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TomVH: Wayne Morgan Update
Was looking forward to this announcement but I can wait a few days. Should still be one spot left for him.
Re-read that post. More than a few days...
We cannot wait more than a few days. We need instant gratification. Someone please tell Mr. Morgan to hurry up.
(obviously teasing, in case Mr. Morgan is reading this post)
no one was informed Wayne that we are only accepting committments in pairs...
Do you suspect this is because DB spots are filling up or some other reason?
that DB spots filling up would cut the other way.
I think it probably did, and now he's decided to slow things down and take his time. Nothing wrong with that. I'd rather him take his time and make the right choice for him, wherever that might be.
I am more skeptical than most, but I really hope you're right.
You say that he is holding off on his announcement. That's a very different thing than saying "I'm wavering on my decision."
I like the way you read.
You snooze, you might well lose your spot in this class the way Hoke & company are recruiting.
And one that needs to be made when 100% sure. The University of Michigan is an outstanding choice, and Wayne we of course hope you end up a Wolverine in the end!
Well thats sux. Hopefully he is apart of this class when its all said and done, but all for the kid making sure he makes the right choice. But this class is filling up very fast so I hope he is at least a silent to hold his spot.
for a player to be apart or a part of this class.
Can it be that reeves is the silent commit and his spot is taken?
Morgan was the silent commit.
While I completely agree Morgan is the silent commit. But I have never seen concrete proof (someone like Tom saying its Morgan). How are you so sure or what's your proof?
What's the point of being a silent commit if it's public? Come on.
Read Tom's post - Morgan isn't making a decision, he's making an announcement of his decision. Those are two entirely different things.
I just assumed that if a kid says he's delaying his decision, he's had a change of plans. And by change of plans, I assume he means that he isn't sure he'll commit.
You have enlightened me and reminded me that I need to carefully read what is written. Thank you.
He's been going back and forth on this, so I'm not even sure how definitive this is. We'll just have to wait to see what he does, and when he does it.
on the decision or on the announcement?
I assume Wayne knows that Michigan got two DB verbals this week and there is most likely one spot left?
Does he have any fear that someone might take his spot if he delays too long?
You're missing the operative words in Tom's post.
There's been a silent commit since last week. Morgan isn't making his decision in a few days, he's making an announcement in a few days.
If anyone was affected by the numbers crunch at DB, it was Standifer yesterday, because there was only one spot left.
Tom's post says that Morgan is delaying his announcement for MORE THAN a few days.
That's a distinction without a difference.
Cullen Christian was a silent commit for 6 months.
If Morgan has committed to Michigan, and his coach wants him to wait to make the announcement, I fail to see why that is a problem in your life. Worry about something worthwhile.
if he's holding off because, for example, his family is urging him to stay closer to home. From the sound of things, not everyone is as sanguine about the situation now that Morgan has delayed his announcement as you are.
"Not everyone" = anonymous Internet message board posters?
Sorry I'm not up in arms when Michigan already has 3 DBs in tow 8 months before Signing Day, and a CB/S who has named Michigan as his outright leader has decided to delay the announcement of his silent commitment.
suggestions from pay sites.
Ack. Big deal. If Morgan doesn't want to attend Michigan and play for Greg Mattison, some other highly regarded CB/S (Jarrod Wilson, De'Von Bogard, Will Hines) will. It's not worth worrying about 8 months before Signing Day, especially given the sheer numbers in the defensive backfield as a result of the 2010, 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes.
But having a consensus top 200 guy in hand is a lot better than not having a consensus top 200 guy in hand. Morgan was a recruit the staff seemingly had in the bag. All the other guys you mention are going to be more difficult to pull. That's not saying they can't get another equally good recruit, just that they're going to have to go back to work on it. That kinda sucks.
I wonder how small these comment boxes can get.....
For 1,000 points I can tell you the answer, but I will tell you more for 2,000. Donations from friends accepted, gold only.
definitively that Morgan was the silent committ other than you. You may be right, but in most posts they were distinguising between the silent committs and Morgan. Even Tom just said he is going back and forth and we will just have to wait to see hwat happens.
That could mean either back and forth on who he likes or back and forth on when he announces, but I haven't read anywhere that Morgan was the silent committ (except here, from people who I don't actually consider authorities on the matter of recruiting).
Anyway, again you may be right...I just haven't heard that he was the silent, just a lot of speculation.
"an assistant at Erasmus Hall - the coach who accompanies Wayne on most of his trips - and he says Wayne is holding off on announcing all the way until the Army All-American Bowl"
Here's to hoping that he will still go blue!
This was a decision HE made as to when to announce and is not just a function of the coaching staff attempting to prolong the spotlight on their program...
