Thank you. Speaking as someone whose collegiate football experience was bookended by The Horror and Mississippi St., I can say that you won't find me feeling sorry for any students who cannot seem to watch their elite football and basketball teams play on a regular basis.
We Out: A student view of the new ticket policies
Elite football team. You crack me up.
Last time I checked, the only current undergraduate class to have actually witnessed a home loss would be the seniors...their freshman year. Sounds pretty good to me.
I'm just ranting for no reason because it's what people do on the internet. What is lost in my vitriol, and I am trying to say is that people need to gain a little perspective and put these sorts of issues into a larger context.
Also, yes, this team is far from elite, but at the same time far from the 3-9 and 5-7 products from a few years back.
1. The basketball situation was very poorly handled. I completely understand your plight and think Brandon really fucked this one up.
2. The skywriting is absolutely embarrassing and Brandon should do something like match MSU's fundraising efforts to try to save some face.
3. From a football standpoint you will not receive any sympathy from me or seemingly the majority of the alums. I missed one fucking game at Michigan while I was an undergrad and it was for a wedding against my will. I had to deal with multiple 4 loss seasons before being treated to our '97 championship. We actually made the decision to not tailgate for noon games because we looked so forward to each game. The decision to tailgate and lazily stroll into the games in the 2nd Q is justifiably being penalized IMO.
Our OOC schedules have certainly sucked and don't think that season ticket alums such as myself don't hate that shit too. But you reap what you sew and I doubt this is going to change anytime soon.
4. Go blue.
I'm with the students for the sheer fact that this policy was announced after tickets were purchased. Don't oversell the section by 50% if you're not going to tell ticket buyers from the start that's exactly what they're getting into. The whole "we'll give refunds if people don't like it" line only goes so far. This was a poorly implemented policy from an Athletic Department already treading on thin ice with the students' good will. Of course there's going to be pushback.
Why do so many care about what time students, or anybody, show up? If they paid, they can do what they want.
What if some rich guy bought up every ticket in Michigan Stadium for himself.
Then nobody would be in the stadium for the game.
Is it OK for him to do what he wants because he paid for them? I doubt youd answer yes to this hypothetical.
This is just a similar problem on a much smaller scale.
The athletic department is using an arguably distateful tactic, but I kind of like it.
The students eroded the trust of the AD by no showing after purchasing a scarce commodity, and the AD is taking a stand. We know the AD is a big money grubber, but I believe this move was made with stadium atmosphere as its primary intent, not incremental revenue.
I cant believe some people are so concerned about the ability of people with laissez faire attitudes about attending games to waste more precious space in the stadium.
Home attendance no longer matters
Can anyone please bitch with me about the NEED to raise student ticket prices and implement a fee in order to remove asbestos from the CCRB, but DAVE BRANDON NEEDED TO BUILD A 2.8 MILLION DOLLAR MARQUEE?!
I went to basically every game the last four years, and I thought the atmosphere last year was really really good for a lot of home games. There were empty seats at some games, but probably because there were too many students seats sold to begin with. The problem I have is that you promise 4500 seats and then change your mind at the last second. It comes off as manipulative and just increases DB's already precarious reputation.
There were too many empty seats bc too many tickets were sold, yet 4500 is too many to sell despite it being the best chance to fill the sections.
False. I'm saying either sell 4500 seats and deal with the fact that not every student seat is going to be filled for Binghamton, or just sell 3000 in the first place. Don't change your policy at the last second.
I also remember lots of games even last year where the attendance from the general population was subpar, to say the least. Even games like Arkansas and lesser B1G games.
the problem with selling just 3000 seats is that you cannot selectively remove all the people who wont show up. If you only get 54% attendance, selling fewer tickets might give you an incrementally higher % attendance like 65% or so, but you would still have like 1000 empty seats in that scenario.
It is the same way when airlines overbook their flights, knowing that a certain small % of passengers wont wind up making it or have to reschedule or whatever. Sure they risk everyone making it and thus having an overbooked flight and ticking some people off. But then they give out discounts or free airline miles or free tickets or whatever to make the problem go away.
