Yahoo article on AD meeting
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-ten-ads-urging-commissioner-tony-p…
summary:
“However, a decision from the league is uncertain, though options have been discussed. On their calls over the last week in fact, high-level school administrators and Petitti have pored over a wide range of possibilities. There was talk, for instance, of any penalty not impacting players directly. A suspension of coach Jim Harbaugh may be the most likely and “cleanest” penalty if one were handed down, one source said.”
“The policy was at the center of discussions last week between school leaders and Petitti. According to the policy, the commissioner can take disciplinary action that is considered “standard” or “major.””
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Standard action includes a fine not exceeding $10,000 and a suspension of no more than two contests. Major action is anything exceeding those penalties and is subject to approval from the Big Ten executive board of presidents.”
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:14 PM ^
The Game 2016 everyone!
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:20 PM ^
I do have a legitimate concern about that.
If OSU plays and beats Michigan straight up and doesn’t need the refs to do it, it’ll fucking suck, but I can live with just being beat by a better team. I just don’t want to lose on a 2016 repeat where the refs had a clear hand in deciding who won that game.
At least this game is at home….
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:26 PM ^
I anticipate shenanigans from the refs, but at the same time I think the performance delta between these teams is such that it won't matter. Refs can decide a close game, but they really can't undo a blowout.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:36 PM ^
Me too. Refs suck. At least it is at home. I expect McCord to throw multiple picks and I don't expect them to reverse everything.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:36 PM ^
It won't matter when its 34-6 mid 3rd quarter.
OSU is going to struggle on offense....JJ will torch their Don Knowles, blitz happy, defense.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:10 PM ^
If 2 game suspensions and a $10k fine for Harbaugh is the punishment, then sign me tf up
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:17 PM ^
I disagree, unless that's the punishment after the investigation is formally complete. I'm not at comfortable with the notion that "other coaches being big mad" could become the de facto bar for coaching suspensions and fines. If due process is damaged here, that will open a can of worms that will degrade the sport.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:29 PM ^
There will still be the NCAA punishment. I'd like to believe that the Big Ten isn't going to be giving us rolling punishments for the same crime.
But I'm wondering, has the Big Ten ever handed out punishments for things being investigated by the NCAA?
I'm aware of the conference giving out suspensions and fines, but never for an NCAA violation.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:49 PM ^
I agree. A kangaroo court orchestrated by media outrage is not good for anyone. Time to get the NCAA out of football. The sport has evolved well past the point that Teddy Roosevelt originally started the NCAA and it is best left to presiding over the non-revenue and Olympic sports, not the cash cow that keeps everything else afloat. They’ve been half-assing it for the past thirty years and are now too beset by their own contradictions and conflicts to credibly govern the sport or provide any believable basis of sportsmanship enforcement.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:32 PM ^
So if your little brother says "Dad, he took the dog for a walk and left a pile of crap in the neighbor's yard and didn't pick it up," and your dad smacks you for it without asking you about it and even though you didn't even take the dog for a walk, are you ready to sign up for that? What is wrong with you?
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:33 PM ^
I don't believe Harbaugh should be suspended for this unless he knew. If they have proof of Stallions doing this stuff in 2021 and 2022, then make Michigan forfeit their CFP earnings and call it a day.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:01 PM ^
So a thumbs up for suspending Harbaugh gets upvotes, but paying some money gets downvotes.
I don't get this board sometimes.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:26 PM ^
He doesn’t deserve any punishment but if a one game suspension will put this ridiculous story to bed sign me up.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:53 PM ^
Why are we even talking punishment when we don't know what the crime is?
November 2nd, 2023 at 10:16 PM ^
Which two games? Not having him on the sidelines for OSU or PSU might be enough of a disadvantage to derail a perfect season.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:11 PM ^
From the meeting
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:14 PM ^
So we hear you’ve been accused something but the NCAA hasn’t given notice. So….we really can’t do anything
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:18 PM ^
We can do one thing: continue to annihilate all opponents on the football field with numbing repetition.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:16 PM ^
I can only imagine that Ryan Day is doing everything he can to have Jim Harbaugh not there for The Game.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:18 PM ^
He’s gonna lose that effort as well. Another tough Day for Ryan.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:29 PM ^
That is the only type of tough Day knows
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:22 PM ^
It will be hilarious if Harbaugh goes over to SEC championship game while he nominates one of his assistants to be the head coach of B1G championship game. It won't happen, but I am just being silly.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:26 PM ^
Imagining Jimmy not being there for the "game." He will have motivated the fuck out of the team, who I believe will take that out on OSU. They're fucking themselves, or "Tuckering," if you will.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:17 PM ^
Suspend Harbaugh? For something that there is no evidence of him reportedly knowing about?
