TRO granted against NCAA enforcing transfer rules
This is the first I've seen of this so I don't know all the details. But if this is accurate and the NCAA can no longer enforce its transfer waiver rules, it's gonna get crazy. It seems like there would be nothing to prevent a guy playing for one school transferring to any other school in the country to start playing games tomorrow. Not saying it's good or bad, but it would certainly be chaotic.
https://twitter.com/WinterSportsLaw/status/1735005625283649544
December 13th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
The NCAA sucks but a two week period of anarchy with no transfer rules is probably not for the best.
I'll caveat that this is the first I've heard of this, and I'm not sure whether "transfer waiver rules" means all the transfer rules or just a narrow subset.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^
I believe this means during “the 14 days multiple time transfers can play, and they or the school can't be penalized if by chance the NCAA wins on the 27th.”
It appears this applies to the guy at UNC (iirc) that the NCAA said couldn’t play earlier this year (despite a lot of mitigating circumstances) and anyone similar.
I also assume the next two weeks isn’t a transfer window.
December 13th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
Interesting that UNC’s bowl game is on the 27th (14 days) in the afternoon. Same day as the court appearance/decision.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:33 PM ^
Tez Walker got his rules waiver back at the beginning of October.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^
The NCAA never should have built a Death (Penalty) Star...
December 13th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
It seems like there would be nothing to prevent a guy playing for one school transferring to any other school in the country to start playing games tomorrow.
Meaning, we should start recruiting the portal for kids to come play in the CFP right now?
December 13th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^
We will take all of Georgia to spite Bama please.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
Could we borrow a cornerback from Iowa for a few weeks?
December 13th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^
Please try to remember that these kids still have to actually be admitted to and enroll at their destination school before playing, regardless of NCAA transfer rules.
December 13th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
Not a problem for Alabama
December 13th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^
Please remember that many schools who are serious about winning will do what it takes to get somebody enrolled. Most schools who are serious about championships do not go out of their way to sabotage the admission of top level players.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:35 PM ^
In fact, no schools "go out of their way to sabotage the admission of top level players." Some are more willing to sacrifice academic integrity for sports success, though.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:03 PM ^
Talk about the opportunity for advance in person scouting.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^
I'd think there are other eligibility rules that would preclude players from playing immediately but who knows with the NCAA rulebook.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^
I feel like this could have the opposite effect. One rule the NCAA enforces is the one free transfer rule. Under this TRO, theoretically the schools could refuse to allow their athlete to transfer to specific schools like before right?
December 13th, 2023 at 10:37 PM ^
Great point.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:07 PM ^
Not good.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^
Do letters of intent still exist? If so, isn't it between the student-athlete and the school? During this two week period, I would think most schools would not release a player from their LOI until they see how this all shakes out.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^
....so Marvin Harrison Jr is available for the Rose Bowl?
December 13th, 2023 at 2:16 PM ^
Sadly he would go to Bama to spite us. We need to find someone in the SEC who hates Bama. Like, the entirety of the Georgia team.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^
I'm willing to offer Milroe back-up reps to Orji in the 2 gadget plays we plan to run
December 13th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^
Go get some OTs and CBs!
December 13th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^
Auburn! They have anyone who can play?
December 13th, 2023 at 6:08 PM ^
After Semaj called MHJr a bitch, I doubt he would come here.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:12 PM ^
This is a foreseeable result of all the NCAA actions/inactions over the years. They have consistently lagged to preserve their financial position, rather than lead. Messy, and could get messier.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:44 PM ^
I don't think getting Messi helps, he's 38 and doesn't play our kind of football... perhaps he could be a kicker.
Or, if you meant getting Messier, that's really not helpful, he was a hockey player and retired years ago.
(This snarky comment is actually due to a story your post reminded me about. Years ago at Manchester City, over the summer the club's management was on the phone talking to the Saudi owner about possible deals that summer. They were talking about various players and the intricacies of the proposed deals. The owner, in broken English, said on the phone, something to the effect of, it will "get messy." Well, yes... the execs looked at each other, thought they were just told to try to buy Lionel Messi, so they sent a huge offer to FCB for Lio. It was rejected, phew... b/c they had no authority from the owner to do it. Or did they?)
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December 13th, 2023 at 2:16 PM ^
More people should sue the NCAA about all things related to "amateurism." At this point, if you have the resources to get the case into federal court, you're very likely to get at least some of what you want
December 13th, 2023 at 2:18 PM ^
FFS, that's the TRO gets enforced? One that could blow up the entire sport and could potentially allow in-season transfers and UM wasn't even willing to go to court?