Any student who consistently no showed games last year has no logical case to complain, though they may have a legal right to complain. But I dont know why people would much care that they are satisfied customers given their checkered attendance history.
Uhh because they're paying fucking customers. Comon seriously if I decide that I have something else to do on a Tuesday other than watch Coppin State in person, am I less of a fan? Seriously, watch a pro-game on a Tuesday night -- they don't sell out either.
"Comon seriously if I decide that I have something else to do on a Tuesday other than watch Coppin State in person, am I less of a fan?"
Ummm... yes, by definition.
Now - I'm not saying it's a bad or unwarranted choice - but that is exactly what it means.
...but does the blogger like anything about Michigan athletics aside from tailgating?
Seriously, though, do students like that ever think about how it must feel to be a player putting it all on the line each week only to see that thousands of students can't bother to put down a beer and get to the stadium on time? Yes, the AD policies may suck but if you are a true fan, aren't you there to support the players? The team? Dave Brandon isn't on the field. Gardner is. Lewan is. Jake Ryan will be. Fitz is back after an awful injury, too. These guys give up a lot-can't we show them our appreciation?
I don't agree with the new policy being introduced after the tickets were sold BUT the players still need and deserve student support. For me, no matter how much I disagree with the AD, it's all about cheering for the team.
"For me, no matter how much I disagree with the AD, it's all about cheering for the team."
So this is an interesting thought that I think might get at the heart of some disagreement. Do you go to football games to cheer the team, or because you want to be entertained watching a football game? For me it's 100% the latter, which is why I don't really feel bad about people missing games.
You don't see the team as fellow students to root on but dancing monkeys only there for your entertainment.
Why this point seems to escape pretty much everyone on this blog that isn't a student is beyond me. Nobody owes the football team or basketball team anything after you press "complete transaction" for tickets at the price the athelic department set.
Is it a really that crazy of concepet to go to a game for something other than entertainment? You're there to cheer on your team. They represent your school and your state. It's not just entertainment. If that was the case Michigan State would be broke by now.
Bahahahaha, you're ridiculous.
Wait a second, the football team represents North Carolina? I didn't know this! Somone notify McCrory! This changes everything!
Let me guess? This is you during the game: ''SIT DOWN SO I CAN WATCH MICHIGAN IN PEACE AND QUIET AND MAYBE OCCASIONALLY GOLF CLAP!''
Nope. Student section. Stand all game. Nice try, though.
Is it crazy to suggest that in order to get students in the seats, the AD should raise ticket prices and then reimburse X amount if dollars if a student ticket is scanned?
Let's say the student pays $500 for the football package instead of $200 or whatever it is today. If the student goes to the game and gets their ticket scanned, the difference between regular ticket price and student ticket price is credited to their account.
Obviously I realize not every student can pony up $500 at the beginning of every football season. I'm just trying to come up with a way to get people in the seats, make the AD however many millions they need, and to make the students semi happy.
Selling game tickets individually would be a much better idea than this one. If I want to go to Notre Dame and Ohio State this year I'd have to pony up $400 on the secondary market or pony up $300 for those two tickets and the rest of the shit games. Guess which one everyone is going to pick. They can take the leftover student tickets from Akron and sell them to the public to get their kickoff quota for seats.
Well yeah, selling single game tickets to students would be in the best interest if the student, but the AD would never do that. They guarantee sales by making you buy Delaware State and Akron to get OSU and ND tickets.
There already isn't a demand for tickets for bad match ups, and flooding the market with several thousand tickets in the student section won't work.
I wonder how these policies will be embraced by the next freshmen class. They won't have anything to compare them with and I would guess much more likely to accept them than current students who are being asked to adjust midstream. I'd like to think DB had a worthy long term objective than it appears but the way this was handled makes me believe otherwise.
Still don't tell me college sports are leaving students behind when your best memories are outside the stadium.
