Like Basketball and they are powerhouses
this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
Like Basketball and they are powerhouses
Have nothing to do with expansion/moving.
It's a big deal for the ACC. Basketball and football TV revenue have been close to 50-50 for them.
And why schools like FSU are looking to jump to the SEC. It may bs important to them, but it's not where the money is. It just looks better than the Big East. If Pitt joins the ACC, and the B10 comes calling, you think they're sticking around there for basketball?
I believe Dave Wannstedt recently gave an interview wherein he said Pitt was begging for a Big Ten invite, but did not get one. So the ACC seems like their 2nd choice. I bet they would flip in a hurry if the Big Ten reached out to them with an offer.
If FSU's looking to jump, why did they just vote to raise the ACC buyout to $20 million. The ACC's looking far stronger than it did even a week ago.
Why would they vote against it? Last time I checked the vote was 12-0. It’s not like their vote was the decisive one and they just shot themselves in the foot. They had nothing to gain from voting against. It was purely a strategic vote and had nothing to do with their future intensions.
With a $20 million buyout? Yeah, I think they might stick around.
Will pay multi-millions to buy out a coach just to PAY him, and not pay $20 million to makes Ten's of millions more EVERY year, I don't know what to tell you. If anything, this is a shot at other same conferences so that no one leaves for anything not SEC/B10.
And as for the previous post, it's easy to vote for something after Florida has already blocked you going to the SEC. Still wouldn't stop them if that's where the world turned. Everyone thought the Big 12 was stable after they all banded together...for not even a year. The SEC still needs another team. And everyone east of Austin and south of Columbus would kill to get in.
"Tens of millions" more? No. The difference is like nine million and that's assuming BTN revenue projections hold. Nine million at best. And what good is a little bit more money per year if all your competition gets the same thing? That's where people always lose sight of things. The point of making money is not for the money's sake. It's so you can compete. Conference realignment is about competing, not scooping up cash in a race for Monopoly money. It so happens that the money helps you compete, but it's not the only thing.
And whether or not it's because of the buyout or because Florida blocked them, it's all the same: FSU is staying put.
The point of making money, in this case, is to fund all the other sports. These contracts will, through TV money, network money (in the BTN's case), advertising, keep the books of these schools in the positive. This money helps keep wrestling, girls volleyball, track, baseball, and any other sport (besides men's basketball and, in some cases, men's hockey) up and running.
My point was that basketball was a big factor for the ACC in inviting Syracuse and Pitt. Their basketball money is not chump change. A 9 team ACC was getting $30M/year in 1999 from Raycom.
No doubt Pitt would prefer to join the B1G, football means more, but basketball is playing a part in expansion.
Acting rationally. Over 12 you don't have a conference, you have a league with two sub-conferences that will inevitably split because you never play each other.
I think all of this is leading to Divisions within a League. If you have the Pac-16, SEC-16 and ACC or Big East with 16, you have the rudiments of a new Bowl Coalition. If that happens, it wont be long before the Big 10 bumps up to 16 teams so that they don't get shut out like the last time there was a Bowl Coalition.
If this happens, Division 1A gets the playoff that people have been clamoring for but not the playoff that will make teams like Boise State and Utah happy.
the two sub-conference champions playing for the 16 team conference championship are the first step in a 8 team playoff system.
The chess pieces are moving on the table to get to this place. The Big East and the Big 12 are done. Now the question is, do we pull some more crown jewels, or do we sit and wait and pick up the pieces? (ND by the way has to move into a conference to be able to play for a NC, so there is one.)
Schools named, here in cbus. Rutgers, BC, Texas and ND (in that order, as far as each schools interest in the B1O).
Notre Dame can go suck it, as far as I'm concerned.
BC? Adding BC and ND would be interesting. ND would have 4 rivalry games in one conference (UM, MSU, BC, Purdue).
Ad natural regional rivals, OSU as long time recruiting and occasional play rivals, and the renewal of the series with PSU. It makes perfect sense....unless you're Notre Dame.
Not interested in BC. Good undergrad but no research. Football team in severe decline. Basketball is meh. Don't draw well (though might, might give BTN the Boston market). Hockey is about the only benefit.
