Offensive personnel breakdown vs OSU

Submitted by Diagonal Blue on November 27th, 2018 at 12:24 PM

From a poster on 247:

Here's the personnel breakdown from Saturday:

11 personnel - 58% of all snaps for 348 yards. 62% pass & 38% run. 
12 personnel - 31% of all snaps for 45 yards. 71% run & 29% pass. 
21 personnel - 6% of all snaps for 2 yards. 20% pass & 80% run. 
13 personnel - 4% of all snaps for 5 yards. 67% pass & 33% run. 
32 personnel - 1% of all snaps for 1 yards. 100% run (for a TD).

In other words,  42% of our offensive snaps generated only 53 yards. OSU could not stop Michigan when they were in 11 personnel. 

There's also this:

Michigan ran the ball between the tackles 20 times Saturday, for 3.2 yards per carry (and that includes a 15-yard QB draw). When they attacked the edges, they averaged 5.9 yards per carry.

— Michael Spath (@MichaelSpathITH) November 26, 2018

MGoJunTT

November 27th, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^

That is exactly our problem. A “michigan man” has to coach a “michigan way.” That means 2 tight ends and fullbacks. Does any other program honor a head coach that never won a national championship, went 5-12 in bowls and 2-10 in the rose bowl? Crazy to me we still play football his way in 2018. Until Michigan moves on from Bo, they wont win anuthing meaningful.

jbrandimore

November 27th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^

I think in a way Michigan was so fucking arrogant in their game plan that they thought they were above looking at OSU film.

To me, OSU's defensive strength is their DTs. We ran right at them most of the day - to little effect.

We also allowed Harrison to run downhill all day when anyone that has watched him knows that if you misdirection him even a little he lives to overrun plays and charge into the wrong gaps.

We made it as easy for Harrison as we make it for Haskins.

The Fan in Fargo

November 27th, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^

No buckeyjongross, it's because your psycho fan base and team only care and come to play for one game of the year. Even you fans only come to cheer for that game too. I watch the games. I don't see any of you yups at games in East Lansing or whatever town Penn State plays in. Oh but come time for a game in Ann Arbor, there's every red coat wearing jackass on that side of the Mississippi. Make no mistake, your fan base and team will go back to the abyss. It is your destiny.

HarbaughsDaddy

November 27th, 2018 at 1:59 PM ^

Are you wearing the same blindfold brand as Don Brown when looking for OSU fans? Just 1 of about 100 "fan travel polls" that have the Buckeye traveling better than most. 

That being said, you guys were ranked #4 on this list... but it was all about filling your own seats. 

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The Mad Hatter

November 27th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^

That's why they keep beating us.  They'd rather drop a random game to Purdue if it meant beating Michigan.  They train for us all winter, and spring, and summer, and fall.  They devote time to The Game every week.  Their tackling dummies wear our colors. They have a countdown clock that reset for next year right after they finished pounding our asses into mud holes.

We used to do the same thing back when we beat them more often than not. 

Next year we need to focus on them like they do us, even if it means dropping a game against PSU or whomever because we were preparing for Ohio.

PopeLando

November 27th, 2018 at 12:51 PM ^

My conclusions:

1. The pass game was fucking working. "Pass to set up the run" is a completely valid philosophy if you have a QB (we do) and WRs (we do).

2. Whenever Michigan took a WR off the field, OSU could tee up against a run.

3. Going heavy does not work against an elite DL.

4. Whoever did most of the playcalling (my guess is Pep based on how little Harbaugh has had his nose in a play sheet) did NOT understand how the game was going.

markusr2007

November 27th, 2018 at 1:02 PM ^

I am convinced that Michigan's receivers were not doing enough to get open against the OSU secondary.  That has been a problem all year long.  And that's frustrating because of who the WR coach is, and given the talent level of Collins, Black and People-Jones plus the senior "TE with the untimely dropsies" and a mobile Shea Patterson scrambling around - that's all extremely difficult to defend even on a good day.

Michigan played flat from the get-go in this game. And nothing demonstrated this DeBordian approach better than last Saturday's playcalling by Pep Hamilton.

The good news is that there is no fucking way Harbaugh can look back at the last four losses to Ohio State COMBINED with this recent 23 point shellacking and believe things can continue just as they have. 

The defense gave up 62 points because the offense refused to do what it does all year - imposes its will along the line of scrimmage, sustain long drives, convert on 3rd downs, score TDs and dominate TOP.

Harbaugh's traditional manball philosophy can definitely work. But you do need superior OL talent and experience across the board.  I think next year Michigan returns everybody across the front 5, and will probably have the best and most experienced OL in the league, if not the country.  The thing Michigan missed this on year was TEs that could catch and block reliably. McKeon and Gentry were both consistently subpar in both departments.

 

Ron Utah

November 27th, 2018 at 1:07 PM ^

The inside runs did not bother me as much as the unwillingness to spread the field and use our match-up advantages at WR (which likely would have opened-up the middle more for runs).

freelion

November 27th, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^

What a miserable coaching failure. OSU's defensive weaknesses coming in were secondary and edge rushing. That's why 3 WR sets and edge running worked well. We should have exploited that weakness until they stopped like they did to our defense.

Fire Pep!

MGoCarolinaBlue

November 27th, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^

Yardage is only a distorted part of the story, since the results are affected by the tendency to trot out tight ends and fullbacks in short yardage situations. It's much better to separate out explosiveness and success rate instead of looking at overall yardage or yards per play.