Let's say there is a restaurant called Allez Bleu, that had 20 dishes in the menu. While the restaurant is excellent and all food is good, not all dishes are great. For a few items in the menu, the average person would be willing to pay only $5 but the same person would be willing to pay $100 for two of them. The owner decides you have to pay $200 for all 20 dishes. So for the average person decides that he can skip a few meals he paid for - he was willing to shell $200 for the two things he really wanted to eat and the other dishes are a nice bonus that he may skip if he has to collect a couple of data points in the lab.
Well, the owner of the restaurant gets very angry at this behavior and decides that now, not only you have to pay for all the 20 menu items, you'll also have to eat most of the 18 dishes if you want to ever smell the two items that you were more excited about. The average costumer than gets outraged by this owner and says he doesn't want to eat there anymore.
Of course, there are always the people that LOVE LOVE LOVE the restaurant and thinks that you should love it as much as him and feel like you should eat every single item in the menu, including Akron and Delaware State, and are outraged by your outrage that you are being forced to eat subpar food just to get to the main course.
Of course, tickets are not food items - arenas don't change size so you have the same number of available tickets for each game and you kinda have to force the sales of season tickets or else Akron will have a lot of unsold seats. My point is that the people that don't go to every single game are not terrible people that should be stoned to death.
The AD policy of overselling tickets to fill Crisler is a fine policy from the risk management point of view. You get more money and it won't affect too much. Hey, that's standard practice among airlines. But there is a reason why airlines have such poor costumer ratings.
It honestly hadn't occurred to me until I read this thread how many people on this blog do not love Michigan football. I have always loved M football since I was little. It is by far my most favorite sports team / sporting event that there is.
I do everything possible to be in my seat for the band to take the field and I have never missed a kickoff. I want to savor every moment that I get to enjoy M football regardless of who is playing/coaching/directing athletics. I am now realizing how many of you just don't feel the same way. It's going to be tough for those of you that love it like I do to understand the rest of you who don't. I hope the AD can figure it out.
I would say that the people who skip games are those to didnt grow up rooting for Michigan football passionately.
Maybe its an academically focused kid, or a person who just wants to keep tailgating or partying, or an out of state student who is sort of adopting Michigan as his team because he now attends the school.
A bunch of people who bought tickets becuase they know its the thing to do on Saturdays or because we have a good basketball team, but who dont make it a priority.
It would be interseting to see if more student tickets are being sold, thus watering down the % of students who really care, or if about the same amount of student tickets are sold per capita, and it really is a problem of passion for Michigan sports.
Or it could be the same issue pro sports leagues are facing with so much new technology, watching on the couch with a flat screen and following convo on twitter and blogs etc. is just more relaxing.
"If students truly don't love Michigan sports as much as previous generations, what are the reasons for that?"
It appears to be generational. Apathy about pretty much everything seems to be increasing in society - and there even seems to be a cultural tendency toward apathy being "cool"
In the old days underclassmen would receive split season tickets if student tickets were oversold. The new policy avoids split tickets while allowing all students to attend most games that they want to.
Yeah, it's a bummer that they had to implement this policy, but it sounds better than the alternatives. On the positive side, it sounds like it's weeding out some of the whiners and complainers.
My big problem with the athletic department is that it is operated as a ruthless profit maximizer. This is a university and game day should be a fun and affordable experience for all - especially for students. Pretty soon you will see ads, corporate seating that goes unfilled against bad teams (especially in bad weather) and an incredibly stale environment (we are pretty far down this road). I am an alum and die hard fan, but I'm also not a fool with my money. It is hard to justify season tickets with a seat license, hotel, etc. I try for one football weekend now and a bball game and catch everything else from the comfort of my sofa or a Michigan bar. More and more people will make that decision but the athletic department will just sell additional corporate seats - it'll be Yankee stadium. Why are they tax exempt again? Or any professional sports team for that matter? And why should I donate money when the school doesn't need it and I have debt?
The point about the level of OOC competition is well-taken. Here is the complete list of teams Michigan played when I was an undergrad in Ann Arbor (some teams were played more than once during this period of time):
Duke, Cal, Navy, Vanderbilt, Washington, Missouri, Arizona, Texas A&M, Virginia and UCLA.
