ACL Carnage continues with Burzynski
Hoke: Joey Burzynski has a torn ACL, will be out for the remainder of the season.
— Michigan Football (@umichfootball) October 21, 2013
October 21st, 2013 at 10:59 AM ^
Thank god medical advances have hastened the recovery time for injuries like this.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:01 AM ^
lets hope no more acl's happen this year,KNOCK ON WOOD!!!
October 21st, 2013 at 11:01 AM ^
More for Joey than the team. Guy walks on, works hard, sniffs starting last year and this year both, but never quite gets there, finally gets his shot after the tire fire the OL has been all year, plays a little and goes down with an ACL. He may not have the size and talent of some of the other guys, but you really have to feel for a guy in his situation who has it snatched away in a few moments after he finally gets his shot.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:10 AM ^
First thing I thought when he got hurt too, really feel bad for the kid. I can't help but wonder if he would have been ok if he came out the first time he tweaked it. I think he wasn't going to take himself out after all the hard work to get the start and may have done more damage to it unfortunately. :(
October 21st, 2013 at 11:17 AM ^
because they don't repair them, they replace them. Plus ligaments don't repair themselves. The only danger is doing damage to other ligaments or your menisci.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:24 AM ^
ACL's are avascular especially as compared to a tendon. Now some ligaments are "very" vascular (as compared to other ligaments). MCL and LCL are quite vascular and unless you tear it from the bone it will regenerate. Pretty sure we have had a couple of MCL "tears" this year through the grapevine and I know those players are back 100%.
Someone mentioned S&C doesn't affect this - well we are an a pretty accelerated injury rate on this injury so we shouldn't overlook any variable. Obviously you could have the best program and a kid could tear his ACL falling down the stairs, but it would be interesting to learn our S&C prehab and leg regimen. Leg strength can help - especially hamstrings in preventing or minimizing ACL injuries due to hyperextension - they act as a break.
This is disheartening but if we go by the Jake Ryan model he will be practicing in spring albeit lightly and good for next year.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:31 AM ^
tear, and they only replaced my ACL, not the MCL.
But in any case, if you are an athlete and you tear your ACL, you will have to get it replaced as soon as possible.
October 21st, 2013 at 3:02 PM ^
October 21st, 2013 at 11:03 AM ^
bionic knees. Make it happen, engineers.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:46 AM ^
Your user name is appropriate, MABEL
October 21st, 2013 at 11:04 AM ^
Kyle Bosch. Come on down!
This interior offensive line lineup is a revolving door.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:06 AM ^
that ACL injuries are 88% more common on field turf. There doesn't seem to be all that much research, though.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:13 AM ^
More common on FieldTurf than on what? A well-maintained, lush grass field? Maybe, but what we had from 1991-2002 was far from that.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:20 AM ^
There are conflicting studies of the safety of FieldTurf. A five-year study published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine found that injury rates for high school sports were similar on natural grass and synthetic turf. There were, however, notable differences in the types of injuries. Athletes playing on synthetic turf sustained more skin injuries and muscle strains while those who played on natural grass were more susceptible to concussions and ligament tears.[13] In 2010, another peer-reviewed study was published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine, this time on NCAA Division 1-A football, concluding that in many cases games played FieldTurf-branded products led to fewer injuries than those played on natural grass.[14] However, the NFL’s Injury and Safety Panel presented a study finding that anterior cruciate ligament injuries happened 88 percent more often in games played on FieldTurf than in games played on grass.[15]
October 21st, 2013 at 11:39 AM ^
Here are some links:
http://medcitynews.com/2012/09/acl-injuries-more-common-among-nfl-players-on-fieldturf-than-grass/
http://www.drdavidgeier.com/ask-dr-geier-acl-tears-on-natural-grass-or-fieldturf/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/12/study-finds-acl-injuries-more-common-on-fieldturf/
October 21st, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^
I don't know if you're following my point. This is the money quote:
"There's a big difference between an NFL field, which is pristine and prime, and every other field in the country," Meyers said. That could tip the injury balance in favor of grass in a study limited to the pros.
What we had from 1991-2002 was practically painted mud by midseason, and opposing teams regularly complained about how bad the footing was. Speaking of "grass" fields isn't very helpful in our case, because it's very difficult to grow it at Michigan Stadium. Our options are basically a mudpit or FieldTurf, and that's probably a different comparison than lush grass vs. FieldTurf.
October 21st, 2013 at 2:08 PM ^
The grass field prior ot field turf was a disaster. But I don't think it changes the point that field turf might be contributing to the problem. I believe there are other options.
October 21st, 2013 at 2:18 PM ^
Yes, the history of Michigan Stadium is that it was originally grass, then switched to a carpet-like Tartan Turf in about 1969, which remained as that kind of field (with periodic re-carpeting) until 1991, when it was decided to abandon that artificial surface (and it was basically a good idea) as well as lower the field so that the first few rows were no longer so low in comparison to the playing surface.
Yes, we went to Field Turf after that and we continue with that surface.
And yes, the '91-'02 grass was terrible. One of the worst fields, anywhere. An embarassment much of the time. With workers scampering out onto the field during timeouts to tamp down foot-long divots and torn turf.
But what a lot of people don't realize is that before switching to the Tartan Turf in '69, we had a GREAT grass field. It was flawless, and drained amazingly well given the low grade of the inside of the Stadium and the notorious underground spring that flows below.
