Why Michigan Defeated Ohio (according to some Ohio fans)
I thought I might share this with my fellow fans and it's killing me that I don't have a link to provide, as it appears this post was taken down from the site. It was just on there a couple days ago but I just can't find it unfortunately. I e-mailed the text to Brian, so that is where I got it from (just pasted it here of course). The bold text below was a post on the Ohio ESPN message board for Michigan fans and of course, it's full of nothing but lame excuses. Oh what selective memory Ohio fans have, as they cannot recall the flux the Michigan program and fans went through in 2008, 2009, and maybe you can throw 2010 in there. Again, I apologize for not having a link, but this was really on their board.
Congratulations. You did it!! You finally did it!! After 10 grueling years of merciless beat-downs and coming up short in the few close games (save one) you finally put together the winning recipe to beat the team that caused your players pants to be yellow. You rose up in talent and skill, in game planning and sheer determination, in coaching and spirit, and you "feasted" on a dominant OHIO STATE team, coming away with a 6 point victory at home, failing to cover the spread. We are back you say!! Right? Or..... are you really saying are we back??
December 2nd, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^
"I don't care about your sad, pathetic, irrelevant team, so I'm going to write 675 words telling you why your team's win means absolutely nothing to me." -- Obsessed Ohio Fan
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:06 PM ^
Schadenfreude at its finest. Delicious.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:19 PM ^
Exactly! Go Blue!!
December 2nd, 2011 at 12:57 PM ^
i live in cleveland and all week leading up to THE GAME raido personalities like dustin fox and Lecharles Bentley said that you throw out the records and rankings when these two teams play. Now that they lost all Ohio fans want to do is talk about the records and drama.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:26 PM ^
I live in Cleveland and listen to Tony Rizzo and some of the other WKNR crew and they said the same thing.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^
An open letter to Michigan Fans
Congratulations. You beat Ohio.
Ohio football sucks.
Our QB throws like crap.
We used to beat you a lot (forgets to mention they cheated for 10 years, and forgets to mention their record the 6 years before cheating began).
Urban Meyer is my salvation.
Sincerely, someone born and raised in Ohio, have never been outside the state, went to BGSU and now sit on the couch all day, every day, anxiously awaiting the next Ohio game
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:27 PM ^
with a buckstache
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
They don't sit at home all day.
Sometimes, they make it out to the library.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^
Dammit. Laughed out loud at this and had coffee go up my nose.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:51 PM ^
Loved it, made me LOL also.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^
they lost. And a 10-point win is a 10-point win, no? Yeah, they played their butts off, and if they're not in jail next year they can play their butts off again. At the moment we're up, they're down. They still have to go to school and live out their squalid lives in Columbus. Better luck next year!
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^
Years prior to that with Cooper? Who cares! Boo hoo. You cheat, turnovers, and officials killed Michigan in this game. The nuts around your neck are hurting your vision. Bust a nut an crush a Buckcry.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^
Will get called a troll for this, but his explanations sound a lot like some of the explanations people on here use to justify MSU beating UM the past few years. Some in particular are:
- You barely beat us when we had bad teams and young players.
- We were a few overthrown passes away from winning
- We have a new coach who will right the ship and dominate you guys
- After you finally beat us it looks like you just won the National Championship
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:12 PM ^
Probably because all of your arguments involve the fallacy of equivocation and a noticeble lack of mention of the highway robbery by the officials and their affiliates.
Plus: TRASH TORNADO.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^
Now you want to be a troll as well?
December 3rd, 2011 at 2:29 AM ^
I'm not sure "We were a few overthrown passes away from winning" really applies. Every game in the Spartan's four-win streak has been pretty convincing, in my opinion. 2008 was 2008. 2009, Michigan did rally to a comeback but lost in overtime as the demands on Tate were just too much, 2010 we got absolutely blown out and the final score was not even indicative of how much of a blowout it was, and in 2011 your defense came up with a great gameplan in light of the weather that was able to completely shut down the Michigan offense. Also, let me just say that nobody I've talked to thinks that MSU's defense has been anything but incredibly effective this year. I don't think that Michigan fans really try to argue that they lost on a few fluke plays. Maybe there was a bit of that in 2010. For the most part, Michigan fans accept what is decided on the field. Also, having Brian's UFRs give Michigan fans a little bit more insight as to what went wrong in a loss besides blind luck.
"You barely beat us when we had bad teams and young players". Yes, Michigan fans do this every time they lose close. In order to deal with a close loss and find some optimism, we find some unit or person responsible and imagine that it will be better next year. But every sports fanbase does this.