Every single team was a D-I, major conference foe except Navy, an independent. Today, of course, it's different, and despite my love for Michigan football, it'd be hard to get to the game early to see Michigan play some of the current teams on the schedule.
It's my belief that students who plunk down their money for tickets have no sworn obligation to attend the games. Brandon has their money, and while it's nice that he wants the students to attend and support the team, that's all he's entitled to. He is not entitled to make the game, which is ostensibly put on for the student body, a hassle for the students he is there to serve.
Yes, the athletic department is part of the university, and the university exists at least in part for the students who attend it.
As for the skywriting idiocy, one really has to wonder what this man is wasting money on, if things are as tight as he claims. If I were a regent I'd demand some accountability and make whatever bonehead in the athletic department thought that stunt up to pay it out of his or her pocket.
Then again, if I was a regent, I'd be pressing the administration to get into Brandon's shit anyway, since he is the most self-aggrandizing, annoying AD in the history of the school, and as far as I'm concerned, is ruining my game day experience in many, many ways.
This thread is a goddamn train wreck.
Until we can explain that, we're going to be able to explain anything else. Obviously there is something less appealing about the college football scene to the current generation of students. The current consensus for the AD and mgoblog seems to be that most current students are just sucky people...
For the past several decades we have watched the inexorable piecemeal removal of "college" from college football, and then we wonder why "college" isn't interested in it anymore
The athletic department made 11 million in 2011 and 15 million in 2012. This profit was earned while spending like a drunk sailor on facility upgrades. According to Brandon the department returns 2 million to the general fund (probably before the profits listed above) and finances are tight.
Ideally the bulk of this profit should go back to the university scholarship fund since the primary purpose of the university is supposedly to provide education and not promote sports teams. Athletics should enhance the educational mission of the school not just be a profitable side business. Since this crazy idea will never happen it would be nice If the department would at least stop trying to maximize profit from students and lecturing them on how to be a proper fan.
The university, including the athletic department, existing to serve the students specifically and the community in general. It's a public non-profit university and should not be run like a private company.
As an alumnus, and one who loves Michigan athletics, and as someone who rarely gets to go to games (because I live over 1200 miles away), I guess I could dump on the student body for not lining up for every game hours in advance or otherwise bending over backwards to get to/into every game. But I appreciate the piece that is being shared. I note that a lot of it is about basketball games, and one point that is raised in the piece is that none of these decisions have involved any kind of prior consultation with the students.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I consider collegiate sports to be first of all for the students of a given school. The competition is among student-athletes, and in many cases is between teams that were originally founded by students as a form of student activity (athletic competition.)
The debate going on here is framed almost entirely based on a premise that collegiate sports are in fact a business, to the point nowadays that the element of student attendance/participation is almost an afterthought. Something has been lost here.
Additionally, I agree with those who have raised the "divide and conquer meme" in this thread - the other people who are getting screwed, generally speaking, by the increasing emphasis on the business of collegiate athletics are the fans in general - and this includes alumni. As John Bacon points out in his new book, at some point something is going to have to give because folks are simply not going to continue to pay the kinds of prices that they are being forced to pay to enjoy college sports.
I was gonna stay out of this whole discussion... But in all the posts on the subject over the last couple weeks, I've not seen this little tidbit brought up. If it was and I missed it, apologies.
Let me preface by saying this applies only to student football game attendance. Basically, you all suck and here's why. You are at that game as a student at the University of Michgan. That means you are there to support your team on the field. Showing up late or not at all is disrespectuf to that team, they deserve better. Want proof? Read this comment from Thomas Gordon in the Akron postgame presser:
Was there an emotional letdown this game?
Gordon: "Well that can be an excuse, but we still expect to come out and execute and compete. We did not do that. But you know, obviously you see the stands at the beginning of the game, but it shouldn't affect you. This is a young team, and we can't let things like that affect the team."
