Once or twice I tried to post here that this wasn't going to be an NCAA violation based on the facts of the case. There's a general misunderstanding about what actually happened in the public, but there wasn't really anything the NCAA could do given what the bylaws actually say.
UNC was put on probation by their accrediting body, as well they should have been. Recruiting (especially in basketball) seems to have suffered due to the cloud of potential action. It's now time to move on.
This is actually a pretty good comparison. Both involved an absurd number of independent study classes.
The main differences are that UNC's went on for far longer and involved far more students, and the classes had been delegated from the department head to a department secretary. On the other hand, Hagen's independent studies classes were almost entirely student athletes, while fewer than half of UNC's were.
IMO, the UNC case is obviously far worse overall, but the Michigan one was more likely to be deemed a violation of NCAA rules. In the end, it seems like neither is.
As a UNC/UM alum, let me say that I think Butch Davis is an outstanding person, he was not tied to any of the shenanigans that happened at UNC (the academic stuff started a decade before he arrived) and he's got the best eye for talent in the country. I don't like what he does schematically, as it's entirely to conservative (we ran a cover 2 4-3 "right to rush four" kind of defense) but dammit if we won't have more 3-stars-turned-all-americans than anyone else.
Breizh Café - really good crepes and gallettes
Le Bouillion Charter - inexpensive, good food. Got duck confit, a steak, and a bottle of wine for under 40 euros.
How hard is it to avoid an altercation with your boyfriend if he's only got one good leg? I'm inclined to believe that the issue here is more on her end than his.
While I'm sure that you're just having fun, and that it doesn't end up making a difference, the State of Michigan is served by all three of these public universities, and we should want UM, MSU and Wayne State all to be run in the best possible way to educate of the people in our state.
PS: I also briefly considered it. Not trying to call you out, I just thought about the idea.
What about the more substantive points of his post? That everyone involved has been fired, that additional controls and oversight are now in place (and have been since 2011)?
What about the fact that this covered 3000 out of something like 90,000 students over the time period, and for almost all of those students, this constituted no more than 6 of 120 credit hours needed to graduate?
Anyone who actually think accreditation needs to be removed in any real way, whether permanently or temporarily, has lost their damn mind. I think that "probation" whatever the hell that means, might be worth considering.
Everything I've ever written about them has included at least an implicit condemnation of what went on. I just prefer nuanced views over things like "DEATH PENALTY."
UNC wasn't trying to keep it under wraps... this investigation was instigated by the university, because UNC as an institution cares about doing things the right way, much like Michigan.
It's not good that these classes occurred, but given that they did, this is exactly the kind of response I would hope for.
It's evident that they did not include UNC in their analysis, but then they go on to comment about how UNC is not the most popular team in any ZIP code in North Carolina.
If his post comes off as facetious, what is he really trying to say? I don't really see an alternative meaning, especially in the context of this thread.
I was. If I felt they had a shot at a bowl game, I have them an additional half win. If I thought they had a shoot at the national title, I gave them an additional .75 wins.
Not everyone in the SEC can win 10 games
Given your probabilities in the OP, I have the following by-record probabilities after doing a simulation over 16,382 observations (maximum number of columns in excel 2007).
12-0: 1.6%
11-1: 9.6%
10-2: 22.2%
9-3: 28.8%
8-4: 22.5%
7-5: 10.8%
6-6: 3.7%
5-7: 0.7%
4-8: 0.1%
I'll post what I think the probabilities are in a little while, and the results of my resultant simulation.
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I'll second Spanky's. Get the rosemary chicken pasta.
If Hectors were still open, you would've been able to get a bacon cheeseburger in a pita with chili cheese fries that can't be beat.
There's also a chinese restaurant on Franklin Street that serves Xiao Long Bao, if you're familiar with that.
There's no reason to believe that this is an actual paper actually submitted by a student.
Once or twice I tried to post here that this wasn't going to be an NCAA violation based on the facts of the case. There's a general misunderstanding about what actually happened in the public, but there wasn't really anything the NCAA could do given what the bylaws actually say.
UNC was put on probation by their accrediting body, as well they should have been. Recruiting (especially in basketball) seems to have suffered due to the cloud of potential action. It's now time to move on.
UNC was put on probation by their accrediting body, SACS.
This is actually a pretty good comparison. Both involved an absurd number of independent study classes.