I have a feeling that he's getting pressure from everyone telling him he has time and shouldn't tie himself down right away. While there may be some ulterior motives such as keeping a spotlight on the program for longer or staying closer to home In the end stick to Occham's razor and realize the people around him are probably giving him what they think is the best advice. He'll probably go somewhere else and I wish him the best, but there's no need to think there's some Archie Collinsing going on or that Michigan is being Zetteled.
Morgan knows there is only one spot left, and depending on what he thinks Reeves will do is allowing him to wait it out a bit.
It doesn't seem like the wavering is because he's unsure about UM, so the actual date of the announcement doesn't really matter to me. What's important is that we're still his #1, so it's only a matter of time.
Good for him. I'd rather him hold off his decision now than decommit later. Take your time Wayne.
on why wayne is deferring his decision until he's completely certain.
we should take it as a sign of maturity. some recruits might see their positional spots filling up and think they should pull the trigger asap to reserve their spot.
But with the recent influx in DB's, perhaps theres another position group that we will gain some commitments from sooner. Ideally i would love to see the OLine and DT addressed, bc those seem to be the most glaring needs for this class.
If you'd like the O-Line addressed, you should be reading TomVH's weekly posts, where he mentions Tommy Olson is visiting next week, and also spoke very encouragingly about Magnuson's visit next week. And don't forget Diamond is still hanging out there and might move his decision up.
As for DT, Pipkins, Day, O'Brien and Jaleel Johnson are all out there.
You should be noticing a trend by now. First, the staff got a couple O-linemen. Then, it got a bunch of linebackers. Then, some defensive ends. Then, some defensive backs.
With eight months to go before signing day, the coaches only need 3-4 more OTs (with at least 2 naming MICH their outright leader), 2 DLs (with at least 4 naming MICH as leader or in top 3), 1-2 WRs (with two naming MICH as their #1-2) and maybe a QB (Kiel) or RB (Dunn). They're doing a fantastic job.
Do you mean 3-4 offensive tackles or just 3-4 more offensive lineman? Just curious, since we already have one tackle in Braden, 4-5 tackles seems like a lot. Can most of these guys also play guard?
I played tackle for one year in the 5th grade, so my o-line knowledge is rather limited.
I really don't know, and I really don't care. Get six linemen in - I'm certain Funk will figure out who should go where.
jg2112 without an opnion?!
Sounds like Braden could end up inside or outside.
I believe Braden is a combo OL where he can move to guard if necessary. If you take in 3 more OT, you can move Braden to guard. The staff has said multiple times that they hope to get 5-6 OL for this class, so it seems perfectly plausible.
what i meant. i do read his posts, and ive been paying attention to it. rather then saying "addressed" i really just shoudlve said "i am anxious to see what happens with the OL and DT". i do realize we are in on some very good talent, and i AGREE the staff has done a great job.
im simply, (like a lot of people) ANXIOUS to see some of those positions and how they shape up in the future.
is that better? seems like a lot of angst on here today!
is very often full of angst. I wouldn't take it personally. There was nothing wrong with what you said and most have here have the comprehension skills to have understood what you meant.
I think we need 2 more DTs, and at least one DE.
I'll take both Wormley and Washington, if I can get both.
"i would love to see the OLine and DT addressed"...its not like Hoke and his staff haven't offered quality kids on both sides of the ball, we just have'n received commitments at a flurry pace compared to other positions. Tom's weekly address quite a few quality prospects that we are in good standing with. I think we as fans need to really breath, back in early spring we we worried with the lack of commits, then it shifted to gaining commits too fast. I trust the coaches to eye talent and to get them blue, all will work out in due time.
as i replied above, i am more so anxious to see what the future commitments at those positions end up like.
i realize the staff has addressed it, i just am excited to see which guys choose M and when. thats all...
You'd like to see two offensive guards, two tight ends (one of whom may end up as an OT), and three defensive linemen commit more than EIGHT MONTHS before NSD?
/I Dream of Jeanie arm-fold-head-nod thing
Is there still a silent commit out there from someone (not saying it necessarily is or was Morgan)?
I'd rather have him wait to announce than announce to appease us.
Appease me, damnit!!!
Tom, can you address the rumors of his coaches trying to delay his announcement so that they can get a bit more attention around their program?
Tom could address that honestly and maintain his professional integrity?
Well, obviously, if Tom aspires to be just like Drew Sharp then he has some tough decisions to make, doesn't he?
I can see why he's torn between Michigan and Rutgers. Wait.....what?
Someone is ornery today
I don't think he's "torn" about anything. His coaches are the ones who convinced him to take all of his visits, thus why he's delaying his announcement more than a few days.
