Welcome to the Hotel California

Submitted by The Mad Hatter on March 19th, 2020 at 10:01 PM

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave (your house).

Governor Newsom just announced that the entire state is under a mandatory shelter in place order. Apparently that report showing that 58% of the state would be infected within 8 weeks made an impression.

Any news from our MGoCalifornian's? Do you have enough toilet paper?

Have to figure more states will be soon to follow.

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Not A. Toomer

March 19th, 2020 at 10:09 PM ^

Can someone please buy the governor a vowel? I always feel like his name should have an E at the end 

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Jon06

March 19th, 2020 at 10:22 PM ^

Read the paper, not the researchers' hype.

"A total of 26 patients received hydroxychloroquine and 16 were control patients. Six hydroxychloroquine-treated patients were lost in follow-up during the survey because of early cessation of treatment. Reasons are as follows: three patients were transferred to intensive care unit, including one transferred on day2 post-inclusion who was PCR-positive on day1, one transferred on day3 post-inclusion who was PCR-positive on days1-2 and one transferred on day4 post-inclusion who was PCRpositive on day1 and day3; one patient died on day3 post inclusion and was PCR-negative on day2; one patient decided to leave the hospital on day3 post-inclusion and was PCR-negative on days1-2; finally, one patient stopped the treatment on day3 post-inclusion because of nausea and was PCR-positive on days1-2-3."

They gave hydroxychloroquine to 26 people total. 3 of those 26 had to go into the ICU despite the treatment. A 4th one died. A 5th wandered off, and a 6th found the nausea intolerable.

There may be a treatment regimen here, but not for people who are already too sick, and it's not 100%. Don't be an idiot.

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Jon06

March 19th, 2020 at 10:25 PM ^

By the way, notice that the person who died is claimed to be free of the virus the day before they died. Did the medicine kill them? A medicine that kills 1/26 people you give it to is not a cure. It's deadlier than the disease itself. Use your brain to obtain and process information, not to engage in conspiracy theorizing.

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Desert Wolverine

March 20th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^

While I do not buy the "agenda 2030" idiocy, nor the claim of 100% cure, you need to expand your awareness as well.  The hydroxychloroquine, combined with zythromax is being used right now in New York (keep in mind while not "approved by the FDA" for Covid19, it is an approved drug and Doctors can utilize it.  One hospital in NY has a little over 100 confirmed cases and 0 deaths utilizing the combo.  SO there is much more than one non-clinical survey.  Yeah, yeah, you can go ahead and attack me for buying anecdotal evidence, but there are more uses than you might care to admit of the cocktail they are talking about.

And for those who are all in for cratering our economy by locking ourselves inside our abodes, here is a little data from the CDC.  35 million cases, 179,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths from October 2019 to March 7 2020, from wait for it...…  The FLU.  I will go on record right now and say the Flu will kill more Americans than COVID this year.  Compare if you will the 22K Americans killed by flu  to the ~10K worldwide from COVID.

and for those who live by citation, here is the CDC website

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

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OldManUfer

March 25th, 2020 at 11:42 PM ^

Time will tell on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. Already there's at least one study, albeit small, casting doubt on the treatment regimen. Even taking your claim at face value, it's not all that unlikely that 100 patients would survive a disease with a mortality rate that has varied in the range of 0.5%-3%. That's leaving aside the question of how many of those cases are closed or required the ICU or ventilation. I'd love some good news on this front. Until then, it's premature to allow the possibility to have any effect on policy.

As for comparing this to the flu: no one will be able to definitively say what would have happened had we not taken these drastic steps, but early estimates put it in the hundreds of thousands or even millions. While the truth is that no one knows, it's not unreasonable to listen to epidemiologists in the face of uncertainty over a new disease. They, of course, could be wrong, but you haven't offered any evidence or reason to trust your gut feel over their warnings.

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J.

March 20th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^

No, it's still censorship if MGoBlog does it.  It's just not a First Amendment violation unless it's done by the government.

There are times when censorship by private parties is warranted.  Brian doesn't have to allow his forum to be used to post misinformation.

 

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Special Agent Utah

March 20th, 2020 at 2:23 AM ^

It’s actually better to listen to the hundreds of medical professionals who have weighed in on this and the state of a vaccine being several months away at the earliest, as opposed to some random person on a message board who just says “Oh it’s 100% curable right now.”
 

Especially when the information he posts shows that only 19 out of 26 patients were “cured”, which, if my math is correct, is 73%, and one person died after receiving the drug and supposedly being cured. Which, again according to my math, is a 3.8% fatality rate, possibly due to the drug, which is almost double than the current fatality rate from the virus itself in the US.

Call me crazy I guess. 

Math is hard, I know. 

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snarling wolverine

March 19th, 2020 at 10:49 PM ^

A highly infectious virus whose symptoms resemble those of the flu and which has an incubation period of up to two weeks ... you don’t think 1% of the population will get it?  I would bet that more than that already carry it.  Michigan suddenly has over 300 confirmed cases and most people with mild symptoms  aren’t even tested.

I don’t know about the 81% figure but with no restrictions in place, I’m sure it would infect a very large number of people. 

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MaizeAndBlueWahoo

March 20th, 2020 at 7:49 AM ^

It seems to me that it isn't particularly communicable at all, at least, not much more so than most cold and flu viruses.

Why?

Because if it were, there are two groups of people with 100% test rates who you'd think would all have it, and don't.  One is the passengers on the Diamond Princess.  The other is the Utah Jazz.

Even on a ship that was rightfully called an infection mill, with a long delay in taking any quarantine measures, only about 15% of the ship was infected.  And NBA teams share locker rooms and showers all day long - yet only two members of the Jazz are positive.

I feel like this does not get enough attention.  It should get at least as much as all these worst-case, 60% projections (which are "worst-case" but too often the media leaves that important word out).  You had two situations where people mingled about as closely as people ever do, and yet in both cases 15% or so were infected.  This is not a thing where we just didn't test some people because they didn't show symptoms - the whole team was tested.  Lots of possible explanations for that - maybe the virus isn't at all transmittable during the incubation period, maybe some people already have some immunity due to having had a coronavirus infection in the past (some coronaviruses are responsible for the common cold).  But I think once we get past this initial wave of fast growth (which is in large part due to testing catching up with actual cases) we'll find less communicability and severity than most of the falling-sky projections originally said.

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Darker Blue

March 19th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^

I'm not in California but I can tell you that I am absolutely terrified.

I have an autoimmune disease and not only am I worried about the virus I'm worries about supply lines breaking down and not being able to get meds

Good luck out west 

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