"We have a new coach who will right the ship and dominate you guys". Yeah, Michigan fans absolutely do believe this about Michigan State. But I think that a lot of people weren't totally sure about that when Hoke first got here. But after going 10-2 in his first year there is believe that Brady Hoke and his staff are extremely competent coaches who are recruiting so far above MSU that even if Dantonio were a somewhat better coach, Michigan is in a good place to take control of the rivalry. Of course, you have to give Dantonio a lot of credit in coaching ability and in particular his player development ability. I think every starter in the MSU defense is at the very least All-Conference honorable mention. That's sick, considering how many of those guys are just unheralded 3-stars.
"After you beat us it looks like you won the national championship"-I think Michigan fans had some of those same complaints in 2008, when Dantonio called a win over a 3-9 Michigan team a "program-defining win". I don't even remember that though as i was not really watching much football at the time. Didn't you guys also plant a flag on the ND field?
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^
I expect nothing less from those inbred, mouthbreathing dumbasses. They really think Urban Meyer is the greatest thing since sliced fucking bread. Well Im glad they landed that jackass. He is a piece of shit just like every person in that fan base, he fits in perfectly. Those people have their head jammed so far up their ass I cant believe they know which way is up (they prolly dont). They are in denial that WE ARE BACK, we got our guy, and he did it with someone elses players. 40-34 you delusional moron, suck it.
God DAMNIT I hate Ohio.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:33 PM ^
God DAMN IT I love your post. Bro, I have lived in Ohio all my life, stuck with said "inbred, mouthbreathing dumbasses." Your post pretty much sums my frustration over the past ten years. I truly, truly HATE Ohio fans. Not all, as I have a couple close friends who are Buckeyes, but for the most part, I can truly say I hate those people. They are the most deplorable people on this country and it's not even close or up for debate.
December 2nd, 2011 at 11:30 PM ^
Dit fucking to ,,,,,,,ditto
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:18 PM ^
Welcome to our world the last 3 years....didnt see you complaining when you beat a 3-9 team.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:33 PM ^
The lesson here is that a sore loser is a person whose self-worth is too tied up in his team's winning. As much as I hate when Michigan loses, this helps keep it in perspective for me. And next time I'm faced with a loss, I'll remember this letter and what it sounds like from the outside.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^
I think the point people are missing is not how good or bad Miller played but how bad our secondary played. Receivers were so wide open that even badly thrown balls were completions. This game was a must win going in in my opinion because chances are we will get clobbered in Columbus. Long term I believe the future is bright because Mattison has proven he can recruit at the National Level. Short term things look gloomy and this is why.
I believe Mattison did a good job of leveraging the strength of the defense which was two 5th year seniors who are all big 10 players in Martin and RVB. Three of our four starters graduate. The gap in talent and football smarts between the 1st and 2nd string is gigantic. I'm praying their is ghost floating somewhere that will posess Will Campbell so that he can suddenly be an effective player. So many questions have to work out for our Dline to just be average. Tackle is a position that is rarely filled by a freshmen
Our secondary only succeeded once in handling a big time receiver. We were really fortunate that the teams we played had untalented receivers or untalented QB's. Countest seems to be the only individual who has the atheletic ability to stay with a serious player.
After next year, I think we will have a little edge as Meyer will have to deal with scholarship limits. It is not that he can recruit talented players. It is just that all of them have to work out. Also for every scholarship OSU is short, that is one more blue chip Ohio HS kid who may come up to Michigan because there is not a scholarship available. After next year, some of Mattison's recruits should have some seasoning to either be ready as starters or to be leaders.
Long term I have some concerns because at least from past statements, Borges has an utter disdain for the spread. You would think that after putting up 44 points on a pretty good OSU defense he would get it. At the college level the spread is way superior to the pro set. All things being equal I believe a great offense will be stopped by a great defense of equal talent. I am of the opinion a spread tilts the balance by removing a defense player from an area you wish to attack. This is why Stanford gives up a billion points to Oregon.
If Meyer implements his spread offense and has equivalent talent were going to have to be that much better on defense to make up. OSU will reload their defense. We know that OSU will have the talent to stop a pro set offense. A Troy Smith led offense was unstoppable verse a typical Michigan defense. That 06 defense still has former starters on NFL rosters. Yet they were utterly helpless. If one teams plays a spread and we don't, they will have a gigantic schemetic advantage. They will know our QB will not be a threat to run and we will have to game plan that their QB may or may not run. If you have to cover more bases, you defense gets spread out; thus the reason for name.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:50 PM ^
You lost me at "schemetic advantage".