I mean, it's vastly preferable to a post-season ban but it kind of makes no sense based on the evidence.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:39 PM ^
Knowing isn't the question in the NCAA anymore. Harbaugh is responsible for the program
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:42 PM ^
Well, they also have to establish that the school didn't take adequate measures to train their staff. As far as we know NCAA has not been to the university.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:18 PM ^
Rather unseemly for the Big Ten to punish Harbaugh for something he hasn't even been demonstrated to have knowledge of happening.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:36 PM ^
Has Michigan even been formally accused of any violations? I think it's only been anonymously sourced "news" articles making these accusations so far, right?
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:20 PM ^
Big Ten athletic directors continued to encourage action from the league over Michigan’s sign-stealing scandal and gave their support for any decision that is made, sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Any decision? $10k fine, the end. And everybody will support it. Sources said so.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:21 PM ^
If anything, wouldn't this make the B1G more likely to get a 2nd team in? "oh Ohio State lost to Michigan but since it was to the cheaters it's no big deal, we should still put them in"
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:24 PM ^
OSU is well-positioned because losing at UM is a good loss and they have their win at Notre Dame. That was going to be the case anyway.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:37 PM ^
OSU won't get in over an undefeated FSU, an undefeated or 1 loss Pac 12 champ, and certainly not the SEC champ. OSU is not making the playoff.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:45 PM ^
Yeah. And they weren't going to get in last year either, until about four teams shit the bed.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:58 PM ^
It's quite probable that the Pac12 champ will have 2 losses. The ACC champ might get a late loss too, same for the B12.
OSU starting #1 has a legit chance to finish in the top 4 if their only loss is to the media's bad boys.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:47 PM ^
This OSU team is going to get exposed vs Michigan.
They wont' have OSU alums across from Day running extremely conservative game plans almost guaranteeing an OSU victory.
OSU will be damaged goods, post November.
November 2nd, 2023 at 10:19 PM ^
Aren’t they now?
Already giving off stalker ex vibes
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:22 PM ^
Sign Harbaugh to an extension. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, but the grand conspiracy will have failed. One thing I do fear though is the officiating of our games the rest of the season. Watch us get the short end at PSU, and maybe even in The Game in AA. Win those two, and you can be sure the deck will be stacked against us in the CFP. It might be worse than Columbus 2016.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:10 PM ^
I completely agree with signing the Harbaugh extension.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:25 PM ^
Michigan should not accept anything more than a fine next season.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:26 PM ^
If the Big Ten actually tries to do anything to punish Michigan before the NCAA, Michigan should absolutely leave the conference to go independent or join the SEC. Why should we keep subsidizing the minnows of the conference by sharing tv money with them. Screw that.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:35 PM ^
SEC: a league where Omertà still exists
BIG: snitch league
All kidding aside, it would be an advantage to be the only MW in the SEC
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:27 PM ^
I'm not starting a new thread on this, but the ESPN piece says that MSU's AD was most vocal.
The most powerful message, according to sources familiar with the call, came from Michigan State athletic director Alan Haller. He mentioned the alterations in preparation that Michigan State needed to go through prior to its game with Michigan when he received a call on Wednesday of that game week about Michigan having Michigan State's signals.
Haller worried about players potentially getting hurt because Michigan players, in theory, knew where they'd be going on plays.
He also referenced last year, when he said the Big Ten forced Michigan State to suspend numerous players after the tunnel incident in Ann Arbor before the league finished investigating the incident. He pointed out that it was hypocritical that this year, with Michigan under investigation, the league is now waiting for an investigation to unfold.
Haller is not typically one of the more vocal athletic directors on calls, so both his voice and the passion he spoke with resonated with the athletic directors and Big Ten officials on the call, sources said.
Haller seems to forget the part where there was video evidence of his players committing assault. Video is not hearsay and rumor.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:30 PM ^
Oh spare me Haller. The over dramatic crying from the rest of the big ten is exhausting
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:31 PM ^
I mean, Big Ten is free to suspend Stalions if they want since he's the only one who has been caught so far.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:10 PM ^
Michigan suspended the one person where there is evidence of the person doing something that probably is against the NCAA rules. Unlike MSU, Michigan didn’t need the Big Ten to step in and push for suspension. Michigan did it on its own accord.
November 2nd, 2023 at 9:18 PM ^
Let's un-suspend him so the Big Ten can do it and then everybody will be happy.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:32 PM ^
It's nauseatingly on brand for MSU to talk about player safety before immediately reminding everyone about the time their players committed assault on video, while in uniform.
November 2nd, 2023 at 10:35 PM ^
At the same time one of the MSU OL jumped on the back of a Michigan DL (with all of his weight) who was face down on the ground away from the play, spearing him in the back of the head. Clearly intending to injure. Could've broke his freaking neck. It's one of the dirtiest hits I've ever seen in watching about 50 yrs of football.
EDIT: MacGyver beat me to it below.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:32 PM ^
Haller will do anything to keep Mel Tucker off of the front page of the sports section.
November 2nd, 2023 at 8:40 PM ^
I am sure Warde agreed with him too