MSU Snowflakes - The Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on October 21st, 2018 at 3:00 PM

Here's your thread for snowflakes and hot takes regarding the overall coaching performance. 

grumbler

October 20th, 2018 at 6:11 PM ^

You have your tke, obviously, but don't assume that others would answer "Do you have a ton of confidence that Michigan would have gotten points there if DPJ had been tackled?" with "no."  There was no time in this game when I was concerned with the outcome.  Sparty got their luck repeatedly and Michigan smashed them in the mouth after it each time.  This offense is top-20 in PPG, even with their schedule, so I think the whining is just comical.

elm

October 20th, 2018 at 5:10 PM ^

Some questionable play calls and decisions on offense in the rainy portions of the game, but overall a good job and great defensive coaching.

I think we should throw out the jet sweeps, though. They don’t seem to work much for us and we have enough other offensive weapons.

gbdub

October 20th, 2018 at 5:10 PM ^

Does Harbaugh coach the QBs to be too conservative? That’s was a big problem last year too, and now Patterson is leaving opportunities on the field. If Patterson, Collins, or Gentry have a step, and nothing open? Throw the ball! Most of these are not dangerous plays to take a shot. Way too many times where Shea eats a sack or throws away when you can take a shot at a big play with the downside being an incomplete. And on 3rd down when you don’t trust your kicker? Even an arm punt that gets picked off is a wash. Take the chance. 

Ghost of Fritz…

October 20th, 2018 at 5:44 PM ^

In a game like that (opponent has a good D, lots of punts, weather, etc.), a pick can have a huge impact.  So maybe it is best to play it safe.

But in fact Patterson did throw two of three sort of dangerous passes. 

I think Patterson missing a few open guys is not really about being told to be conservative. 

He just is not yet quite elite at seeing open spots or receivers on a consistent basis.  He's not terrible at it.  Just sort of getting up the learning curve.  Did not really have to rely on that as much in the Ole Miss offense.

He is very accurate, however, so...give it time and he could end up being really elite.

GarMoe

October 20th, 2018 at 5:11 PM ^

We need a “MSU Snowflakes The Snowflakes” thread as well.   I’d like to bitch about the GD weather for the GD MSU games.

LV Sports Bettor

October 20th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^

Told buddy of mine before the game it seems Michigan has shied away from MSU when they play, like they play scared and back down when things get tough. This was not the case here. Faced with some adversity on the road in a tie game in the 2nd half they looked like they woke up and become the more competitive team. 

This to me was a program changing win cause of that reason. This was the look I was hoping for when Harbaugh came back to town.

OneBadMutha

October 20th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^

After Sparty ties it, Michigan finally got less predictable. Still disappointed they didn’t attack down the field more often. Still think Pep is the weakness on this team. 

1971woverine

October 20th, 2018 at 5:20 PM ^

Listening to MORK now talk about the punt turnover and how that changed the gaem....PFFFFFFFFTTTTTT...90 YARDS OF OFFENSE...PRIDE COMES BEFORE THE FALL!

Schemboeller C…

October 20th, 2018 at 5:24 PM ^

I'm sure people have discussed this before, but what are everyone's thoughts on the chances of Don Brown coaching here until he retires? Can't really imagine him making a lateral job move and he seems to old to start getting into head coaching. 

lhglrkwg

October 20th, 2018 at 5:25 PM ^

That 2nd quarter hurt. 4 drives stalled in plus territory and we punted on a bunch of em. I get that Nordin has the yips but i feel we need to go for a few of those. Esp the 4th and 5

Debateable obviously but that feels like the kind of offensive performance than can cost you games. Gotta captalize on at least SOME of those opportunities

stephenrjking

October 20th, 2018 at 5:57 PM ^

The first fourth down where they lined up and then took the delay penalty wasn't the worst call in the world. I think they went out and were only going to go if they had what they felt was a good matchup. 

I would have liked to see them go for it on the 4th and 5. 

But MSU's only opportunity to score points was, literally, getting a short field. They never drove the whole field in the entire game. I wonder if that played into Harbaugh's thinking. Certainly it didn't make sense to try a field goal from there. 

Shea let a couple of those drives stall. He's playing well this year, but he's not elite right now. I'm hoping for a Rudock-type surge late in the season. Perhaps as he gets more time in the offense he'll start hitting those open receivers against zones.

UMinSF

October 20th, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^

I liked a lot of what I saw today on both sides of the ball. Shea didn't have a great game, but JH got a lot of production out of him with his legs and a couple of well-timed, beautiful TD passes.

This appears to be our winning formula; bruising running game, Shea's legs keeping the defense guessing and honest, and some timely passing. I'm fine with that.

Michigan didn't panic when things started to get hairy. That composure got them through the only moments where the game was in doubt.

Too many penalties, of course. 

Defensively, a masterpiece.

Punting well in MSU territory was my only gripe with the coaching - especially the 4th and 5.