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^
That's why he used 80-90% shotgun to obliterate Nebraska and OSU, both whom have legit defenses.
What nice logic you have.
December 2nd, 2011 at 3:36 PM ^
I'm sure Borges was filled with self-loathing for most of the season as he called spread plays. Probably why he petulantly refused to call bubble screens.
/s
December 2nd, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
turn up the awesome
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:43 PM ^
There weren't blogs back in the mid-1990s, but this belly-aching sounds exactly like the type of stuff Ohio fans would do, e.g., after the 1995 game (Michign was holding on every play), the 1996 game (Ohio defender got pushed/slipped on the Streets slant pass). After awhile, it just became a Coop thing--Ohio had a better team, but Coop found a way to lose. Ohio fans have never been able to accept defeat, so abiding is their sense of inferiority.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:13 PM ^
What manner of pain and frustration leads someone to spew this much? I see and raise:
1. Scoreboard.
2. Miller overthrows? How about Chad Henne overthrowing Manningham who had 8 yards cushion on a bomb, very similar to the final Posey pass, on the second or third UM drive in 2006 in the 1 v 2 game that OSU won by 3 pts? One Henne completion or Crable no call, and we're not even having this conversation.
3. Down OSU team this year? Try down UM team for four years.
4. Down OSU team? The OSU we faced this week would have gone 8-3 or 9-2 if had all the parts on the field Saturday all season. I personally wasn't surprised it was close, and was nervous about this game precisely for this reason. OSU with Posey, Herron, Adams, etc. is far more dangerous.
5. OSU injuries? How about the 13-3 game when OSU beat a UM team with injured Henne and Hart...
6. Meyer recruiting? Have you taken a peek at Hoke and Mattison's first recruiting class? Lol! And the class isn't even done.
7. In the mind of many UM fans, your streak ended last year when your coach lied and cheated. We like beating OSU but it's hard to beat you when you cheat and vacate games. If OSU is such a football dynasty with oodles of talent, why wasn't your beloved Tressel confident enough in his team to properly disqualify TP and the rest as he should have, and properly rely on kids who hadn't cheated? Insecurity. No other explanation. Your own coach was insecure about your ability to win.
8. Good things come in fours so kindly enjoy: 1. 40-34. 2. Sanctions. 3. Your job hopping coach. 4. 740 days since OSU last beat UM, soon to be over 1,000 before your next try. A thousand days.... Nice.
But finally, most UM fans don't truly think "we're back." We think "we're on our way back" but that doesn't have as good a ring to it. The pieces in place this year, with freshmen on D, coaches figuring themselves out, undersized linemen for the schemes the staff wanted to run, little depth on the D line, and iffy runningbacks until down the stretch, were not ideal for a BiG champion team. We gloat not because we are a football monstrousity, but because we have great new coaches who took what they were given and helped them overachieve throughout the year so fast, oh and bonus, also end a dubious 7 year streak. We are damn proud, and the excitement everyone saw on the field after the game wasn't so much for beating OSU - don't give yourself so much credit . It was for how much this team overachieved, and helped the Seniors, who stuck through all the turbulence, finally get a BiG arch rival win after 7 misses. That it came on the last try, against you, just made it that much sweeter. Poetry.
Humbly, Go Blue.
December 2nd, 2011 at 4:02 PM ^
Wow, rare use of the "Redundant" neg. Kudos.
December 2nd, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^
Can't you tell by our record over the years. No cheating.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM ^
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:14 PM ^
Clearly he's all butthurt and unrealistic. Awwwww, poor lil struggling Buckeye.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:08 PM ^
Ohio State was on our schedule, sorry that we played the "worst Ohio State team ever!" and won, we can't control how bad you guys are, all we can control is whats in front of us and that week it just so happen to be a very bad Ohio State team. Don't flatter yourself too much OSU fans, we aren't just excited that we kicked your ass, we are excited about this year as a whole, there is something we can be proud of moving forward with a 10-2 year with a first year coach. The win against you was just icing on the cake because in the BIG picture of things, we could very well be heading to a BCS bowl to represent the Big Ten while you will be gathering your greyhound tickets for a trip up north for the ohh so respectable Little Ceasers Bowl (or of equal value). So yes, we are proud Michigan fans because we are picking up where we left off.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:18 PM ^
when Denard goes off against them again and we beat them in C-bus. They will all be apoplectic. The idiot columnists in Ohio are already writing that Urban will be competing for a NC in 2014. When that doesn't happen, it'll be fascinating to watch them start to turn on him like rabid dogs. Hey, when Urban gets canned or has a heart attack on the field or whatever, will all the Ohio players were "UM" on their wristbands?