I guarantee that Delaney has a few schools that he has been in contact with. There is absolutely no reason why the B10 would go public with anything right now. We're in a pretty good position of being able to choose who we would want without having to stretch on any school.
has just boxed us in a little, and the Pac 12 is about to as well (depending on what Texas and Oklahoma decided).
Has anyone looked at how all of this expansion affects a university's sports that are not big money makers? For instance, with Texas A&M joining the SEC, how does this affect sports like soccer, volleyball, track and field, etc. These sports already cost a school more money than they bring in, but that defecit is only going to become larger since the teams need to travel farther for games, meets, etc. Coupled with the increased cost of travel is that increased travel distances probaably mean more missed classes for all of these student-athletes.
oh please, won't someone think of the children?!? I think we've burnt that bridge a long time ago.
I'm fine with 12 teams.
More teams is not better. It's not a competition to see who can get the most schools. If we have more teams, then we play the teams already in the B1G less, and I don't want to do that. Keep as is. No reason to change.
UT and ND or GTFO
During the last wave of rumors and chaos, only 4 teams actually did anything - and the Big Ten got easily the best of that batch that time around.
For now, the strenght is to wait and not come off as desperate. Teams will call - as Rutgers allegedly has - and the Big Ten will wait until the time and the schools calling are right, and they will add schools that bring financial and competitive benefit while fitting the Big Ten standard academically. Until those schools call and the time is right, no need to panic. Let's at least have our first Big Ten Championship game before we try to tack on some more teams.
Slippery Rock or no one
ND: Obvious. Money, tradition, geography, all around win
Mizzou: St. Louis/KC market, and they'll be another Iowa/MSU/Wisconsin like team that'll be solid and vie for the Big Ten title every couple years.
then just end it there.
and what about baylor? they look up n up. plus good academics, texas recruiting market. just throwing out a possibility. and of course ND
Man, settle the hell down. One, why is it that if other conferences add a school or two, automatically the Big Ten must as well? Where is that written down? Two, you should hear ACC fans bag on Swofford for inactivity and letting the ACC get destroyed - before it even happened. Or came close to happening. Now as it turns out none of that criticism was true, what with the ACC likely being the first conference to 14 AND a vote of loyalty/confidence from all 12 existing members in raising the buyout. Gee, maybe these guys know what they're doing. But I guess it's fun to get drunk and sit around going OH MY GOD WE'RE TOTALLY DOOMED and acting like Delany's fapping off to porn while the Big Ten burns around him.
Sorry, but this is a Henny Penny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henny_Penny) post.
Are we supposed to believe that Pitt and Syracuse are going to meaningfully shift power to their destination conference?
I honestly thought both would be better fits for the Big Ten than Nebraska (football aside, of course ... a very significant aside), but they're both meh-ish compared to fish like ND and Texas.
It's my understanding that Notre Dame won't give up its football independence unless there is no place for its other sports to play and the new conference demands that ND bring football with it.. So if the Big East implodes then the B1G makes sense for ND, though who knows... strange things are happening and stranger things are gonna happen before this is over.
As far as ND goes, if there were a playoff system where one or two teams from each large conference were selected, exactly how would you deal with schools that are independent, particularly if only a couple ran successful programs? It seems like ND might have no choice but to join a conference.
Even 12 seems a bit unwieldy - really, the only reason it makes sense is because of the payoff you get from the title game. Otherwise, I'd prefer ~10 schools in a conference.
The only reason the B1G would need to expand is if the rules for the BCS change so that there's an extra autobid for the megaconferences, or we take someone, like ND, that immediately puts the BTN on basic cable in every household in the country. All things being equal, I'd rather we stay put
As far as 16 team conferences - really, that's either just a silly thing that failed in the WAC, or two 8-team conferences that have a playoff to decide who gets the BCS bowl berth.
our conference is awesome as is. great academics, great athletics. the bond between big ten schools is really strong too. we have stability that most other conferences dream of so I am in no way hoping that we'll bring in other teams and destabilize some of what we have. we're the rock in conference expansion
Man, can we dick punch the next person that suggests any of the following in the B1G:
1. ANY BIG EAST TEAM
2. ANY Big XII team not named Texas.
It's irritating to hear things like "let's add Pitt and ISU and that'll give us just as many teams!" There's all of 4 schools that could add enough value to justify their addition:
2. Notre Dame
3/4. UNC/Duke combo pack.