December 14th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^
Michigan's case was very time-limited. Apples and oranges.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
Too much money involved in what's supposed to be amateur athletics by college students.
Take the money and the professional athletes elsewhere and leave college athletics to regular students.
These universities, most of them publicly funded, have entirely lost track of their primary purpose.
December 14th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^
This is my position as well. Universities should not be in the business of running professional sports teams; it does not serve any of the universities' missions.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:26 PM ^
This is incredible. I love it. Coaches can move at a moments notice when a new opportunity arises. Regular students can transfer for whatever reason they want as many times as they want (as long as the finances work out).
This is a nail in the ncaa’s coffin. Kavanaugh made it very clear in his Alston concurring opinion that it’s now open season on the ncaa. They’ve been so resistant to reason that it’s finally catching up to them. The overregulation and push against player compensation has put this in this position where they’re in the midst of losing its purpose. All of this could’ve been avoided had they been reasonable as times changed
the chickens are coming home to roost.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^
Of course the chickens are coming home to roost now they're no longer nervous.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^
It's clear now that the courts are not going to accept the concept that football players are students and a level of control that exists because of the university-NCAA agreement does not apply to football players.
If universities cannot collude to give the NCAA this power, then universities need some sort of legal contract with their football players.
This is just another step in transition from amateur to professional sport. The only question is whether the billions from television rights for the power-four football games and the NCAA basketball tournament will cost the 99+% of athletes in every other sport their opportunities to play intercollegiate athletics.
December 16th, 2023 at 10:46 AM ^
At some point, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of these athletes try to argue that the requirement that they actually attend and pass classes is a restraint of trade.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^
This can't mean that players can transfer mid-season and play, right? I read this to mean that cases like the UNC receiver who sat out because of NCAA douchebaggery wouldn't have to sit out. I know that's less fun, but that feels more like likely.
December 13th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^
I'm waiting for the OSU player to file a lawsuit saying the NCAA can't make him play school.
December 13th, 2023 at 3:52 PM ^
You are making an assumption which I feel may be incorrect. That assumption is - OSU players actually have to attend any classes in person. So, playing school is not a requirement in places like Columbus - and, I wouldn't be surprised is a similar environment didn't exist in Tucaloosa and Athens.
On an aside - if you think of the "APR" - which tracks Academic Progress of student athletes, I believe Michigan's football team's APR is "1.000" - perfect.
So, Michigan not only has players that excel on the gridiron - they're advancing toward their degrees as well.
Go Blue!
December 13th, 2023 at 3:32 PM ^
This always seemed like the most likely conclusion. Restrictions on movement by the NCAA seemed tenuous and assuming this TRO points toward a likely long term ruling this will allow student athletes to transfer without restrictions beyond what the schools employ for enrollment. I'm not sure if it'll be a net positive or negative for the sport but the earlier restrictions never made sense to me so getting rid of them is good.
December 13th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^
It seems like its time for the NCAA to attempt to re-invent itself.
They should redefine the entire relationship with collegiate athletes - and rewrite their By-Laws, rules, etc. - to bring them into the 21st century.
Emmert screwed it up beyond belief, and the atmosphere (collegiate sports) many of us enjoy - has been changed forever.
December 13th, 2023 at 4:32 PM ^
I think the NCAA is beyond salvageable. It's time for the Power 5 schools (at a minimum) to abolish the NCAA and create a new governing body from scratch.
December 13th, 2023 at 4:28 PM ^
You know, you would think that an organization that so often finds itself on the wrong end of high-profile court rulings would wise up at some point and do some soul-searching about its mission and purpose. I mean, these guys have been racking up L's since the Oklahoma Regents case in 1984.
December 13th, 2023 at 4:36 PM ^
Shouldn't the caption of the case read: THE WORLD FAMOUS State of Ohio, et al. v. National Collegiate Athletic Association?
December 13th, 2023 at 5:16 PM ^
We all love college football b/c it's so god damn wonderful.
But this has got to stop. We need some structure or the beauty will continue to be sucked away
December 13th, 2023 at 5:52 PM ^
Maybe Michigan should have hired these lawyers to get us a TRO in the Harbaugh suspension.
December 13th, 2023 at 6:34 PM ^
CFB has become a bit trash... When a player is developed, they leave. They don't stay for four years if good.
December 13th, 2023 at 7:31 PM ^
Hmmm... so you CAN get a TRO..
December 14th, 2023 at 6:55 AM ^
In West Virginia you can get a TRO. Everywhere but here.
December 13th, 2023 at 9:00 PM ^
Oops. Double post.