Indiana Snowflakes: The Defense
November 17th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
Per usual pattern, the D allowed only 3 points after halftime.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
That was brutal. The Indiana players hurt us, had extra hits on downed players, and the refs didn't do shit. If they did what they we're supposed to then we wouldn't have had such a scary moment against Edwards.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:43 PM ^
And that act prior to the end of the first half where the player kicked the ball causing us to lose a chance for another play was inexcusable
November 17th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
Dear Michigan players, coaches and fans,
There's no chance you can win a championship when one of your star players goes down.
Sincerely,
Carson Wentz
P.S. Jason Peters, Darren Sproles and Jordan Hicks agree with me 100%
November 17th, 2018 at 9:46 PM ^
True, Carson, but y'all still had this guy
November 17th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
Haskins stated in an interview that he was able to run very well against Michigan last season because they play a lot of man coverage.
The IU quarterback did the same thing tonight against our man coverage defense.
It's one of the reasons why we use to get burnt on so many 3rd and longs. While everybody has their back turned to defend the receivers, the QB just runs for the long yardage instead of passing the ball.
I hope Don Brown switches things up a little bit for Haskins.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:38 PM ^
seriously. If Don Brown said that he thought about OSU every day since last year I would be pretty pleased.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:07 PM ^
we have been good against running qbs all year, dont be a bitch.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:31 PM ^
The IU QB was able to run because Michigan blitzed a lot and did not stay in their lanes.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:29 PM ^
Worried as hell for OSU. No pressure on the QB, open short crosses in the middle, getting no push on run plays, all things OSU feast on.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:30 PM ^
Man...CW’s fall was exactly what we look for as an athletic trainer you think “collarbone”. I hope I’m wrong but dollars to donuts I no feel so good about his injury.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:58 PM ^
User name checks out.
November 17th, 2018 at 11:17 PM ^
X-ray and CT negative. Likely MRI in progress or next.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:33 PM ^
Uninspired game by the D that between the refs blowing major calls and the repulsively dirty play by IU nearly cost the game.
Not much to be happy about tonight beyond the W for the D. They played stronger in the second half but yuck.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^
November 17th, 2018 at 10:33 PM ^
And they still won.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:51 PM ^
I'd say there are many reasons to be worried about next week. We could make a Top 10 list of legitimate reasons to worry.
The past 20 years
Referees
Pass defense
Rush defense
Injuries
Road game struggles against ranked teams not called Michigan State
Etc
November 18th, 2018 at 7:04 AM ^
Refs — Surely O’Neill won’t be assigned to Michigan two weeks in a row, right? Right? RIGHT?
November 18th, 2018 at 8:14 AM ^
The Big Ten wouldn't screw us over that way. They would screw us over by sending in the Capron crew instead.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:52 PM ^
My only real complaint: I swear, if I keep seeing LBs vacate in-between the OTs with a mobile QB on 3rd down, I'm going to vomit.
Brown's adjustment was to slide Paye to DT and spy with him. It. Didn't. Work.
Bush/Gil/Hudson are faster and can track down a scrambling QB. Ramsey scrambled for what? 5 first downs?
You can't run man with no one in the middle of the field because everyone is watching their assignment while Ramsey is lumbering right behind them for 15 yards.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:57 PM ^
I just want to know what it takes for our defense to get holding called against the opposing oline. There were two blatant holds on that 4th down.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:35 PM ^
The refs were only looking to make terrible PI calls on Michigan, so it would have taken a lot.
November 18th, 2018 at 9:12 AM ^
We've circulated this article. Is it still true? I thought I saw flags on them during the IU game at OSU that the mgofaithful used to preview us for last night.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/17/9562415/ohio-state-holding-big-ten-game-first-time-since-2013
November 17th, 2018 at 9:02 PM ^
Painful to see our once invincible defense look so average today against a 5-5 team. OSU runs a similar up tempo offense, but they have better skill guys than Indiana. I’m very surprised the pass rush didn’t get to the QB more often. He was waaay to comfortable back there.
Its for all the fucking marbles next week. The Defense needs to show up and impose their will much more than they did today.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
I mean in the end they only scored 20 points
November 17th, 2018 at 9:07 PM ^
This game is the reason why the SEC schedules OOC cupcakes the game before rivalry week. Shades of 2016 started popping into my brain. I hate November.
