CBS preseason All-America team
CBS published their preseason All-America list today and two Wolverines made the cut. They peg Devin Bush as a first teamer and Rashan Gary as a second teamer.
The B1G had ten players on the list in total. Wisconsin leads the way with five including two on the first-team; Michigan coming in second with two; and three teams (Penn State, Iowa, OSU) each having one each.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^
Disrespekt...
August 15th, 2018 at 3:10 PM ^
Okay, I'll be the first to say it: Rashan Gary only 2nd team? OUTRAGE!!!!!
August 15th, 2018 at 3:12 PM ^
Agreed. If they'd said Rashan was first team and Bush second team, I wouldn't have batted an eyelash.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^
Gary > Bosa... Outrage approved.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^
You were greater than or equal to sign me posting my comment
August 15th, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^
You have anything to back that up or just feelings? I feel like its pretty close and don't really have a problem with it. They are both likely top 15 draft picks.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^
Bosa is widely projected as the #1 overall pick. Gary usually lands somewhere between 5 and 20.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^
If Gary also had an older brother in the NFL these mock drafts wouldn't lean one way or the other.
August 15th, 2018 at 11:14 PM ^
So Preseason AA list should be based on where they project in the next years draft and not off of things like previous production?
August 15th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^
Eh, DL is the deepest position group in CFB. Ton of DL who are expected to be a top 10-15 pick in the NFL draft which includes Bosa, Oliver, Clemson DL, Simmons, Gary, etc. You can argue for any of them to be on first team All-American and it would've been valid.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:20 PM ^
BUT GARY!!!!
August 16th, 2018 at 6:01 AM ^
You're right, at least 20 DL will be taken in the top 10 - 15 picks, book it!!!
August 15th, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^
Nick Bosa is projected by pretty much several draft people as the top prospect in the draft. Bosa has that important sack edge which is where we measure their impact as a pass rusher. Bosa is much more polished pass rusher and is very similar to his brother, Joey who is already one of the best DE in the league.
Gary has the measureables and potential but he needs refinement in pass rush. If he can improve on it with better hand usages, countermoves, and better pass rush plan, he's a top 3 lock. I know several liked him better as a 3T as opposed to 4-3 DE.
August 16th, 2018 at 4:30 AM ^
If I recall correctly, Nick Bosa had much fewer snaps last year compared to Gary. That may explain the large difference in tackles. A quick Google search couldn't confirm this statement, but I know I read it somewhere.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^
Still think Gary is greater-than sign Bosa
August 15th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^
I want to believe that but it's hard after watching them for last two seasons. Gary has better measurables but Bosa is one of those guys who is just really, really good at football.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
Well you’re an osu slappy so no one cares what you think.
August 16th, 2018 at 12:22 AM ^
Really?
August 15th, 2018 at 3:20 PM ^
Surprised that they didn't have that other guy on the first team.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:20 PM ^
Nice for him, but it pains me to see AJ Dillon on that list.
Also, three Clemson DL on First/Second team......
Come on, how will any opponent RB gain even a yard, or any QB complete a pass ;)
August 15th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^
We'll see. If their secondary isnt great though then teams will just pass on them. They do have Texas A&M and Georgia Tech early in the year and even good defenses struggle with the option. They gave up 200 rushing yards to GT last year
August 15th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^
Having never seen Dillon play, seeing his name on the list made me go watch one of his highlight videos. It made me sad.
August 16th, 2018 at 3:20 PM ^
I forgot about that kid, he has some nimble feet for a power back. We wanted to make him a FB right?
August 15th, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^
Why does no one give love to hill or long?
August 15th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^
Because they're fucking idiots. There is simply no other explanation.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:23 PM ^
I'm slightly surprised that osu only had 2 (Bosa 1st team, Arnette 2nd team)... I figured at least Dobbins would get some pre season love. Also, Wisconsin with 5 seems outrageously excessive. Feels like a consolation prize for winning the west only to lose in the B1G title game.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^
Yeah Wisconsin at 5 seems dopey. I mean sure they have a solid roster, but that's dopey.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^
^^^osu troll^^^
August 15th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^
Oh lord I just looked at his post history. Wow
Edit: actually he might not be... It's confusing
August 15th, 2018 at 4:49 PM ^
He is. He's just better at hiding it than the usual cavemen that wander over here from 11W
August 15th, 2018 at 5:20 PM ^
Arnette isn't listed. We're discussing the CBS All-American teams, not whichever one OSU fans prefer that has him listed.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^
I cannot wait to see our defense embarrass Trace McSorley.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^
Recently saw someone defending him, pointing to the Iowa game last year as him “carrying” them to a win. Let’s just forget Barkley had nearly 350 APY and instead remember the last throw that went through the hands of an Iowa defender. Even the arguments for him being a good qb fall short.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:55 PM ^
Trace is above average and athletic enough to make some stuff happen, but many of his defenders seem to not want to give more credit to all of the weapons he had at his disposal last season.
August 15th, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^
For sure, and Moorhead. I think we as Michigan fans know all too well what a good/bad OC does for your team.
August 17th, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^
Good grief, even with our QB and OL problems last year, if we'd had a guy like Barkley that would've bought us 2-3 more wins. It's hard to overestimate what a guy like that can do for an offense. Just being able to generate a few more first downs here and there would've taken a lot of pressure off our defense.
McSorely is going to look a lot more mortal this year.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^
August 15th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
Ugh, the Bosa love continues. I'm not sure what basis they have to put him ahead of Winovich. Lets compare last year's stats.
Bosa:
Tackles - 34
Solo tackles - 19
Assists - 15
Tackles for loss - 16
Sacks - 8.5
Forced Fumbles - 1
Winovich:
Tackles - 73
Solo tackles - 36
Assists - 37
Tackles for loss - 19
Sacks - 8.5
Forced Fumbles - 2
WTF?
August 15th, 2018 at 4:01 PM ^
What were the snap comparisons?
Im ok with using last year's stats for preseason awards but im also ok with projecting. If Bosa had half or even 3/4 the snaps Winovich had you can project him to be better.
I think all 3 will have monster years.
August 15th, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
What were the snap comparisons?
I don't know because main stream outlets don't tally snap counts. But, I'd have to disagree. I think you reward players for the season they had. Production is production. So far Winovich's stats show he's a more productive player and deserves the accolades IMO. If that changes in '18 then give the post-season award to Bosa.
If you also don't know the snap count why would discredit the stats we do know?
August 15th, 2018 at 5:06 PM ^
And so what if Winovich had more snaps to acquire those numbers? (Which I think the Bosa fan is implying.) I'd say it's an indicator that Bosa isn't as tough or well conditioned as Chase.
August 15th, 2018 at 5:06 PM ^
I don't mean to knock Winovich here, but it's the same reason Gary's number are more similar to Bosa's than Winovich's.
Offenses pick their poison. Offenses choose to double Gary, and we have an (awesome) answer in Winovich. This means the numbers don't necessarily show each player's impact.
Not just my opinion though. Pro Football Focus has Bosa as the preseason #1 player in College Football. That's at all positions. Hopefully Gary proves this wrong.
EDIT: Didn't realize that PFF article was just posted today. Of interest is they have Winovich at 27 (Michigan's highest rated player), Lavert Hill at 28 and Devin Bush at 30. Interestingly enough no Gary, and less so, no Shea.
August 15th, 2018 at 3:55 PM ^
Wisconsin will be the best offensive line UM faces until the playoffs.
August 15th, 2018 at 4:22 PM ^
AJ Dillon. Uggg.