a good defense.
That's weird. You just described this past season too.
November 29th, 2018 at 8:55 PM ^
What was our highest score this year? It’s not like we put up 70 on Rutgers.
December 4th, 2018 at 5:28 PM ^
Our three lowest games were NW (20), MSU (21) and ND (24). If you add in our missed FGs, those aren't low scores. (307, 376 and 395 for yards respectively.) You don't have a point.
November 29th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
Couldn't the same have been said for Hoke's only good season?
November 29th, 2018 at 6:25 PM ^
I would argue our defense was always the issue once our offense got going.
take a look at 2010
Total Offense- 9
Passing- 33
Rushing 13
Receiving- 33
Compared to 2018
Total offense - 41
Passing- 83
Rushing- 25
Refieving- 83
The Rich Rod years were terrible. Never want to repeat that darkness again but to say his offense wasn’t good is not very accurate. We all know the defense was just atrocious.
The past couple years our defense has saved our offense way more than manball has helped.
There have been a plethora of threads regarding our need to adapt to a newer offense.
(Stats courtesy of ESPN. On phone or I would try copy and pasting).
November 29th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^
Rich Rod may never get another P5 Gig anywhere whether HC or OC; he's got some serious baggage now.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
That got me thinkin’ - was Dave Brandon right hiring a spread guy? Did Brandon have the right idea, but just the wrong guy when he hired RR?
November 29th, 2018 at 3:40 PM ^
Dave Brandon didn't hire a spread guy. He hired Hoke.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:40 PM ^
DB didn't hire RichRod.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^
Dave Brandon didn't hire Rich Rod. That would be Bill Martin.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
Brandon hired Hoke. Bill Martin hired RR. That coaching search was well documented. You may find it interesting reading.
RR wasn't his first choice and wasn't on the market at all until late in the process. The first guys they approached weren't known for running new fangled offenses; Ferentz and Greg Schiano. They were about as close to Carr's philosophy as you could find.
November 29th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^
Solid effort, troll.
November 29th, 2018 at 4:15 PM ^
Dave Brandon hired Brady Hoke. Bill Martin hired Rich Rodriguez because that's the sort of hire one makes when he can't be bothered on his fucking yacht.