Would you ever support Lloyd's return as Michigan's Head Coach?
First of all, I understand that I'm going to offend some people's delicate sensibilities just by posing this question. To those people, there's nothing I can do for you. The question has been posted, and now you're upset. You'll just have to deal with it.
To everyone else...
Suppose, for whatever reason, there was a head coaching vacancy at Michigan at some point before Lloyd gets too much older, and suppose Lloyd, taking inspiration from JoePa and Bowden, decided that he still had some gas left in the tank and wanted to continue coaching for a while longer.
Might you support his return? Why or why not.
what's the point of this question? he's only slightly more likely to return than bo.
Would you ever support Bill Clinton's return as the U.S. American's President of the U.S.A.?
Discuss.
Lloyd's return is not proscribed by the Constitution.
It is, however, proscribed by a shred common sense.
I wasn't drawing that correlation, simply inferring that the likelihood of repealing that amendment was the same as the likelihood of Carr gaining the HC position at Michigan again.
This argument is asking us whether or not we support something that will never happen.
I think all of my interns would enthusiastically say yes.
For now I think i'll just continue partying with the World Cup team. We'll talk about my comeback later.
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all of the M coaches, but you Sir are ridiculous.
I doubt he would take inspiration from Paterno. JoePa's health continues to get worse every year he coaches.
And Llyod wouldnt want to come back. He's got the good life right now.
Assuming that it happens soon, and there are other reasonable candidates available, I would not support Lloyd's return. The game is changing. We must move forward.
I stuck up for Lloyd for years when people were calling for his head, but I'm with Togaroga. He had an amazing run and did great things for the university, but his time has passed. The game was progressing beyond him before he even left (did he ever learn to defend against a running QB?), and it wouldn't be any better if he came back.
Agreed. Plus a major shift back to Lloydball automatically puts us back into another 2-3 year rebuilding mode. Even if Lloyd had some left in the tank, I doubt we'd want to use up 2-3 of those valuable years transitioning yet again.
We needed drastic change, we got the right coach for the job. We need to finish this out.
Some people will point to the bowl game vs. FLA and say we beat Tebow ( a running qb), but really all we did was outscore them in a shootout. Michigan played and entirely different gameplan than they ever did under Carr in that game and still squeaked it out. The era of spread offense and hurry up offense would be hard for him to beat. I loved what he's done for UM, but I think he couldn't make UM a power anymore.
I appreciate everything Lloyd did for this university and football program, but he needs to enjoy retirement. End of discussion.
Lloyd can't coach again.
He has Parkinson's disease.
Bad idea man.
Bad idea...
Real T, you've pushed the offensive button.
Lloyd Carr was a friend of ours.
Show a legend some respect.
That's 5-7-4, therefore not a haiku
1. Bad
2. i
3. dee
4. a
5. man
Reprehensible, but syllabically correct.
bad
id
ya
mang
really, the fact that the haiku was so offensive makes me think we can assume he talks poorly and therefore only had 4 syllables.
I sometimes chuckle at these haikus, but this just makes them all look like a stupid forced meme. For shame, sir. For shame.
I did not mean to
insult Coach Carr. I love him,
but he is quite sick.
Your apology
I accept it; Hopefully
We've all learned something
At least you came back
Others with less fortitude
Would not have done so
Wow, I guess you're right. In my mind "Idea" is I-dea but I can see why that's wrong. Bizarre... I mean who actually pronounces all three syllables when they say it?
But that still makes me an idiot :)
I mean, if it were pronounced with a diphthong, then I think you'd be correct in saying it's only a 2 syllable word. I think it sounds very strange when pronounced with only 2 though... are you saying it like "id-ya"? And do you have an accent of some kind, southern or something?
When I try to make it 2 syllables, there is way too much stress on the "i" and it sounds like EYE-dyuh, or EYE-dee (which is wrong, but I can see where one might drop the a)
It is difficult
to count sometimes. I wish you
luck with your problem.
Why would you want to jeopardize a solid career by rolling the dice on a successful return to coaching? Plus, it's hard to beat going out into the sunset on your team's shoulders. What if he came back and was forced to end his coaching career with a bowl loss or other not-so-feel-good ending?
Hell NO
Because he felt he no longer had the desire every single day to get up and do what needed to be done to be the coach. I do not know what would make him feel he still had it but as history shows after retiring from the game a return has never been great for any player/coach.
btw, coaches/players leaving in their prime for 1 yr and coming back is not what I am talking about.
So in a word, NO, cause I absolutely feel Lloyd would get a month into the job and remember why he retired in the 1st place.