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:21 PM ^
Denial/Isolation
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance.
Congrats, random Buckeye fan, you're at stage 3 already! . I imagine most of your fellow fans are still stuck at stage 1 or 2.
I bet you most Buckeye fans don't make it to stage 5. It's against their nature to ever accept a Michigan loss, and it will forever haunt them.
December 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^
I had some hope after the Iowa game, but I was fully expecting OSU to lose this year. I was surprised how close it was.
Congrats on the win. Enjoy it while it lasts.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:22 PM ^
Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio are starting to believe him. Never in a million years I would have thought that. Selling Michigan jerseys is a good start.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^
Can't wait for it to be open again...
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:30 PM ^
U MAD BRO?????
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 PM ^
"overall record bitches..."
"big ten championships bitches..."
"most FBS wins bitches..."
"u mad bro?"
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:44 PM ^
and then we're going to Iowa!
Then we're heading to Illinois!
Then we're playing Nebraska!
and then we're sticking it to Ohio!
THIS IS MICHIGAN!!!
BYAHHH!
December 2nd, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^
Fergodsakes
December 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 PM ^
1) Click on the Drop Down Menu.
2) Select "FUCKING AWESOME".
3) Click on the Moderate button.
December 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 PM ^
I also love how delusional most suckeye fans are.
"When Meyer shuts down the one year run you had on the Ohio talent pipeline your program will shrivel up once more and return to its' dormant, near extinct state that it was just last year. When he opens new pipelines into Florida and the south and starts pulling in national talent it will only get worse. You will return to the same punching bag you were the past seven years. The same team that lost to Appalachian State, Toledo, and such.The same team that was our doormat year in and year out. We will own you once again."
I am not saying Meyer is a bad coach but IMO must suckeyes have UBER-inflated expectations. Reading some of the message boards, they think that he will waltz in and win NCs left and right. They think he is the next best thing since sliced bread. At Florida he won, in large part because of Tim Tebow. It was Tebow that pulled them out against LSU to get them to the NC game which, in large part, they won again because of Tebow. It was really Tebow that carried that team to the 2nd title. Not saying Meyer had nothing to do with it, but his success at Florida is due, in large part, thanks to Tebow and thanks to his supporting cast which included some pretty darn good coaches including Mattison, Addazio, Charlie Strong, Dan Mullen. It is a bit delusional to think that Meyer will take OSU to the NC game every year, which is what the sentiment is among the OSUckeyes , and that Michigan "will return to the same punching bag [we] were the past seven years. The same team that lost to Appalachian State, Toledo, and such." It shows how ignorant and arrogant the OSUckeyes really are. Michigan will not "return to the same punching bag". We have a solid coaching staff, with one hell of a DC in Mattison.
December 2nd, 2011 at 3:05 PM ^
OMG. Suckeyes LOL!!!! It's like they're Buckeyes, but they suck, and there's also this vague connotation of skull-fucking. Whoa! I have been laughing for the past five hours. Suckeyes! If that were any funnier it would be that joke from that Monty Python sketch that kills people and we'd be using it for joke warfare. Seriously, Jon Stewart and John Belushi have nothing on you. Such wit, too. Next to you, in eloquence, Bill Shakespeare seems like Terrelle Pryor. Suckeyes. Oh man, I just came back to this because I went off and laughed for five hours. My ribs are burning...Suckeyes! How in the hell did you ever come up wtih that? It combines Buckeyes and suck. It's so insightful. IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!!!
You've brightened my life so much. The whole world is going to be like that Kanye West episode on South Park where the 'gay fish' joke makes its rounds everywhere. It's so funny that Woody Hayes is going to rise from the dead and then die laughing again. I mean, he was a Buckeye, but he couldn't help but laugh in spite of no longer being alive. Because, you know, he always knew he did suck, and now that you've combined those two words into one, he'll finally have a chance to get some closure on that.
I'm home early from work because when I used the word 'suckeyes', everyone absolutely could not stop laughing so my boss managed to gasp out that everyone was getting payed vacation time so that they could laugh at your marvelous sparkling wit for the next 7 hours. And it's all because you are just so goddanged awesome. They will try to make movies out of the phrase 'suckeyes' that you just coined but they will fail because the actors will not be able to stop laughing.
Kudos, man. If you come up with anything funnier it just might kill us all.