OT: Jameis Winston's DNA linked by police to alleged incident [LOCKED]
I don't know how many of you have been following the story of the alleged sexual battery by FSU star QB and Heisman hopeful Jameis Winston, but there is a new, potentially game changing development in the case that has leaked to the press today. Previously, I had been skeptical of the accuser's claims due to the fact that she said her assailant was between 5'9" and 5'11" and Winston is 6'4" but now there's actually some concrete proof that links the two of them to some sort of interaction on the night in question back in 2012. Police have compared DNA taken from Winston to the sample from the accuser's rape kit test, and it is a match. This does not prove whether it was consensual or not, but it does imply that there was some sort of sexual contact between Winston and his accuser.
Where do you think this will go from here? Will charges be filed? Will Winston ultimately wind up getting kicked off of the team? And how incompetent/complicit in a cover up is the Tallahassee PD, waiting 11 months to make this test?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10009077/dna-analysis-matches-jameis-winston-accuser
***EDIT - title edited to make OT per LSA2k's recommendation, and also so that I may clarify that Winston, like all accused of a crime, is innocent until proven guilty.***
MOD EDIT - Some of the comments in this thread are starting to wander into things we shouldn't be discussing on MGoBlog. LSA
November 21st, 2013 at 9:47 AM ^
Glass houses and all that.
November 21st, 2013 at 11:06 AM ^
We're only on the side of the victim here when it doesn't involve Michigan football.
November 21st, 2013 at 12:02 PM ^
Victim means there must be a guilty party or a wrong that was incurred. Please use accuser and accused.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:56 AM ^
There is no way that the starting QB at FSU would have trouble getting laid. If this is true, his stupidity knows no bounds.
November 21st, 2013 at 11:01 AM ^
But mix in alcohol and a girl who maybe wants to hook up but not sex and a guy who is used to getting it and weird things happen. Not saying that's what happened, I have no clue like the rest of us...but not all rape has to be ofthe violent premeditated sort. Weird stuff happens with drunk college kids.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:56 AM ^
DNA isn't proof of a rape, don't call the accuser a victim YET.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:02 AM ^
Urbz would get him off with a 1st quarter suspension against Bowling Green.
November 21st, 2013 at 2:27 PM ^
Didn't he suspend Hyde for 3 games even though no charges were filed against him this summer? That doesn't make any sense...
November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 AM ^
On the one hand, you hate to impugn a guy's character for life as an "accused rapist" if he's innocent, and on the other hand you've got the idiots on the other side pulling the "this bitch is ruining FSU football!" making it tougher for victims to speak out. Both are bad, neither contributes to justice, and both would go away if this stayed anonymous till something actually came of it. Probably not realistic though.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 AM ^
November 21st, 2013 at 10:30 AM ^
Nobody here knows for sure what happened that night, but I'm almost positive that these allegations are going to shed a negative light on Winston and sway Heisman voters away from him.
EDIT: My point is essentially even if he's innocent, situations like this will drag a person's name through the mud.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:29 AM ^
Some of the comments here are pretty decent and/or insightful.
Some are a bit trashy.
Still others (looking at you, Mr/Ms "innocent until proven guilty is bull") are mind-blowingly ignorant.
The most troubling thing is that if the MSM knows about this, the PD has known for quite some time. But I guess we'll see where it goes from here. I find it dishonest to take any kind of STRONG TAEK on stories like this because there are Ben Roethisbergers and Jeremy Hills, and there are also Brian Banks's.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:32 AM ^
Forgetting about the issues involving the parties involved for a moment, the implications are huge. Hesiman, NC game with Ohio possibly getting a bid should Winston be unavailable all hinge on what decision is made by the prosecutor. Timing couldn't be worse.
I can't imagine what the victim feels like and the pressure she faces,
First Vanderbilt's rape situation involving several players and now this. College football is getting some serious black eyes.
November 21st, 2013 at 11:00 AM ^
November 21st, 2013 at 12:21 PM ^
"1. It took a month to identify Jameis?
2. Your initial description is off by 7inches and straight hair?"
How is this relevant now? The DNA evidence shows they had sexual relations on that evening.
The family released a statement yesterday addressing why the matter was not pushed forward originally, basically the threat of retaliation, from whoever, if continuing.
"7. There are photos surfacing of Jameis and the girl after the incident?"