I also hope you consider yourself a dork, considering you're constantly trolling on here.
I think your material has lost some of its edge since the Barking Sphincter days.
Right, Mike Hart from NY saw the light. Michigan even as bad as we have been the last 3 years is a better option than fucking Rutgers. Please. Either or Im not going to sweat it if he goes elsewhere. We have been kicking ass in recruiting for a reason. Others have seen why Michigan is the place to be. Other have NOT.
Still a good start for the month of June. The staff got Gant & Standifer on board. We'll see what happens.
It would be a shame if someone else took Morgan's spot while he waits.
A little perspective for some of you. What most likely happened is his coach told him he should use his officials, to if nothing more, see a few new places. It's a good and once and a life time experience for a kid and it gets paid for by other people. Recruiting has become a pain in the ass for top prospects, why not enjoy some of the spoils before comitting verbally?
I'm just curious what changed so dramatically over the last few days... Is it really for the coaches or is someone else trying a power play last minute?
...take a few days to make a life altering decision!
Doesn't he understand his commitment will give me at least 5 minutes of satisfaction?
You guys are reading too much into the wording of announcement and decision. I was told today [not by Wayne] that there's a good chance he'll be taking all of his official visits now.
He's going to take his time because this is the biggest decision of his life, and he has city championships, then states for track coming up. To me it sounds like he's wavering, otherwise there's no other reason to delay the announcement. Timing or scheduling issues would mean they have to hold off on an announcement, wanting to make sure this is the right decision means there's something else, typically.
Like I have said before none of this is 100% yet. It's all up in the air right now, and I really don't think he knows what he wants yet.
If he's going to take his official visits, then he's 99% not coming to Michigan. Onto the next recruit.
Why do you say that? Do you think Michigan has left to offer than everyone else? Do you think Michigan's academics are worse? I don't get it.
This sounds like an MSU fans line of thinking.
IMO, if Wayne Morgan DOES visit other places then chooses them over us, the good for him. And our internal program needs to know why and fix it.
Again, IMO, i think he looks around, compares, and sees Michigan is the best. Now, by that time, his spot may be taken and he cannot verbal to us, but at least let the kid compare.
Thanks for all the updated information Tom. You definately help us to get the inside scoop on what the recruits are really thinking.
Tom, if we assume that Wayne was the "silent" commit, has he taken back that "silent" commitment? I don't want to compromise anything that you can't say, but was just wondering if the silent commit is still viewed as a commit by himself or the UM staff. I appreciate all the info that you share and any light you can shine on the situation! THANKS!
However, given our current recruiting situation re: DB commits already, any kid in his situation who wants to take more time—especially if he waits until an all-star game—shouldn't be thought of as a lock for UM, because he's willing to take the chance that the final DB spot will be filled by another guy.
that the vast majority of the posters here believed was the case a while back. If he is, in fact, the silent commit, my limited understanding of the process leads me to believe that his roster spot is secure. Perhaps he is already in the fold and is appeasing his current coaches by allowing a little extra attention to come his way.
I imagine the UM coaching staff will relay the exact message you laid out to Morgan. It seems unlikely that they would hold a spot for him until the AA game (which is in January, IIRC) and will aggressively recruit other players for the final DB spot in the class. At this point, I just assume Morgan will probably NOT be a part of UM's class if he chooses to wait until January to announce.
Don't let us drive you crazy. We love you already, so of course we'd like you to come to Ann Arbor and are confident you would feel right at home.
You, your coaches and ours know what's going on as far as the time line. But do what's best for you.
Patient and Understanding Fans
We have many needs yet and one place where we have a number of athletes is the secondary. Maybe the staff is waiting to see how the rest of the class fills out before taking another DB.
Everything I've read suggests it isn't a numbers issue. More that either his coaches or family (or both) want him to take more time and make sure he's making the right decision.
Let's not forget that he also has offers from Bama, Miami(FL) and PSU which to my knowledge he has not visited yet. If I were in his shoes I would want to explore all my options as well, especially having the opportunity to play at four prominent national programs
It's a huge decision and if he wants to take some officials to make sure it's best for him then that's what he should do. Unfortunately this probably means he won't be coming here because of the impending increase in attention of other schools and our current scholarship situation with DB's. Hoke isn't going to turn down one of the dozen 4/5 star DB's we are recruiting if they decide to commit before Morgan. And recruiting 5 DB's wont happen unless there's attrition this summer/fall or another DB decommits, I find it hard to believe that Hoke would be comfortable having roughly 20% of his squad being all DB types.
I think we're all forgetting he's a silent commit here. he has his spot he just needs to announce.
If he waits, likely he is not coming here, not because we don't want him, but because of realities.
Either way, I wish the kid the best.