The main differences are that UNC's went on for far longer and involved far more students, and the classes had been delegated from the department head to a department secretary. On the other hand, Hagen's independent studies classes were almost entirely student athletes, while fewer than half of UNC's were.
IMO, the UNC case is obviously far worse overall, but the Michigan one was more likely to be deemed a violation of NCAA rules. In the end, it seems like neither is.
That's not how Title IX works, is it? I think you're allowed to have more scholarships for women than for men, but not fewer.
What are they gonna say? "They won't pay you up there."
You were able to write the following sentence:
"But McDoom's pledge isn't great news for Pie"
and have it make perfect sense.
Logged in to upvote.
Perfect for pushbrooming.
As a UNC/UM alum, let me say that I think Butch Davis is an outstanding person, he was not tied to any of the shenanigans that happened at UNC (the academic stuff started a decade before he arrived) and he's got the best eye for talent in the country. I don't like what he does schematically, as it's entirely to conservative (we ran a cover 2 4-3 "right to rush four" kind of defense) but dammit if we won't have more 3-stars-turned-all-americans than anyone else.
In high school I had a 5.3 and a 5.0.
I had to login to downvote this inanity.
"Maryland will suit up in their all black uniforms Saturday. It looks like they're prepared to go to a funeral. "
Well maybe they are...
Got my 2. Section 308, row KK. Top of the stadium, baby!
Butler High School is IN Matthews, NC.
How hard is it to avoid an altercation with your boyfriend if he's only got one good leg? I'm inclined to believe that the issue here is more on her end than his.
Is this a joke? I don't want to be Clemson.
I mean, Clemsoning is a verb now, and it's not a good thing.
ETA: Who wouldn't win a crapload of games in the ACC? And he's never beaten South Carolina, has he?
While I'm sure that you're just having fun, and that it doesn't end up making a difference, the State of Michigan is served by all three of these public universities, and we should want UM, MSU and Wayne State all to be run in the best possible way to educate of the people in our state.
PS: I also briefly considered it. Not trying to call you out, I just thought about the idea.
I was thinking the same thing. Virtually no filler words (e.g. umm)
Roy Williams wasn't involved.
What about the more substantive points of his post? That everyone involved has been fired, that additional controls and oversight are now in place (and have been since 2011)?
What about the fact that this covered 3000 out of something like 90,000 students over the time period, and for almost all of those students, this constituted no more than 6 of 120 credit hours needed to graduate?
Anyone who actually think accreditation needs to be removed in any real way, whether permanently or temporarily, has lost their damn mind. I think that "probation" whatever the hell that means, might be worth considering.
Whoa! Stealing is wrong!
Internet friends?
Everything I've ever written about them has included at least an implicit condemnation of what went on. I just prefer nuanced views over things like "DEATH PENALTY."
I wish very much to upvote this comment. How many MGoPoints do I need for that?
Should be subject to a FOIA request, no?
It's evident that they did not include UNC in their analysis, but then they go on to comment about how UNC is not the most popular team in any ZIP code in North Carolina.
ASU- 99%
ND- 45%
Miami (NTM)- 99%
Utah- 75%
Minnesota- 80%
Rutgers- 75%
PSU- 75%
MSU- 30%
Indiana- 80%
NW- 65%
Maryland- 75%
Ohio- 35%
That gives me:
12-0: 0.6%
11-1: 4.9%
10-2: 15.1%
9-3: 25.8%
8-4: 26.7%
7-5: 16.9%
6-6: 7.4%
5-7: 2.1%
4-8: 0.4%
If his post comes off as facetious, what is he really trying to say? I don't really see an alternative meaning, especially in the context of this thread.
Not really sure that being a UNC grad makes me a loser. I got in to a PhD program at Michigan.
Does Michigan give PhDs to losers? Is that your position?
Prices are wayyyy too high for most teams. Almost all of my positions are short.
Given your probabilities in the OP, I have the following by-record probabilities after doing a simulation over 16,382 observations (maximum number of columns in excel 2007).
12-0: 1.6%
11-1: 9.6%
10-2: 22.2%
9-3: 28.8%
8-4: 22.5%
7-5: 10.8%
6-6: 3.7%
5-7: 0.7%
4-8: 0.1%
I'll post what I think the probabilities are in a little while, and the results of my resultant simulation.