Where would a win this week rank among the biggest victories in Michigan history?
an Ohio team overconfident with everyone there talking about an AP national championship, on the field in front of 100K Bucknuts, beating Urban the supposed savior of the Ohio program in his first matchup with Michigan at Ohio
I can't think of a bigger win in the last 10 years.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:07 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 PM ^
It's a whole lot different when they're undefeated, especially compared to 6-5. I'd say 2003 could be bigger than this year, since it clinched a Rose Bowl.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:24 PM ^
Being undeafeted so far certainly adds something to a potential win, but I agree with the notion that last year's win will still be the bigger. Having not beaten Ohio since 2003, we needed that win something bad. A game at Ohio with the team they have this year would result in an understandable, though still very dissapointing, loss. All that to say... Beat Ohio!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:25 PM ^
last year was a chance to end their streak, this year is a chance to start our own.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:54 PM ^
has already started from last year. If there were post-season ramifications, you could make a better argument that beating an undefeated OSU would be better, but either way OSU isn't going to a bowl and we are going to the same bowl win or lose.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:18 AM ^
Honest question. I've never heard one counted as a streak except in expanded standings and whatnot, and we definitely won't hear ABC say anything about a one game streak.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:32 PM ^
Disagree about last year's win being bigger. I'd much rather beat an undefeated Ohio than one that was a shell of its former self with a rookie head coach. Ohio had nothing to play for last year and everyone thought they were going to lose anyway. Would much rather play spoiler.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:07 AM ^
Both teams always have something important to play for. A loss can ruin a great season and a win can salvage a poor season.
Part of what makes the rivalry so great is that the better team doesn't always win so the notion that "everyone thought they were going to lose," would only inspire their players.
The 1996 game is a perfect example. We lost the two weeks before that game and OSU was sure they were going to the Rose Bowl and would probably win the national title. A 13-9 win made our 5th place conference finish a lot easier to take.
On the other hand, I agree with you about the joy of playing spoiler and preferring to play an undefeated OSU.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:45 AM ^
Agreed. That thing on our shoulder last year was not a monkey. It was a gigantic male gorilla humping on you. Thank God we got rid of it.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:17 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:22 PM ^
We have about the same hopes of going to Indianapolis this year as we did last year when we were rooting for a 6-5 Northwestern team to knock off Sparty. This year has the added bonus of us being the only loss they'll have all year.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:24 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:27 PM ^
If Clemson and Oklahoma lose (or even just Oklahoma does) we're right in the mix.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 PM ^
Not so. Iowa/Nebraska is Friday so although it is a longshot that the Hawkeyes win, the team will know whether the Rose Bowl is still an option. Not that there need be any more incentive to Beat Ohio.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:24 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:17 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:21 PM ^
year one Urban vs Hoke. Chance to beat an 11-0 team vs a 6-5 team. This year hands down.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 PM ^
A win with zero championship implications?!?!?! Probably not top-50.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:15 PM ^
if we beat osu is there any chance we get into the bcs? i could see us getting the tenth spot over a 2 loss clemson team
November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 PM ^
Probably not. 6 auto-bids, 1 for ND, and a guaranteed bid for a second SEC team. Looks like a Pac-12 team and a Big 12 team will take the two remaining BCS slots. It's not impossible, but it would take some work. I do agree we'd probably get in over a 2 loss Clemson though, especially since that means they're coming off a loss.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 PM ^
I think we could slip in IF Kansas State wins out, Oklahoma State somehow beats Oklahoma this saturday, and Clemson loses to South Carolina (very likely i think). Basically either the Big 10, Big 12, or ACC will get two teams in, and I think if Oklahoma has three losses, Clemson with two, and us with three, they chose us. We're the best choice in my opinion because two of our losses came to the two teams in the title game, and our third came on the road, at night, without our star player against big10 champs. Clemson also got blown out last year and Michigan fans travel better than almost all others.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:27 AM ^
TCU beats Texas and Texas beats KSU
KSU doesn't put many butts in seats. And they'd have a 2-game losing streak. Poof, the bowls have their excuse to pass on KSU/BIG#2.
And the Orange Bowl (ACC-affiliation) picks last. I would assume that the Fiesta & Sugar would snap up Oregon & their favored ESS-EEE-SEE team. Which leaves it up to conference loyalty (and a really boring been-there,done-that game) versus the more attractive game (Michigan).
We might make the BCS after all. (But a matchup w/ an ESS-EEE-SEE foe in the Capital One game would likely be more of a challenge than versus FSU (or Georgia Tech et.al) in the Orange.