There you have it, right from one of the leaders on the team - the student section sucked. He mans up and accepts it's no valid excuse for a poor performance. But it doesn't change the fact that it was noted and I'd be willing to bet it did make an impression on the team. Probably Akron too. So, leave your lame excuses in the dorm and get to the game.
You're a fair weather fan, there to bro out when UM wins and saving your money and bitching to friends about 'fucking Hoke' when you don't renew after a 7-5 season.
You sound petty and extremely selfish to constantly bitch about the quality of the team or opponent while greedily accepting a student discount to go to high profile games. And why does the team deserve it? Bc they feed off of it to provide the damn performance you demand, as well as the fact they're YOUR CLASSMATES
We now understand by your statements you aren't a fan of the team.
We get it.
1. I am being provided with an inferior product half the season. Now due to television, money and other factors, the scheduling in college football has gone to crap. In the Bo Schembechler days, Michigan played titans of college football
In this thread than that crap blog post.
He's disgusted by the reaction of "non-affiliated fans" when a lot of them are alumni.
He thinks the old policy worked, even though the empty seats prove him wrong. But then he thinks the pic from the Northwestern game is "nothing terrible."
As I said above, he's way overrating the memories he'll have from drunken tailgating. That Northwestern game was far more memorable than any tailgate. Unless you run into Kate Upton and get laid in the tent they all kinda blend together,
Why do students get labeled whiny and self-entitled? Because of representatives like this who complain about paying for upgrades he'll never see (though I'm sure he didn't mind the new dorm, labs, and other facilities he didn't pay for. Don't tell him how Social Security or Insurance work). And complaining about free donuts? "Thanks for the hand out but let me tell you how to spend your money on me." Fuck you, really.
He's disgusted by being called such things, but thinks it's ok to throw Devin under the bus. How many of the people complaining about attacks on the student have talked shit about one of the players the last couple of weeks? Show of hands? STFU.
The homework/lab/unexpected engagement thing is tired. 54% of the students don't have something "sprung" on them.
And if you use "totalitarian" in anything like this you might as well have gone full stupid and evoked Hitler.
I have serious misgivings about the English and Communications departments...
I don't get the big deal.. Plenty of other student sections are GA
This discussion made me ashamed for the athletic department and the blog, both.
The purpose of Michigan sports is to provide an entertainment for the Michigan students, and to thus entice more and better students to attend. Allowing alumni to attend these games appears to have been a mistake, as appears to have been the decision to allow them to be televised.
No amount of "but I paid more for my tickets than the students" can justify scrwwing over students so that non-students can gain a benefit. Pro teams do all the screwing over of students you could ask for (hell, they don't even offer discounted tickets to a lot of students). Student tickets at Michigan are not discounted; non-student tickets are inflated because, frankly, non-students shouldn't be at the games at all.
I'm an ex-student, not a student, but I haven't lost sight of why these university sports exist to begin with. The same, I am afraid, is not true of the empire built by outsiders like DB to take over those sports and "monetize" them in the pursuit of some hard-to-define-and-very-very-expensive-but-I-assure-you-well-worth-selling-our-souls-for goal.
"The purpose of Michigan sports is to provide an entertainment for the Michigan students, and to thus entice more and better students to attend."
The purpose of Michigan sports is to provide a chance to compete athletically for the Michigan students.
The AD should exist for the student-athletes, NOT the student-fans or alumni-fans.
Your point might be defensible if the football team recruited from students, but it doesn't, so your point isn't defensible Michigan's AD recruits from the high schools, and the only reason those athletes are at Michigan is necause the coaches offered them incentives to come and play.
Students existed before the games even began, and will continue oif the games disappear.
I love the teams and enjoy watching them, but I am not confused about why these games even exist. Student satisfaction should be seen as the priority, not as a burden to be ignored if the dollars are right.
But the teams came before the fans.
And they were originally made up by students. If you think it's evolved to something different that's fine. But saying why they exist completely in error doesn't make anything you say a convincing case.