Whatever they did in '91 with the drainage and the Stadium infrastructure (the idea, as I say, was great), the effect was a disaster.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:11 AM ^
Tough to hear, especially because he really has worked hard and finally got the nod to start only to have it end like that. Hopefully, Burzynski's recovery is full and expeditious and he is back at it next season.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:11 AM ^
October 21st, 2013 at 11:14 AM ^
That really sucks for Burzynski. I was happy for him moving his way up the depth chart. I think his injury happened on the first drive, no?
October 21st, 2013 at 12:17 PM ^
I remember Bosch coming in really early so it must've been first or second. When you write your posts regarding the games do you rewatch anything or just go off of memory? Adding to that, is there a chance that you will grade out either of the lines at some point, such as a UFR, since I believe that is your area of expertise?
October 21st, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^
I sometimes watch parts of the game for a second time, but I usually rewind almost every play as I'm watching "live" and re-watch each one a couple times. Then I just try to catch back up during commercials, timeouts, and halftime.
I've considered doing a UFR-type thing, but I'm too busy during football season...and once my football season ends, it loses its immediacy. I don't know how many people are interested in looking at an Indiana UFR in mid-December or something like that.
October 21st, 2013 at 2:02 PM ^
I like the way you watch the games. You're seeing all the facets of every play. Anyway, how do you think Bosch did for his first start? It seemed like he was able to get great leverage on a lot of plays and get his butt in the right spot for Toussaint to run off of on a lot of the plays that went his way. That seems easy to someone not doing it but damn it must be tough when the objective of the opposing player is to not allow you to do so.
October 21st, 2013 at 2:22 PM ^
I thought Bosch did really well, actually. Especially for a freshman. Granted, it was Indiana and they're not particularly big. But he was very active, used good technique, and seemed not to get confused by blitzes and such. I noticed a couple times when they sent blitzes at him, and he seemed to pick them up. I did notice a hold that didn't get called, but he had fewer mental mistakes than Graham Glasgow, Chris Bryant, or Kyle Kalis have had there, in my opinion.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:18 AM ^
the number of ACL injuries to Michigan lineman has been pretty low I believe. Early 80's it seemed like they lost one lineman a year to an ACL.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:21 AM ^
BEAT IT!! or this could be you.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:33 AM ^
I'm wondering when this affects recruiting. Is there some point when Funk or Borges say, we need to add another OG recruit.
Related to this is the question of how and when announcements are made about someone's career being over. Part of that is the player's decision, and part of it is medical and physical reality. Regardless, I don't expect we'll hear anything regarding OL depth during the remainder of the season.
October 21st, 2013 at 12:57 PM ^
Doubtful. I don't think any football coach can plausibly make a "Come here and you won't ever get hurt" recruiting pitch.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:37 AM ^
Tough SOB, he actually took a number of snaps after tearing it... Here is to a full recovery.
October 21st, 2013 at 12:43 PM ^
Oddly, I was just watching the replay on BTN while I was reading this and just saw the play where he came out. Little bit of a limp, but nothing that would make you think ACL.
October 21st, 2013 at 1:17 PM ^
...and yet when Sam Bradford tore his ACL yesterday, he was writhing all over the ground like an IED went off.
October 21st, 2013 at 1:53 PM ^
I tore my ACL playing soccer and I hit the ground awfully fast. I don't remember what was coming out of my mouth but it probably wasn't G-rated.
The pain dies down pretty quickly, though.
October 21st, 2013 at 2:30 PM ^
I realize it hurts, but usually, guys just crumple to the ground and grab their knee. Drake Johnson, Joey Burzynski, and a bunch of other guys I've seen have acted like it might as well be a sprain or a muscle pull.
October 22nd, 2013 at 8:23 AM ^
October 21st, 2013 at 2:01 PM ^
Both are large human beings but offensive lineman are trained to be somewhat impervious to pain while quarterbacks wear red jerseys so as not to get hit the majority of times they are training to do what it is they do. Their bodies aren't as accustomed to that stimuli as linemen who are punished on every play in practice and to an even greater extent in games since that is when effort is taken to the highest of levels.
October 21st, 2013 at 2:41 PM ^
Improvised Explosive Device or Implantable Electronic Defibrilator?
The second is what I thought of and made me laugh at the thought of accidentally being internally tased.
October 21st, 2013 at 10:48 PM ^
If the second one made you laugh, that's the one I meant.
October 21st, 2013 at 11:47 AM ^
This sucks...Hope he can come back next year 100%. We need his versatility on the OLine, can play all 3 interior spots.
Wouldn't shock me if he's the 1st interior lineman off the bench behind Bosch-Glasgow-Kalis (I've got Magnuson moving out to OT).
October 21st, 2013 at 11:53 AM ^
Best of luck with your recovery, Joey. We're pulling for you.
October 21st, 2013 at 12:03 PM ^
Take it back Purdue! TAKE IT BACK!!!
October 21st, 2013 at 12:03 PM ^
I think we have enough to make a banner now.
October 21st, 2013 at 12:47 PM ^
October 21st, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^
Ryan, although he's back, Bellomy... hmmmm, Darboh, but it wasn't an ACL tear, who else?
October 21st, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^
Darboh is either a fracture or a Lis-franc tear, both of which are freak injuries.
October 21st, 2013 at 1:22 PM ^
Drake Johnson.
October 22nd, 2013 at 2:39 AM ^
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October 21st, 2013 at 12:11 PM ^
i feel absolutely terrible for the guy.