Urban Meyer calls out Herman/Muschamp
Urban Meyer took issue with Tom Herman this week after making a comment that seems to place blame on the fact that these aren't "his players." Meyer also mentioned Muschamp, as he was the coach hired after Meyer stepped down, and Muschamp had similar things to say. Now in Herman's case, he is replacing another Urban Meyer disciple in Charlie Strong who was a Florida DC for 4 years.
His point is, once you sign the contract, and take over the team....they are YOUR guys. I agree with this sentiment, and it seems like a built in excuse for new coaches. I can't help but think that Harbaugh agrees with Meyer on this one.
EDIT: How many coaches in the last 20 years have won a NC in the first 4 years with their new team? Carr, Tressel, Saban, Miles, Meyer, Stoops, Fisher...not sure how long Dabo has been at Clemson. You HAVE to win with "inherited" players.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
Yeah man, losing by a field goal to a team that went 13-0 and beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl is terrible.
But that's not even the point. Rich Rodriguez inherited an offense with virtually zero experience. I think there was like 3 combined starts along the OL, and definitely a QB with no game experience. So what was he supposed to do, exactly? Install an offense that isn't his core competency, so he's training his young roster for a new offense that they won't even be running the next year? He was hired precisely to modernize a stale program.
Beating a dead horse, yadda yadda, but for some reason this moronic argument still irks me.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^
Yes, that's exactly what he should have done. Great coaches, like Harbaugh and Meyer, adjust the scheme to fit the players. RR spent 3 years jamming square pegs into round holes.
Fuck, just leaving the DC alone to handle the defense how he saw fit would have bought us a few more wins.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^
I am not suggesting that he is a great coach, but this specific argument doesn't make any sense at all. What are the specific offensive square pegs you're talking about? QB is the obvious one, and it isn't even that obvious considering he's coached effective passing spreads in the past.
But even if you go to a pro style offense to coddle your QB, you are doing that to the detriment of the other 10 positions on offense. Your OL, WRs, RBs, TEs are all being coached (less effectively) to do something that is not what they will be doing from the following year on out.
To be clear, I am not defending RichRod. I am defending reason.
September 7th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^
is that the University of Michigan should never, ever, ever, win only 3 games in a season.
I went back to read some preseason projections from the 08 season a while back and most of them were saying it might be a down year. A down year being at least 7 wins.
We never should have hired him. And he probably shouldn't have taken the job.
September 7th, 2017 at 11:42 AM ^
September 7th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
Meyer has never really bothered me. Florida had a ton of disciplinary problems under him, but OSU doesn't seem nearly as bad as those teams were off the field. He's never demonstrated a bad attitude, he respects the rivalry, and he's spoken out about issues of mental health. He's a hyper-competitive person who coaches the bad guys, but I don't get the impression from what I can see on the surface that's he's rotten deep down inside.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:08 AM ^
I feel dirty for agreeing so wholeheartedly with Meyer on this.
September 7th, 2017 at 10:24 AM ^
My sentiments exactly.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:09 AM ^
September 7th, 2017 at 8:14 AM ^
He was correct in acting like he was retiring so he could get the hell out of dodge.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:39 AM ^
Ya Urban there your players until Tebow is gone and your going to lose some games. Tough talk for a guy who abandoned Florida because the future was not as rosy as he would have liked. Funny how everyone forgets about how he left Florida, especially osu fans as they were his worst haters until he is their coach. The man is right on this one, but of course he inherited a vast of riches at osu so quite easy for him to say.
Don't really like positive comments about that guy. He ran out on Florida, unless you believe in some fake ailment that has just disappeared as he has gotten older. He's all good when things are going his way, but eventually history will repeat itself and he will quit osu also. The Big Ten east is going to put a fork in that guy eventually, with Harbaugh leading the way.
Of course with Herman being a disciple of the evil empire, watching Maryland kick his ass was awesome. Fleck's another disciple of that place so watching that shit team fail is going to be a real joy. I do like Wisconsin's and Nebraska coaches as they are definitely class acts. Unlike the puke in Columbus. The real Question is who really is the biggest piece of shit who ever coached at that place. I have Meyer and Hayes tied for B.P.O.Shit.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
was plugging a grad student (or 3) at Florida and that's why he left. Or am I thinking of someone else?
Fuck him either way.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^
beat me to it
September 7th, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^
"He's all good when things are going his way, but eventually history will repeat itself and he will quit osu also."
People have been saying this for years. Maybe the ailment was made up and he left Florida for personal reasons (like banging undergrads) and used medical as a way to not embarrass his wife/family?
I mean, I hate OSU and Urbz, but dude is second only to Saban in coaching and general ass-kickery in college football. He's not scared and not getting "run off" any time soon. Or any time later.
September 7th, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^
...didn't his Florida players have a higher than normal amount of off-field issues? I don't recall the specifics...academics.. arrests... he may have well been having health issues at the time. Stress can be a factor.
He appears to have tried to avoid re-enacting the Florida team culture at OSU, which is to his credit. Still don't care for him. The image of him running and waving his arms on the sidelines, inciting the crowd at the Game last year is not one I can un-see.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:09 AM ^
This is the right thing to say and believe. This makes me happy OSU is our biggest rival.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^
Almost subtle, I'll give you that.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:15 AM ^
God Dammit. Why can't Meyer just be the total scumbag we expect the OSU HC to be?