You never understood why the University sports exist to begin with. They're for student athletes to compete in athletics (and now get scholarships doing it). They were not created for self-entitled studen enjoyment. You couldn't be any more wrong. Students (and alumni and fans) are supposed to come to SUPPORT their school, their team, and their fellow students. How you got it completely backwards is mind-boggling.
I think this situation can best be summed up as "some people are forgetting what it was like to be in college; party, class, hook up with girls(or guys), repeat 3 more times, graduate. Those are your priorities in school. Yes, you may have went to every game back in the '60/'70/'80/'90's but a hell of a lot of those games were not even televised so in order to see them you had to go. Not everyone puts Sports on a pedestal like we do here on this site, the majority view a game as a social function.
I think the AD got it right by shrinking the size of the Student Section for football when students revolted and didnt buy the tickets alloted to them in response to the GA guidelines but badly miscalculated for Bball (the policy reeks like an attempt to cover their asses). This despite the fact they tried to reinvent the wheel with these policies in the 1st place, its not like the B1G doesnt have any other stadiums that seat over 100k or anything or a successful bball program up the road which has the type of student section they are trying to replicate.
This is kind of a funny microcosm (macrocosm?) of the first RR year. Seniors were entitled and didn't embrace the change that may or may not have been for the greater good.
I was a student for the three years RR was the head coach. I am not sure how I would feel about DB jacking around with my tickets, but maybe we should see how it all works out and embrace the change before shitting all over the guy because it "isn't fair?" Seems like a very "Boren" thing to do. It sucks right now, but maybe it is for the greater good?
I completely agree with the students saying it's not right to sell something and then later change the rules of the transaction. That's not right and they have every reason to be upset over the timing of the announcement and how it was handled.
That being said however this entire issue can be settled farily easily. Stop selling student tickets at a discounted rate and then allow them to sell/transfer them as they so choose. Allow the market to dictate pricing for marque games as well as the crapola ones early in the year. That way the students have the same "skin in the game" as I do and if they choose to show up or not is entirely up them. My issue is subsidy of lower pricing that I untimately pay for in the form of higher prices only to have the subsidized ticket go unused.
I have four season tickets for football. I sold the extra two to the ND game for $300 each. I sold the extra two to the Akron game for $25 each. The market drove pricing and I have no issue whatsoever with letting the students buy and sell tickets as long as they pay the same price as everyone else.
You cant have it both ways. If you want the subsidy - strings in the form of mandated attendance and resale restrictions come along with it.
This. I like markets. Markets are good. If you charge market price for season tickets, maybe that SDT girl who shows up to her Soc 101 lecture once a month won't buy tickets because she knows she will never go.
As a season ticket holder, and alumnist, I have had to put up with the same inferior games that the author of the article lists. I agree the scheduling is horrible. But, I show up. 15 minutes before game time, the rest of the stadium against Akron was full for the most part.
No one is saying that the students aren't a very important part of the whole game day experience. The more students that attend, the louder the stadium gets. What everyone wants is the students to get to the stadium early and cheer loud. If that happens and Brandon decides to reduce the student section even further then you are justified to complain. Right now your argument is falling on deaf ears.
To the OP: I'm sorry, but I just could not read the linked opinion piece in its entirety. Perhaps my expectations were too high when you said, "It more eloquently gives the argument ...." When I began reading the editorial, I almost stopped at the title but granted that an 18 or 19 year old author might think hyperbole was just the ticket. I continued on and encountered some of the most clumsy and inarticulate prose I've read in some time. I'm embarrassed for the university and the student body if this is what passes for eloquence these days. Perhaps there's a good argument hidden in there somewhere, but I just could not force myself to read the entire work.
On Basketball tickets they have been flim-flammed. For upperclassment the change to GA screwed them over on seniority. The non-conference slate, and even in years like last year, the conference slate has been a dud. While Coach Hoke and the team may prefer noon games, 3:30 in September and October is better for fan experience. And for all this their ticket prices have gone up to supposedly cover something they are paying for somewhere else. Not to mention tickets were oversold (only the number available should have been issued by lottery and everyone else refunded).