Since 3/4 is NEVER HAPPENING, 2 will only happen at the end of the earth, and 1 will only come once the Pac-12 says no to LHN and the ACC also says no. Ergo, it's not happening.
The B1G isn't expanding just to have more teams. Stop thinking it's some arms race. It's not. No one wants to fucking watch Pitt play Purdue while Rutgers and Indiana battle it out. So just stop people. Just. Please. Fucking. Stop.
I wouldn't be so sure on the quick dismissal of one and two. The mouthpeice of Texas just had a post on how Texas to the ACC talk is dying and that the ACC is moving without Texas.
(I actually think if the B1G ever adds more teams, it will be Texas and ND, but I'm hiding that opinion because I'll believe it when I see it, and I'm completely tired of hearing people suggest Rutgers so OMG BANG GUN HEAD DEAD!)
I can't believe there are people that would actually bring up ISU. That school is dead weight. Every time I read ISU in conference talk, I think of the great Maize and Brew peice last year, College Football Highschool.and how they were portrayed.
Delaney issued a statement this evening that seemed firm about the B1G standing pat.
I think sticking with where we are would be a good idea. The only teams that move the meter either aren't truly interested in the B1G (e.g., ND) or might eventually destroy it (e.g.,Texas).
Rutgers? Really? Why?
I can't get over any one thinking Rutgers brings anything. Their football team is the worst the Big East, I'm not even sure they have a basketball team, and they're in financial ruin.
If we must go to super-conferences, this setup would not be terrible IMO. I'm not 100% on the final team, but I feel like Missouri and Pitt are good additions to the footprint and boast solid football and academics along with Pitt's powerhouse basketball. It cements PA as a B1G state and grabs the Kansas City and St. Louis markets. ND is a logical academic school that already fits nicely in B1G country and will bring in $$ in TV contracts and "move the needle" nationally.
I'm not so sure who to give the final invite to. The debate over Oklahoma is a tough sell due to greater cultural/academic differences than any other expansion teams on this list (Nebraska and Penn State included). Kansas is a meh addition that does boast a historic basketball program yet brings little else to the table, however, I don't think it's plausible to expect all 4 schools to be home run additions. Anyways, here's my 16 team B1G:
I also think there should be a new scheduling philosophy. While the division opponents should alternate home and home, I think the two crossover games should rotate every year. For example, Michigan plays Wisconsin and Northwester year 1, Illinois and Nebraska year 2, Minnesota and Missouri year 3, and Iowa and Kansas/Oklahoma year 4. One of these two would be at home and the other on the road and the two would flip in year 5. This way, every senior will have had an opportunity to play against the whole conference at least once instead of not seeing opponents for up to 8 years.
NOTE: For the record I do not like the idea of super-conferences, this is merely how I would do a 16 team B1G if it must happen.
And the 13th team will be ND, eventually. Some lucky team will get the 14th and final spot one day. We will probably have to wait a few years since ND will probably only jump in after all the major conferences realign.
They're quite willing to add mid-major schools for football. Most, maybe all of their schools have nowhere better to go. Their basketball contract is much more lucrative than any non-AQ conference makes for football and basketball combined.
A fair schedule with 13 teams in two divisions is problematic, unlike 11 teams in one division. Either some teams won't play everyone in their division or they won't all play the same number of conference games.
The ACC is angling to land ND, or possibly a ND/Texas combo. They're also now the conference that Penn State would really like to join if the Big Ten was not already showering them with money. Just throwing that second point out there...
No, PSU would not want to join the ACC if the B1G didn't already shower them in money. Are you kidding, PSU is a great fit in the B1G. The ACC is a basketball conference with smaller, undergrad focused schools. PSU does not want to be in the ACC.
The ACC could never give PSU what they are making in the Big10 unless they really wanted to short change the exsiting members.