Where are these photos and proof that they were taken after the incident?
So a Florida party is pushing this forward is your belief? And the victim and family is just going along with it? Are you saying the victim/family doesn't believe that Jameis Winston is the suspect, but is going along with that story line? Are we just supposed to ignore everything that has came out from the families attorney?
I think your bias has significantly shaped your view of this.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:46 AM ^
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November 21st, 2013 at 10:58 AM ^
You heard it here first.
November 21st, 2013 at 11:03 AM ^
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November 21st, 2013 at 3:06 PM ^
But if you don't believe in yourself, why should anyone else? Either way, next week is going to be an absolute dogfight. While it might not be enough in the end, I have no doubt Michigan will play its best football next week.
And there's nothing I'd like more than to send them home with their tails between their asses, knowing that they'd essentially gotten into the national championship before we ruined it for them.
November 21st, 2013 at 11:55 AM ^
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November 21st, 2013 at 11:18 AM ^
Doesn't mean anything for the truth of the matter either way, but if the alleged victim was pressured into silence it happened a long time ago, not just as FSU is "on the cusp" of the title game.
November 21st, 2013 at 11:13 AM ^
November 21st, 2013 at 12:32 PM ^
...is always a dubious proposition. We don't know what happened one way or the other. We don't even know if what's being reported is really the evidence (or lackthereof).
November 21st, 2013 at 11:35 AM ^
November 21st, 2013 at 11:43 AM ^
The USA Today story adds some other stuff (HERE). Most notably, Winston's attorney stating that he was not shocked at all by the results of the DNA test. There is also a link to a story which talks about the family of the alleged victim saying that they were warned by the Tallahassee police not to pursue these charges as well - there are links to the TPD statement as well as the family's own statement regarding this aspect of the story in there as well.
November 21st, 2013 at 11:59 AM ^
Nobody knows for sure, yet, what happened.
It's either one of 2 things:
1. He raped her.
2. Consensual sex but it's an all too familiar case of falsely accusing someone who is a star, that you happened to have sex with, in order to get either attention or money.
Either option is despicable.
November 21st, 2013 at 12:12 PM ^
Or, like other cases we know, one of the people had a significant other. What's the easiest way to explain away your philandering or hurt someone else?
November 21st, 2013 at 12:14 PM ^
If this is true he clearly had sex with a girl while in college. I for one am horrified.
November 21st, 2013 at 12:18 PM ^
November 21st, 2013 at 12:22 PM ^
So you have to sit down and explain it to them.
If a person is just a little bit incapacitated (been drinking, drunk, been smoking, doing drugs, injured, sedated, sleeping, or stoned), then consent cannot be provided.
So going to parties or going into bars to quote "pick up chicks", may be fun and a right of passage, but it's also ridden with danger.
Jameis Winston is accused, according to the press clipping, of sexual battery, which I could be wrong, but depending on the state, is not equivalent to forceable rape. In Florida, it may be just unwanted sexual touching. Not sure. He is definitely innocent until proven guilty.
If this evidence suggests sexual battery (unwanted sexual touching), then I wonder whether the consent question can be easily crushed by the victim simply stating: "I had been drinking that night, and not thinking clearly (I was incapacitated, so I could not possibly grant consent!)".
I wonder sometimes how many dudes have fallen into this situation. Not many probably, but holy shit when you do...
November 21st, 2013 at 12:27 PM ^
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November 21st, 2013 at 12:58 PM ^
no evidence, right Mr. Clinton?
November 21st, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^
It will be interesting to see how this shakes out; while I obviously feel for the victim, I've seen enough of these cases to reserve judgment until the end.
November 21st, 2013 at 1:11 PM ^
So, is it a girl who got fucked up, had sex, and had regrets the next day, or was there an actual rape? I just hope that whatever happened, the system gets it right.
November 21st, 2013 at 2:11 PM ^
Reading the timeline as well as the actual statement by the victim and her family makes it all seem worse.
November 21st, 2013 at 2:52 PM ^
I hadn't read the statement from the girl's attorneys yet, if even half of that is true that is explosive, even more so than the DNA stuff. I strongly encourage everyone here to read that link.
November 21st, 2013 at 2:28 PM ^
November 21st, 2013 at 2:44 PM ^
It is totally OT and is full of awful pronouncements. Its only saving grace is Wendyk5's comment above.