Will UM Win The 1993 National Basketball Championship?
So the UNC academic scandal -- which is outrageous, for an institution of that supposed quality -- goes back to 1993. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11752073/north-carolina-tar-heels-academic-fraud-compounded-inaction-lack-oversight-chancellor-says
If they start vacating UNC wins throughout that period... I don't know if it goes back to the 1993 championship game, but... depending on the timing of events, that potentially could vacate their 1993 championship.
If they vacate a championship, does the other team get the championship? Or is it officially a year with no champion?
And let's compound the problem. For a long time, we officially weren't in that championship game either, due to C-Web. But that 20-year ban is over, right? As of today, were we officially in that game -- is it in the media guide, etc.? I do think we can hang the banner for being in the Final 4 that year (although I understand we haven't done that yet). If as of now we officially were in that game, and if UNC now officially was not, can we now get awarded the championship?
And last question. Would we want that banner anyway?
October 24th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
No. There just wouldn't be a champion for that year. I think this happened with USC?
October 24th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^
No they wouldnt, There should just be no champion and mak it a year that didnt count! Beat state
October 24th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
Vacated games aren't forfeited. They are treated as though they didn't happen.
Webber/Taylor/Traylor/Bullock were banned from contact with the University for 10 years. The ban had nothing to do with the vacating of games, which is permanent.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:10 PM ^
October 24th, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^
tomorrow please.
October 24th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^
Auburn would claim it as a national title.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^
Oh come on.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 1:51 AM ^
what is the source of your avatar? google search turns up oklahoma university as the primary hit. is it a shopped version of a hot sooner girl?
October 24th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^
Yeah, but part of the reason he was on USC may have been because of the improper benefits. Which is why it's correct to strip them of those wins.
Put it this way: say a team starts handing out $100,000 cash to any recruit who signs with them, and they pick up every one of the top 15 recruits that year. When they win the national championship, it will of course be because they are the best team, but they are only assembled togetether because the school cheated. And the win should absolutely be vacated, and it's absolutely unfair to the #2 team, who might have been the best team if everyone had followed the rules.
It's an extreme example, but it's the same concept of what happens with every other cheating team.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^
Its most unfair to the 3rd place team who didnt even get a chance to play in the championship game. The 2nd place team still had a chance to win the game since they actually got to play it. The most talented team doesnt always win.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^
I believe the rule for vacating wins basically say that the team vacating them merely gives them up, but the team that lost doesn't get the win. It basically creates a scenario - for record purposes - that is akin to the game having never been played.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^
So do we get to erase that loss?
October 24th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
We already did. Officially, we didn't have a 1992-93 season.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^
The probability of us would go from non-existent to HIGHLY unlikely if we had final four banners to show for that season.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^
How many times does it need to be said that if a win for one team is vacated, it does NOT mean the opponent that lost gets the win? That would be a ridiculous thing to happen.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^
This discussion has already been... well, discussed. We don't suddenly have a Rose Bowl win over USC, or a win over OSU in 2010, etc, so this is no different here. Vacating a win is not the same as transferring a win
October 24th, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^
If UNC officially wasn't in that game and UM officially wasn't in that game, then were fans who thought we were at the game (or watching the game) wrong about that? If that's the case, then many of us just lost our alibi for the night of April 5, 1993. We'd better hope there aren't any unsolved crimes from that night.
October 24th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^
The NCAA is presenting us with a new area of metaphysics and existentialism. If two teams played a game, but neither existed, did the game actually happen? Did it matter to our experience as fans, and more importantly as beings? What did it all mean? All of these questions will be explored in John U. Bacon's new PHIL 345 class: The Metaphysics of NCAA Violations.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^
It won't go to UM, but given how shady that time of Michigan basketball was I'm not sure if they would even be able to receive it if that was an option.
I'll just wait until 2015 when UM will win one for real.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
And what would our banner say, exactly?
1993 Men's Basketball
Didn't cheat quite as successfully as UNC cheated
October 24th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
All of the points.
What they should really do is pull together the 1993 Kansas and Kentucky teams (the final four loses) and have them play for the national championship. I would totally watch that.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^
no there would just be no championship awarded that season. Either way we shouldnt be talking since we vacated our final four as well.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^
No one gets it. And it's pretty pathetic to hang a banner of a game you lost but 20 years later that team has to forefit.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^
We wouldn't hang it. It would collect dust with the rest of the Fab 5 banners in the Bentley Historical Library.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^
WE WILL HOLD THE ASTERISK VICTORIOUSLY ABOVE OUR HEADS.
Actually, since we vacated that game...maybe Kentucky and Kansas should both get to hang the asterisks from their rafters.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
I say make this banner in maize and blue and hang the sucker.
October 24th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^
Did you take classes elsewhere for three years and transfer to Michigan in your senior year? I'm not sure how 1817 worked.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^
Kentucky and Kansas would split the NC.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:29 PM ^
vacate all over this thread.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^
I think we need to call a time-out here regarding discussion of this game.
(Too soon?)
October 24th, 2014 at 12:47 PM ^
I wish very much to upvote this comment. How many MGoPoints do I need for that?
October 24th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^
100 (I think). So just 29 more comments defending UNC's improprieties and responses to those improprieties and you're there.
[Edit: No hard feelings. Just giving you a hard time.]
October 24th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
Everything I've ever written about them has included at least an implicit condemnation of what went on. I just prefer nuanced views over things like "DEATH PENALTY."
October 24th, 2014 at 1:26 PM ^
That's probably true, and I really was just messing with you. I just think of you every time I see something pop up about UNC wrongdoings.
October 24th, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^
Internet friends?
October 24th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^
No. You're a UNC guy, so you'd probably lie, cheat, and steal your way through the relationship.
October 24th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^
Whoa! Stealing is wrong!
October 24th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^
This is just like saying we won the 2003 Rose Bowl. We didn't win it and we didn't win the 1993 national championship either.
October 24th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^
Fuck Keary Colbert.
October 24th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^
Yeah! Fuck him. He was all good and shit his rookie season with the Panthers, so the next year I wasted a high draft pick in my fantasy football league to get him and he was a complete bust.
October 24th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^
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October 24th, 2014 at 2:58 PM ^
I hold make believe grudges with fantasy football players who have let me down in the past and I struggle mightily to let them go.
October 24th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
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October 24th, 2014 at 1:00 PM ^
...according to the record books already, UNC played some phantom team in the National Championship game that season. Michigan takes credit for the loss, but on paper, they weren't really there (due to the Ed Martin scandal).
October 24th, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^
October 24th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^
The NCAA's policies are just plain stupid. They should make games forfeits instead of vacating them.
The only thing that is great about this is that Sparty would be given 2007 and they won't be.