The four original BCS bowls hold contracts with certain BCS conferences to choose that conference’s champion. If those contracts cannot be honored, and the bowl loses its first pick to the National Championship Game, that bowl will receive first choice when picking from among other BCS bowl eligible teams. The contracts are as follows:
Orange Bowl — Atlantic Coast Conference
Rose Bowl — Big Ten vs. Pac-12
Fiesta Bowl — Big 12
Sugar Bowl — Southeastern ConferenceSix teams receive automatic bids as conference champions, leaving four “at-large” bids for the BCS bowls to fill, which are chosen in a “draft” format. Teams will be eligible for selection if they finish the season ranked in the top 14 in the final BCS standings and have at least nine victories.
The order of selection for the BCS Bowls after host contracts are filled are as follows:
January 2013 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange
January 2014 games: Orange, Sugar, Fiesta
November 20th, 2012 at 3:16 AM ^
Even if that scenario happens, Kansas State still wins the Big 12 and gets the BCS automatic bid.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:14 AM ^
November 20th, 2012 at 7:32 AM ^
tiebreaker.
2012 Big 12 STANDINGS
TEAM | CONF | OVR |
---|---|---|
#6 Kansas State | 7-1 | 10-1 |
#13 Oklahoma | 6-1 | 8-2 |
#16 Texas | 5-2 | 8-2 |
#21 Oklahoma State | 5-2 | 7-3 |
Texas Tech | 4-4 | 7-4 |
TCU | 3-4 | 6-4 |
Iowa State | 3-5 | 6-5 |
West Virginia | 2-5 | 5-5 |
Baylor | 2-5 | 5-5 |
Kansas | 0-8 | 1-10 |
November 20th, 2012 at 9:51 AM ^
November 20th, 2012 at 7:15 AM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:16 PM ^
Seems to me like it'd fit in just fine with the games of the 90s, when OSU would be ranked in the top 5 every year, play Michigan, and leave with their tails between their nuts.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:17 PM ^
It depends on if Nebraska loses...
If they lose then it may rank up there but if the world doesnt end and Nebraska doesnt lose then just another victory against ohio
November 19th, 2012 at 9:20 PM ^
Yup, #73... maybe #74, it really depends on a lot of factors
November 19th, 2012 at 9:20 PM ^
Tied for first with all of the others
November 19th, 2012 at 9:21 PM ^
May depend if Iowa can upset Nebraska on Friday to know where it would rank. Also, keep two things in mind. 1) We haven't beaten them in the Snake Pit since 2000 so this would get a huge weight off our back. 2) Urban and Hoke will probably be the coaches for a while, and so the first match-up could be very significant.
It would be very big.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:39 PM ^
You mean this place?
I believe the correct name is "God's Toilet Bowl", but that may only be the unofficial name.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:10 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 10:27 PM ^
Come on, that's a bit harsh. It looks like an inviting cooler without the top to me.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:20 PM ^
I don't care what anyone says, there will never be a bigger win than November 22, 1969. Michigan 24 #1 ohio 12.
That was the renaissance of Michigan football. 11/22 has remained a special date in Michigan history.
11/22/1997- #1 Michigan 20 #4 ohio 14
11/22/2003 - 100th Meeting - Michigan 35 ohio 21
November 19th, 2012 at 9:42 PM ^
You think the 1969 game was a big deal? Man, you're going out on a limb there...
November 19th, 2012 at 9:21 PM ^
It's important that we establish that Urban is a Cooper this year.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:38 PM ^
Urban Cooper poops in coolers
November 19th, 2012 at 10:34 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:22 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:22 PM ^
Best all year, easy.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:24 PM ^
Maybe top 20. Probably lower unless it's an epic comeback or something.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:25 PM ^
November 19th, 2012 at 9:31 PM ^
We only have to move from 19 to 14 in the BCS standings to get a shot at a BCS bowl. Hell, we might get a BCS bowl without being in the top 14 with all the SEC teams in the top ten.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:36 PM ^
Quite simply it will make or break this season. We have not beaten a good team yet this year. Not sure how good they are, but any win against them is a good win - especially in the toilet bowl (a.k.a. the Horseshoe), especially against Urban Meyer, especially in Denard's last game against them, especially in their last game of the year.
BEAT OHIO!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 PM ^
Northwestern. BOOM!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:39 PM ^
If Nebraska somehow loses this weekend, it could become very significant. Even if they don't lose, the full importance of this game wont be known for years, when we can see what Michigan and Ohio State have accomplished after this game is played.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:55 PM ^
If we take care of ohio on Saturday ... we would likely move ahead of Nebraska in terms of bowl pickers. This would make our only conference loss be as a direct result of an injury & voters would know it. If we could win where the huskers lost by 4 touchdowns - it would be huge in the voters minds.
Also - even if huskers win on Friday, I still see them losing to Bucky in B1G game. This would put us as the highest ranked BCS team from the B1G.
Go Blue!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:00 PM ^
I really can't disagree with anything you said. Still, in terms of Michigan football history, the greater significance of this game wont be known for a long time.
We can bump the thread in ten years if we win.
Go Blue! Beat Ohio!