What MSU target would you be most concerned about?

Submitted by Bodybag on September 29th, 2023 at 6:17 PM

Have been keeping tabs on the targets for MSU. Many of the names are kind of blah or the hot name du jour. Wondering who we would be the most concerning reasonable option that they might actually get to rebuild their program?

Out of the names I've heard Lance Leipold would actually give me pause. He's won literally everywhere, taken downtrodden programs to the top in a few years and maintained a high level.

I'd prefer they take Hartline for obvious reasons...

MGlobules

October 1st, 2023 at 9:38 AM ^

Urban. Would be a chance to pound that sleazebag and his already-sorry rep into fine powder once and for all.

Not that he would take it. He's only ever going to grab a situation where he can be experience football rebirth on third, like Day. Have it handed.

Would love to hand him his behind instead! Jim might even be willing to stick around for that!

And my hunch is that his spread option insights are outdated.

Anyway, who wouldn't want to see two successive coaches drummed out for egregious sexual indiscretion at MSU? Could be bonus material with Meyer.

I say this, btw, as the holder of a PhD from Florida. Where, in more thoughtful quarters, the man is despised.

#yupIreallydislikeurbanmeyer

MgoBlowww

September 29th, 2023 at 6:20 PM ^

None. By the time current players transfer and the 2024 class starts to de-commit this is going to set MSU back 10 years. That’s especially bad seeing how their program was already in the shitter. 

Vote_Crisler_1937

September 29th, 2023 at 8:37 PM ^

With the transfer portal how could any good coach be set back 10 years at any program? If MSU hired a young Mark Dantonio today he would have an even easier time building the program than he did before. I’m not saying MSU will hire a good coach, certainly not a given. If they do, they can turn it around reasonably fast. 

unWavering

September 29th, 2023 at 6:25 PM ^

Leipold is old-ish and he'd be walking into a total rebuild. It would take the majority of the rest of his career to get them to a place that would threaten us imo.

He's a great coach but I think if they were smart they'd go with someone younger 

Perkis-Size Me

September 29th, 2023 at 10:22 PM ^

Leipold has another year or two, maybe three, to jump ship for a better program, if he wants to, before he’s in that range where he might be considered “too old” to start over.

He’s going to be sixty very soon. That’s not OLD old for college football, but it’s still old. Same age, roughly, as Harbaugh. You figure wherever he goes next it’ll take several years to build that program up and by then he’s in his mid-late sixties, so assuming he pans out you’ve got maybe 5-7 years, MAYBE, before he hangs it up.

Leipold is a great coach, but if I’m interested in him, I don’t wait any longer. I pull the trigger now because he may not coach more than another ten years before retiring anyway.

Leaders And Best

September 29th, 2023 at 11:28 PM ^

It's not old for college football, but it is old for a hire in the Power 5 for a rebuild. There are only a handful of coaches in the Power 5 older than Leipold, and most of them have been established at their program for a while. The list: Mack Brown, Saban, Ferentz, Kyle Whittingham, Brian Kelly, Sam Pittman, Chip Kelly, and Jim Harbaugh.

The NFL is the same way outside of Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid. The trend is moving toward younger head coaches not older.

J. Redux

September 29th, 2023 at 6:25 PM ^

What kind of defeatist crap is this?  Why would I worry who's coaching Little Brother?  Sparty is an invasive species -- anyone who shows up to coach will be transformed into Sparty anyway.

J. Redux

September 29th, 2023 at 6:29 PM ^

Upvoted because I agree with the sentiment; downvoted for allowing him to self-assign a nickname.  So it's a wash. :)

Anyway, given how little concern he has for his team or their fans, compared to the media coverage he craves, I think we should call him Big 10 AM Kickoff.

Bo Harbaugh

September 29th, 2023 at 6:28 PM ^

Such a middling program...any good coach not name D'antoninogiornio will use it as a stepping stone.  

That guy also lucked into UM wandering in the wilderness and PSU coming off the Joe Pa pedophile scandal violations / sanctions.  Like most of its history, MSU is a regional program like Mississippi State, North Carolina State, Washington State, Oregon State, etc, etc that in their best years should average 7 wins a year. They were never truly nationally relevant outside an era of blue blood programs in the conference stepping on their own dongs.

They'll always be a thorn in the side of UM, just because rivalry/big brother, but unless Urban or Sean Payton walk through that door, they will remain middling at best.

A better question is...

"Who can OSU target (shall Day lose his 3rd in a row to Harbaugh and miss the playoff) that would concern me?" - Mike Vrabel.  With their talent, facilities, etc and his coaching chops, toughness and style of coaching...very, very concerning.

canzior

September 29th, 2023 at 8:31 PM ^

Vrabel is interesting...they would certainly resemble more of an old school team, but Vrabel isn't great in the NFL the last few years, you could definitely make a case for them underachieving, and he has no interest in college or at least 10 years ago, he didn't. Something really drastic would have to force him back to college, and he would stay long enough to get an NFL job. He doesn't care for many aspects of college coaching. 

ThadMattasagoblin

September 29th, 2023 at 6:35 PM ^

Hartline would boost their recruiting but I am not convinced on his coaching ability. The OSU WR group has actually underwhelmed quite a bit this season. The offense as a whole struggled to get 17 points on a leaky ND defense.

MGlobules

September 29th, 2023 at 6:35 PM ^

I think it would be great if it was someone with no historical connection to the antagonism between the schools, who quietly carried them back to mid rank status. What they need more than wins is to earn back some dignity. 

Colt Burgess

September 29th, 2023 at 6:57 PM ^

Hartline is waiting for Day to lose to Michigan again. MSU is a stepping stone job. Going there under current circumstances could seriously crater a young coach's future prospects. They'll settle for a guy who is looking for a paycheck and doesn't mind being a bridge to the next coach.