Success rate is defined based on the definition of a "successful" play:

On first down, a successful play gets at least 40% of necessary yards for a first down.
On second down, a successful play gets at least 60% of necessary yards for a first down.
On third and fourth downs, a successful plays 100% of necessary yards for a first down.

Ideally, you'd want to then break down success rate and explosiveness by personnel grouping as well as (bucketed) down and distance.

Then you can point out (made up trend but an example of how this would be useful) "Michigan's 12 package is less successful on 2nd down and long than Michigan's 11 package, but the coaches are using 12 more often"

ReadingRambler

November 27th, 2018 at 8:57 PM ^

Hello

Friendly Penn State follower here with a sort of answer

I have an Excel chart with down and distance, but here's a start

Note: I stopped looking at plays after Ohio State scored to go up 55-32

Successful plays in the run game by personnel group

Group 11: 7/12

Group 12: 2/14

Group 13: 1/1 (short yardage)

Group 21: 0/2

Group 32: 1/1 (short yardage)

 

Pass

Group 11: 19/27

Group 12: 3/9

Group 13: 0/3

Group 21: 0/2

 

Explosive plays

23 yards (11)

20 yards (12)

24 yards (11)

 

I ran through 81 Michigan plays. Their SPR% on those 81 plays was 40%. Their explosiveness was bad: only 3 plays of 20 or more yards. More than 78% of Michigan’s successful plays were from the 11 grouping of one back and one tight end.

 

Notes:

  1. I like Higdon, but he’s definitely on the slower side. Like here; here; and here. Jonathan Taylor might have housed that 24 yarder.
  2. From group 11, Michigan’s OL seemed to block reasonably well
  3. Evans still has work to do on his vision; he was responsible for this unsuccessful play out of group 11
  4. Michigan was absolutely foolish to not run more from group 11. They were getting some of that incompetent OSU LB overreactions that we all know and love.
  5. This is my least favorite group 12 play of the whole game.
  6. Of Michigan’s 2 successful run plays from group 12, one was a Patterson zone read keeper for 8 yards on 1st down, while the other was a Higdon short yardage play.

 

The defense was still definitively the bigger problem for Michigan, but Michigan also needs to run more 11 against Ohio State. They looked decent that way, as it turns out.

michgoblue

November 27th, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^

While there have been a ton of posts about what is wrong with our offense, we scored 39 points in this game.  The offense was not the problem.  Sure, it would be nice to score more, but the offense was generally ok, considering that we were going up against a defense that, while not statistically great, is made up of 4* and 5* talent.

If Gentry catches 2 of the three balls that he dropped, the whole perception of the offense is different.  Admittedly, our offense is far from elite - we are not Oklahoma, nor are we going to be.  But, if you score 39 freaking points and have the #1 defense in the country, you should be able to win.  

All of that said, here are my observations / criticisms of the offense:

1.  While everyone wants to see more passes to Collins, Black and DPJ, if you watch the film, those guys are rarely open unless it is a blown assignment.  From my admittedly amateur analysis, these guys really need to improve their route running (and it is possible that the play designs need to be improved), because with their size and speed, I would expect to see more open receivers.  

2.  Higdon up the middle just WAS NOT working.  We ate a number of downs in which we gained 0-2 yards this way (usually on first down, setting us "behind the chains").

3.  Do we not have a single "trick play" up our sleeve?  No, I don't care about flashy, but sometimes those video game plays hit for good yardage.  They can also fire up a team, and when the offense is otherwise struggling, it's a 1-play shot that can move the ball and force a defense to adjust.  Philly special, pass by Gentry (who was a former QB), flea flicker - anything.  

4. Over the two games leading up to this game, our offense looked stale and vanilla.  I figured it was because we were playing Rutgers and Indiana, and that we were saving the good stuff for OSU.  Where was the good stuff?  We came out with our same Rutgers / Indiana playbook (and energy level).  This is not the first time that I have felt that our team came out flat in a big game.  Not always (see Sparty this year, PSU this year, Wisco this year), but it seems like when we face an equal or superior opponent, we turtle.  

Sorry for the length of the post:  tl; dr:  the offense was not the reason we lost, but there were a number of things that I didn't love on offense.

Ron Utah

November 27th, 2018 at 3:01 PM ^

  1. Part of that is scheme.  We don't use tricks to get WRs open like OSU and other teams do.  That said, who cares if they're open?  Cody White and Felton Davis are almost never open when they catch the ball.  MSU just throws back shoulder fades, jump balls, and uses routes to box out coverage.  Those guys aren't great at getting separation.  Nico was blanketed on his TD.  It didn't matter.  THAT'S THE POINT.
  2. Agreed.  Would rather use the Rams/Chiefs style of running game and go up the middle when the defense is spread out.
  3. 100% agree.  Creativity in the passing game is almost non-existent.
  4. Agree again.  We need more creativity and match-up specific game planning if we're going to be successful in the modern game.

buckeye419er

November 27th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^

Your stats 100% back up the OSU weaknesses. LB's generally over persue or are out of position and have poor lateral movement and makeup speed. The corners are average and tend to lose a high percentage of 50/50 balls and get a lot of PI calls. The teams that gave OSU the most trouble all year were the teams that took advantage of that. I honestly think that OSU would have more trouble with Clemson and Oklahoma than they would Bama, Georgia, or ND for the simple fact that they have the style of offense that could exploit the weaknesses. With that said, I am doubtful that OSU would win any of the above games but the scores would be closer in some than in others.