I was super critical of Franklin last week when IMO he coached too conservatively and gave MSU a chance. It sure felt like JH was doing the same thing today.

Play to win, especially when you're well in opposing territory. 

It was great to see JH go for it in the second half, which made all the Franklin/Ferentz decisions in the first half all the more baffling to me. I really felt we could have absolutely crushed MSU today.

All in all, I'm incredibly happy - JH, the entire coaching staff and all the players deserve a ton of credit for a huge win and remarkable improvement this season. 

What a pleasure to watch this team - Go Blue!

 

JPC

October 20th, 2018 at 8:30 PM ^

Rudock only came on after the bye week. It could happen for Shea too. The thing about Shea, at least to my eye, is that he makes the clutch play when he absolutely has to. Sometimes he doesn't take the shots he should take, but when he absolutely has to - he does. 

michfan23

October 20th, 2018 at 5:28 PM ^

I resisted posting during the game because I knew that my temporary emotion was dumb. Any victory against MSU is a good win. This folks was domination. To criticize the coaches would be a poor choice. MSU scores a TD because Evans fumbled on the 6. Other than that, no movement. The mistakes today, and there were some, were typically bad reads or mistakes by the players. I’m not ripping the players, they made far more plays than MSU, but they did make errors that cost points. 

Harbaugh is a good coach, people who want to fire him are just dumb. 

denardogasm

October 20th, 2018 at 5:30 PM ^

Didn’t see a special teams snowflakes thread, but this is a apart coaches question.. does anyone else think they were trying to punt squibs in order to hopefully peg one of our blockers and recover the “fumble?” I thought they actually hit someone on one in the fourth quarter and was very scared for a second.

shags

October 20th, 2018 at 5:31 PM ^

Joel Klatt said it perfectly during the fourth quarter.  In between Lloyd Carr and Jim Harbaugh, Michigan was 46 and 42.  Take out an 11 and 2 season, and that record is 35 wins, 40 losses.  Harbaugh is now 35 and 12.  

Perspective.

Sparty Doesn't Know

October 20th, 2018 at 6:30 PM ^

Take it easy, he was 8-11 against teams that ended with winning records coming into this year, and one of those was 7-6 Purdue.  Albeit, beating teams you are supposed to beat hasn't been automatic like it is under Harbaugh. 

kehnonymous

October 20th, 2018 at 5:34 PM ^

Offense - made too many mistakes that absolutely positively cannot be repeated against OSU: the two fumbles, various bad playcalls to piss away field position, and Shea taking a sack when he could've thrown a fade to DPJ.

But: All teams make mistakes.  And unlike in 2015 or 2017, we executed consistently enough to where the mistakes didn't cost us the game.  The two sustained TD drives were just us being better.  And if you wanna ding Shea for the bad sack, you also gotta give him props for the perfect dime to DPJ that wound up being the winning touchdown. We did enough and then some to get the win on the road against a not-totally-butt team and that's all you can ask.

wayneandgarth

October 20th, 2018 at 5:37 PM ^

Need to prepare the team better obviously not to get involved in the extracurricular personal crap when you’re the much better team.  We were getting draged into the EL gutter where their whole team and fan base is very used to being.

MFanWM

October 20th, 2018 at 5:37 PM ^

There are a few things that need to be cleaned up on offense:

  • Shea needs to give his receivers a chance - they are simply better athletes
  • The receivers need to learn to break back to the QB on breakdowns, several plays they simply stopped their routes and stood when Patterson was running around looking to make a play
  • The TEs were getting handed their ass on many of the stops by MSU, the DE was killing them and collapsing the edge, must be better than that consistently
  • The PA pass from tight formations are not creating any confusion on what is actually coming
  • Would be great to see some tempo - 2 min offense concepts mixed in, waaay too many snaps happen in the last 5 seconds of the play clock giving D time to set up, rest and not create any confusion on snap of the ball
  • Would be great to also see some more spread concepts, earlier in the game, weather was still good, should have tried the deep ball a few more times to back off the defense early on

grumbler

October 20th, 2018 at 6:15 PM ^

Excellent post - I think you have identified the key areas for work going forward.  This is an excellent offense but not good enough to win a national championship yet.  

But there is no question that this Michigan team has "it."  They are going to win the Big Ten and go to the playoffs.  They have to clear up the issues you've identified if they want to win playoff games, though.

Rubberband

October 20th, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^

If I had one complaint with the coaching today it was the emotional penalties.  We answered stupidity with Sparty.  A little more disciplined play will be needed in the remaining big games. 

The plan and execution on both sides of the ball were pretty good .  Liked running it down their throats.

Magnum P.I.

October 20th, 2018 at 6:23 PM ^

Eh, until Sparty's last drive, almost all the boneheaded PFs were two-way. The refs seemed to have resolved to give two-ways fouls for minor things to keep the game under control. Sparty seemed to be more at fault in most cases, but the refs just gave two-way fouls to avoid affecting the flow of the game.