All that said, I was at the Iowa game for Senior Day last year, the non-student sections were maybe half to 2/3rds full when the band came out. The student section was the same. It was a noon game - the last home game - on a beautiful fall day, and I am sure both students and non-students were enjoying tailgating with friends for the last time that season. Iowa, after all was not supposed to be a competitive opponent.
The difference? Alumni and fans sit in their assigned seats. Students move to where their friends are (who may be from different classes), and were pretty much GA seating themselves. So you didn't notice the checkerboard empty seats as much as and entire upper bowl. The funny thing is: as we saw for the Akron game, the GA policy doesn't fix the appearance. If anything it amplifies it. (Not to mention arriving 4 hours early is really a pain in the ass.)
I don't know the answer. The basketball system sounds like the airlines: some seats and rows can be reserved ahead of time with senority points playing in to when you can reserve, and rest are assigned at checkin (or in this case GA). If they hadn't oversold the flight, maybe that system is a better solution that doesn't result in the demise of the pre-game experience.
The question is what to do about unused tickets and late arrivals. Maybe it is time to consider giving away the no-shows at some point after the game has started at a discounted price.
As in BEFORE they start bitching about what options they have?
Try Duke, specifically for BIG games like UNC:
A) Buy expensive regular tix like everyone else and get to see whatever you want, or
B) Go for free - no cost whatsoever student tix - by camping out in tents weeks in advance. Requires teamwork and coordination (read DEDICATION) among student fans. I.E. if there isn't someone in your tent at all times, GONE to back of line. If majority of tent occupants (6) aren't there for random nightly check-ins, GONE... Or get in Walk-up line 48 hours in advance as 2 person team (1 must always be in line), and HOPE there's even a chance to get in if the tents don't fill up the section - you will NEVER get in for a big game. The whole thing is run by the STUDENT GOVT. it is CLEAR to all students how serious fandom is, and if you ever wonder why the CRAZZIES are what they are, try and wrap your brain around this.
Too much to handle? How about Kentucky? Simply a lottery. You must show up on the designated night and HOPE to be called in the lottery. Only then can you buy student season tix. There is NO "just buying them". It's not hard to imagine that with such limited quantities, people (other students) are chomping at the bit to get any tix the original winners don't want. I.E. ensuring a passionate, dedicated to showing up student body at games.
In this day and age of athletics, UM is lucky to have 2-3 sports it's students care so much about, but even the students must realize that space is at a premium. If anything, the loose, generous, entitlement type system in the past was horribly outdated. Welcome to the new world. Student perceptions will change, albeit grudgingly, but if UM proves to stay succesful in its sports, no one will care soon.
Or Oklahoma State University, where students can't buy just season football tickets. The only package available this year is football and basketball season tickets together at nearly twice what the football season tickets cost last year. But the students are getting such a deal! The only problem, of course, is there is no way to make as many seats available for basketball as football, so by doing this, they are overselling the basketball seating by several thousand and you had to buy those tickets even if all you wanted was to go to football games. They have also made it nearly impossible to sell tickets. Now, each ticket is tied to a specific student ID, so the days of selling unwanted tickets to other students is gone, unless someone happens to trust the person they're selling to enough to also hand over their ID to go along with the ticket.
Until the AD institutes general admission for the season ticket holders that sit across from the student section its all horseshit taking advantage of the students, I was at almost every game last year and for pretty much every single game that section was not full at tip, why aren't those ticket holders held to the same standard?
That section across is paying FULL PRICE. The problem with the students is they're getting a discount AND not showing up, when those seats could be sold for full price.
Now, I agree that in terms of looking at JUST paying ticket orders, things need to change too. There should be some sort of loss of priority points for every unused ticket. This would encourage even wealthy tix holders to make sure their tix are used, creating a full environment. Or, less prestigious fans might start to creep by them in pecking order if they are truly dedicated.
Can we just all agree that people born from 1995 - present day are probably the worst generation ever? God help us.