But I'll admit - I agree with every word he just said. I cringed when I heard Herman saying that crap Saturday, thought it was a load of BS after the off-season hype he generated and fostered.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:20 AM ^
Saying the right thing doesn't wipe the sleaze off him.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^
Okay... This makes me feel better.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:18 AM ^
I think Brian Kelly expressed a similar sentiment as Herman.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-10-29/sports/ct-spt-1029-notre-…
"You can see the players that I recruited here," Kelly said Thursday. "You know who they are. We've had one class … that I've had my hand on. The other guys here are coming along. But it's a process. It can't happen overnight. They're getting there. We're making good progress."
September 7th, 2017 at 8:21 AM ^
Kelly probably still says they aren't "his players" even though he is in year 8. Wouldn't be surprif at some point he says "Our defene will be much better once we have my players, and not VanGorder's"
September 7th, 2017 at 9:20 AM ^
Because fundraising. Amirite?
Notre Dame Excuses:
1) Academics
2) Weather
3) Not everyone can adapt to [insert genius dujour here]'s complicated system.
4) Private school.
5) Fundraising
6) Pressure of playing at the school with the most tradition and mystique.
etc...........
September 7th, 2017 at 8:16 AM ^
It is the coaches responsibility to prepare a team for a game. Throwing college kids under the bus to sav e face is despicable. Those kids who are "not your players" couldve transfered when the coach that recruited them got fired. They chose to stick it out with you and you tell them that they are not the kids you want? disgusting
September 7th, 2017 at 8:49 AM ^
They can only transfer if the coach signs off on it, and they have to sit out a year. Carr is the rare coach who signed transfer authorizations before departing. And he is vilified for it... The player has no leverage when coaching changes occur.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:18 AM ^
Yes, it's the right thing to say - but also a bit disingenuous given Meyer's situation.
1) When he left UF they were depleted and no longer at the SEC championship level - and he cited "health issues" only to come back a year later to...
2) A completed stocked cupboard at OSU left from the Tressel years.
So while I agree with his sentiment, not sure hs is the best messenger for it.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:33 AM ^
Add the fact that he is lying about what Herman and Muschamp said, and it becomes the trifecta of sleeze.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:22 AM ^
I still hear idiots blaming Carr for RR going 3-9 and having the worst defense in Michigan history.
September 7th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
If I recall correctly, they lost a lot that year between Long, Henne, Hart, Manningham and Arrington. Not too many coaches are winning with Threet as your starting quaterback.
September 7th, 2017 at 3:23 PM ^
September 7th, 2017 at 6:07 PM ^
Counterpoint: http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.com/2010/11/attention-to-detail.html
There was enough talent on those teams to be much better. It proves that RR was a one trick pony and not a great all around coach.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:25 AM ^
September 7th, 2017 at 8:28 AM ^
I didn't take Hermans statement that way. He said
"If we all thought that we were going to come in here and in nine months sprinkle some fairy dust on this team and think that we've arrived then we're wrong."
How is that taking a shot at the previous staff, or blaming the players? I take that as him saying they still have some work to do before they can say they are back. This sounds like Meyer patting himself on the back for inheriting loaded teams, because he always came into really good situations.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:36 AM ^
Exactly. Herman was talking to his players as much as he was anyone else: there won't be any easy shortcuts to success. Meyer's lie about what he said doesnt change what he actually said.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:06 AM ^
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September 7th, 2017 at 8:37 AM ^
He left Florida a burning pile of crap. Turned his head on thugs for years in order to win. He hid behind Tebow while allowing players like Hernandez to do as they please. I will be surprised if the same thing doesn't happen in Columbus in a few years.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:51 AM ^
I had the same sentiments my man. Could not agree more. It will start this year with osu favored once again to win the east and fail, except this year no playoff. It will only take a slight crack in osu's success and as players leave early and recruiting wanes as Harbaugh and Franklin gain leverage.......................exit Meyer.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:53 AM ^
Meyer simply trying to rewrite the narrative around his own bio...
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/2178871-urban-meyer-flor…
September 7th, 2017 at 8:39 AM ^
September 7th, 2017 at 8:53 AM ^
That's a ridiculous statement. They fired Charlie Strong and now they have to endure whatever Herman does for at least 3 - 4 years. This is the guy they opened the vault for. They paid his $2.5 mill buyout and if they fire him, they are on the hook for $5 mill for every left on his deal.
September 7th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^
but I think the Texas fanbase is somewhat delusional in thinking that they should just be Great because they are Texas, their culture is broken and that needs to get fixed or they need to develop a meritocracy Like Harbaugh did. Then they'll see the results on the field.
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September 7th, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^
Way before RR, and the media didn't give that guy a break. His relationship with the media was the cause of the down fall of Michigan football.
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September 7th, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
but there were people that said at the time that Carr won the NC with Moeller's players...in fact, Lloyd could very well be a sort of antithesis to this, if you look at it in that way.
September 7th, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^
I think it was McShay at the first SOS who said Coach Harbaugh is starting to get 'his players' in here' or something like that.
Coach Harbaugh jumped in immediately and said something like "These are ALL our guys" referring to the roster. Coach jumping in there like that stuck out to me for some reason.