I don't know what those IU linemen were doing so different but our front 4 had no penetration. Stark contrast to the previous 10 weeks.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:16 PM ^
Pansy eight conf games
November 17th, 2018 at 9:24 PM ^
Holding... a lot.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:39 PM ^
I wouldn't say alot, just every snap and by multiple OL.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:12 PM ^
Only positive going into next week, Haskins is not near as fast or quick as Ramsey, that dude was a quick SOB.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:12 PM ^
Indiana's qb is a good player and played a good game. Threw some good passes into tight coverage. They have good receivers and runners. Except for the dirty play injury to Chase, and the dirty hit on B. Edwards (on a kick return when the return man himself was only a yard or two away from that hit) I think playing this talented offense might have been a good "tighter" for next week's battle in Columbus. Plus, Michigan is 10 & 1.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:55 PM ^
I bet there will be no more talk of us jumping N.D. This week.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:58 PM ^
Indiana was 5-5 coming into this game. We made them look like they were a playoff team.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^
Not so much.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^
Everyone except for Bama has had games like these. It happens. That's why Trap Games have a name
November 17th, 2018 at 10:16 PM ^
Well Bama was tied with The Citadel at the half.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:06 PM ^
I don't agree that osu has better talent. They might have better on paper with star rankings - but by eye test, we are better in almost every player.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:22 PM ^
Id say on offense overall we have about the same talent. OSU has the edge at QB. Haskins is a laser. Michigan has the edge in the run game and Oline. WR are pretty close. TE michigan
On defense Michigan somehow is much better even though OSU should be way more talented according to recruiter rankings. OSU talent on defense has been poorly developed where as ours has been developed about as good as possible
This wont matter next Saturday though. Anybody's game
November 17th, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^
Is Gary detrimental to our rush defense?
Seems were getting gashed since his return. And even the announcers were pointing out when Gary would rush around the pocket on the outside which was leaving some pretty big holes for IUs QB to step up and run through
November 17th, 2018 at 10:20 PM ^
No, Gary had some really nice run stops. I don't think much of the bad stuff is on Gary.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^
Granted it wasn't our best defensive performance of the year but neither was it the shit show that some seem to believe. We held Indiana to their second lowest scoring total all year and below their season average total yardage. It may be that the D are not as dominant as we thought based on the recent stretch, or it may just be one of those games. Either way we know there's a lot of talent on this D and Don Brown's a great coach.
Another thing the negative nancys are missing is that this D FINISHES teams this year. Think about the closing drive for Indiana in this game. SHUT DOWN. Or the closing drive in the NW game. SHUT DOWN. That's what championship defenses do. Finish games. And that's what this D has done.
OSU is going to test this defense next week, no doubt. They're gonna score some points. But I feel just fine about this D coming through when the chips are down and the game is on the line.
November 18th, 2018 at 1:28 AM ^
I think we are still dominant. 2nd half we basically shut them down. It's just been over the past 2 games I've seen some break downs as well. Out of place (esp the D ends) and allowing too much up the middle with both runs and the short (crossing) passing. Indiana played hard (and a bit dirty) is the honest answer. They wanted to upset us and played hard all game, I think it's that simple. They have put up an avg of 34 points per game this year. We held them to 20 so I am good with that and happy with the win. Indiana's D really came up strong in the redzone which made the game far closer and made Moody a superstar tonight. You're right though they did shut them down at the end and also played a LONG game (cramps etc setting in) which actually might be a good thing for next week as it was a helluva conditioning drill today for them. Yikes.
I agree, Don Brown will have us ready much like he did with Penn St. He WANTS this game and so do our guys. It's our year !
November 17th, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^
Some times I wish we kept a LB over the middle or maybe didn't blitz Bush so often. Seems teams can pick us apart on slants because when Bush blitzes and it doesn't produce any pressure its easy picking across the middle.
Northwestern did it well in the 1st half and Indiana did it will all game. Indiana basically waited for Bush to blitz and then had a WR run across the middle for an easy catch
I hope Brown has backup scheme he can quickly switch to if Haskins starts shredding us across the middle
November 17th, 2018 at 10:20 PM ^
That was a poorly coached 1st half. Little in adjustments till half time.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^
How so? How do you adjust to refs not calling holding?
November 17th, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^
By scoring a lot more points for padding. It’s the only way.
November 17th, 2018 at 11:08 PM ^
Going to need to get more pressure on the QB.
November 17th, 2018 at 11:37 PM ^
I haven't read a ton of posts on this thread so I don't know who stated what but it seems to me that next week on third and longs, there should be maybe a Ambry Thomas or Watson in to cover a wide receiver and maybe drop Kinnel down in a linebacker role to cover a tight end or half back that slips out into the flat or a wheel route. All I know is I do not want to see a Devin Gill or young Josh Ross getting burnt by quick Dobbins. Kinnel would be better down there spying a QB run also. They'll be looking to pick on the weaknesses in coverages and right there are probably your two biggest position weaknesses in coverage.
November 18th, 2018 at 12:32 AM ^
Never thought we'd see the day where Mike DeBord outcoaches Don Brown but here we are.
He needs to play more zone on 3rd down.
November 18th, 2018 at 12:35 AM ^
Glad that we faced indiana... they threw quite a bit and i think that will be useful for coach brown to breakdown film.
it might also put a burr under the defense's saddle; they aren't invincible and will need to step it up versus Ohio State...
the loss Chase (potentially) hurts, but i think the DL backups have had quite a bit of playing time with Rashan's injury...
Need to fix whatever Indiana was exploiting with the interior run game