If the situation presented itself where there was a vacancy and Lloyd decided to step up and take it, I would support it 100%. I don't think anyone would question that he is qualified. And its hard for me to imagine a scenario where a better coach and/or fit would be available. What I wouldn't want (and I don't think the OP is implying this at all) is for RR to be fired with the intention of having Lloyd replace him. I think that would be foolish.
Benedict probably doesn't, but I bet JPII did on occasion, in his younger years.
Who then would run the Ypsilanti Illuminati?
Ron English is poised to take over.
Yeah, seeing as how the transition from Lloyd's guys to RR's guys has been smooth as butter - I presume it would be a good idea to just go back to what we were doing 3 years ago.
I can't even see how this idea is in the realm of "possible".
I'm not so much offended by the question as disturbed by the fact that you decided to ask it.
The only way I could see Lloyd ever coming back was if it was a temporary interim job. Kinda like when Tom Osborne came back as Nebraska's coach in 07 after Callahan was fired and before Pelini was hired.
Or if RR starts this year 0-6 and gets fired in October and they need someone to step in to finish out the season and continue recruiting duties, etc.
But that ain't gonna happen.
First, Dr. Tom was coach only during a short period in the off-season during the Callhan-Pellini transition. It was more or less to provide athletic department oversight of the football program and to allow him to recruit per NCAA regulations.
If something was to happen between now and the end of this coming season that was to result in, hypothetically, the dismissal of Rich Rodriguez, I would absolutely support Lloyd stepping in as the interim coach.
And then I would hope that the coaching search than ensues would bring someone from within the family back home to coach. And by family I mean former player or member of a previous coaching staff.
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It would such a Jay Leno move. No, he wouldn't do it . Despite the fact he hasn't shown RichRod an ounce of support or called off the the dogs still loyal to him.
The personal and the atmosphere at Michigan are now completely different in the program. To hire Lloyd back or somebody like him would not only sacrifice everything that's been worked at to modernize the last few years, but it would send us right back to the cellar doing so.
If Michigan has a coaching vacancy sometime 2-3 years down the road, we'll be getting someone who runs a similar offense to what we are now.
It appears we're entered the "ridiculous hypotheticals" portion of the off-season.
I take this as a positive sign, actually; that means we just need to get through the "how many wins does RR need to keep his job" threads and the "any word on [player name]'s progress in spring practice?" threads, and then we arrive at the actual season.
As to your question, though, I'd say that we can cross that bridge when we never, ever, ever, ever come to it.
Since the football team is responsible for its own balls during practice and the games, what if they hid a couple of small rocket motors in them? See, the center could kinda hide the ball and light it before handing back to the QB.... Of course, this would only work on passing plays, since if it were a running play, the RB's hands would get burned....
No way.
Besides who wants Debord back as OC?
John Cooper returns as the head coach at Ohio State first?
Is this a trick question?
My response is:
13 years, 122-40 record. 1 national title, 5 Big Ten titles. 1 Heisman Trophy winner. Tom Brady, Chad Henne, Braylon Edwards.
if the position were open, and he wanted it, of course I'd welcome him back.
Yes, he did some great things but you're sort of ignoring the fact that most of his success came early in his career. I love Lloyd, he'll always be my Michigan coach, but he left for a reason.
Is that you? Or an imposter?
I'm one of the fans that thinks Lloyd got too conservative in his old age and let the game pass him by. I thank him for his tenure and the way he represented the university, but as others have said, it's time to look toward the future of football.
His Capital One Bowl victory over Florida was almost bittersweet--we were huge underdogs and shocked the world with one of the biggest victories in Michigan history to send Lloyd out with a monumental win. On the other hand, it was clear that Lloyd had the "Balls to the Wall, Burn the Boats, Go Big or Go Home" mindset for his final game and look at what happened...we had one of the biggest wins of his career. What would have happened if he had that fearless mentality in '06 against OSU?
The Capital One Bowl reminded me of Lloyd in his younger, more successful days and it almost hurt to see that type of coaching in his farewell game.
And was the coach when I was in A2 . I don't want him back, I think we all forget how good of a coach he was but I do recall an opening game with a top 5 team he lost to a Team from Boone , NC.
Also this coaching change talk is just hurting Michigan everyday. If you don't support Rich Rod so be it. This has nothing to do with this post but if you're really a Michigan fan don't call him out or talk about other possible guys in the future that just hurts everyone. We need to stand as one, if Rich Rod fails ok we wish he luck and thank him for coaching Michigan. But I'm looking at the bigger picture and see us winning again and being a force under Rich.
We will all see come September when this team is far better then we have been "told" they are.
I'm not knocking your post just venting from how many post on every web site there is about who is the next guy is and how many of us keep putting our coach down.
Have Faith Wolverines
Go Blue!