this may be of some local interest
Temptation: ? about new tag ending
"Is it an attempt to squelch the "you suck" chant?"
Seemed like it to me.
Which of course, the students repsonded by yelling "you suck" even more.
Scotty B decided to add it in last year
It's the only moment I wince in the Big House. A classless jab that should be beneath our fanbase.
Especially considering we were the ones sucking, in many instances.
Easiest fix: play those last 2 notes and get the other 80,000 fans not doing the "you suck" chant to shout "GO BLUE!" Then it won't matter what 25,000 students do. Maybe it'll even catch on...
"Go Blue!" would make a lot of sense - and would get more fan participation in the chant. If the entire stadium chants "Go Blue!," that would be more intimidating than one corner chanting "You suck."
Not saying I disagree with you about the chant, but saying it's beneth our fanbase is exactly how we get a reputation of being arrogant because we think we're better than everyone else.
95% of the people chanting "you suck" is the student section. Is it also beneth our fanbase for those same students to be under age drinking, or smoking the wacky tabacky before games?
Now, if there is a down in front guy chanting you suck, then yes, classless and beneth our fanbase. Students? Let them have some fun. It's hardly the worst thing they could chant.
Is it beneath our fanbase to spell "beneath" without an a?
um...we ARE better than everyone else.
Have you not been to a hockey game at Yost? "you suck" is one of the nicer things said there :)
Perhaps, simply saying "Deeeeefense!" would suffice. To me this would be more appropriate.
It seems we can but we can't. It's pretty bad when "you suck" is the height of the witticism the student section can muster.
Also, the band shouldn't play it for anything but a three and out. Going back to the RR days, it's ridiculous to here "you suck" after the opponent just jammed the ball up our asses for 65 yards only to settle for a FG attempt. Or when the go for it and pick up the first.
Someone did try implementing "Defense" in place of "You Suck" at the Big House viewing of the Bama game. It failed miserably.
They subsequently enjoyed a fine evening at "UMix."
The chant should be "Go Blue." It's a two-word chant, and it's something we're already conditioned to say 50 times a game anyway. Do that, and it'll spread quickly.
It started about halfway during the season last year. Professor Boerma was under pressure from the athletic department to do something to cover up the "You Suck" chant or risk not playing Temptation anymore (whether this threat was actually legit or a scare tactic I don't know).
The issue according to some friends in the marching band was that the mics would always pick it up so it was louder than it used to be. The solution last year was twofold, a)band played an additional note to hopefully drown out some of the you suck and b) trying to convince people to say "Hoke smash." The latter never really caught on perhaps because only mention of it was in personal conversation and the fact that it is irrelevant.
Anyone know when the chant first started?
2002 season. I was a freshman and some kids I knew that sat near us just started doing it because they had been tailgating all day and it caught on. In my opinion it's no big deal and if someone makes a thread about this you should also include the hockey chants...
Why there's never been a push to end the chant with "Go Blue" I'll never know.
There has been. over 2000 people joined this group to try and stop the chant by changing it to Go Blue. By the sound of the game yesterday it didnt seem like it made much of a difference
You can hear the "You Suck" on national television, which makes us appear even more classless than we're accused of being by every other fan base.
So the Yost chants are "cool" and "tradition" but the "you suck" chant is classless and stupid? High horse = get off it.
I think the bigger issue is that non-students don't get involved in the chant as it is. At Yost, it doesn't matter because it's such a small building (and indoors). But at Michigan Stadium, if only one corner of the stadium chants something, it doesn't work that well.
Keep in mind that hockey culture is recently descended from gladiatorial pit fighting and best summarized by the cult classic Slap Shot.
Football calls for more elegant crowd chants, for a more civilized age.
Oh get a life you tight ass.
Wisconsin's chant is "Fuck you, eat shit". I don't think "you suck" is classless at all.
And like Michigan, no one outside of the student section chants it.
It's not the content of a chant that is intimidating. It's the sheer number of people doing it that is.
I also wish people would stop giving "the finger" during temptation. But I don't know how to stop that.
I really don't get why folks are so worked up about the "You suck" chant. Yeah, it's not especially clever. Neither are most chants. It's hardly the most offensive thing you'll hear at a UM sporting event (just try Yost if this one bothers you). I'll agree that it's a little silly when we do it right before an obvious go-for-it 4th down or after a long drive ending in a FG, but that's on the band for playing it at the wrong time, not the students. Seems someone's wine has turned to vinegar and their cheese has gotten moldy.
I think we have other things to worry about instead of you suck. God forbid a bunch of 18-23 yr olds having fun at a football game.
The fact that this fanbase is worried about what other people think is the bigger problem for me. I mean who cares it's a freaking college football game if some young people yelling "you suck" bothers you then perhaps they should stay at home and watch figure skating.
Might as well light couches on fire all through Ann Arbor, invade dorms and beat down engineers and women, and finish off by rioting in the Diag so hard we all get tear gassed on a weekly basis, right?
I'm ashamed to have you as part of our fan base.
So I take it you don't go to the hockey games.
Those chants aren't being screamed into microphones and the viewing audience is considerably smaller.
So wait, it's not even about being better people, it's just that we put on a fake smile when other people are watching to protect the whole Michigan Man meme?
100,000 attendance nationally televised game with thousands of opposing fans over some sport no one watches on tv that had tiny attendance and no one outside a tiny circle of fans pays attention to.
And for what it's worth, there have been warnings, emails, releases, and weakly enforced threats at Yost too. So the either-or thing is a straw man, because they've tried to stop both.
When the band stops playing Temptation for a 4 year period it'll change. These things can be changed if the parties involved don't want to act like the adults they claim to be, if the will is there. They don't throw marshmallows at the Stadium anymore, and that went on longer than "you suck."
I miss the marshmallows. And the toilet paper.
We need to change it by not playing it for a good 4-5 years to break the habit. I've been thinking about writing a letter to Brandon about stopping it. It's not "only in the student section". I'm in Section 3 and there are an embarrassing number of people doing it there too. I've started to yell "Defense" but I just get a soar throat and frustrated. Today, my 21 yr old daughter who's a student elsewhere looked at me surprised when it was done the first time and said "Is that new?"
(Thanks for letting me get this off my chest, for today anyway!!!)
You can hear them on the radio.
When a student tells the opposing goalie that he's adopted and his real mom didn't want him, 1/2 of Yost can hear him.
Yeah, those are charitable analogies to chanting "you suck."
I'm sorry that our chants make it harder for everyone to act smug on the interwebs, but yeah, we're going to keep doing it. Because it's sports. The whole point of sports is that it's a "distraction," a place to get away to and let some energy out. Are we being dumb if we paint our faces too? Or is sports maybe a different animal than real life?
It's more about glass houses. The vast majority of the Michigan fan base has a sense of superiority over the less civilized fan bases (such as Sparty). I feel it's entirely justified, but only if we continue to justify it. I don't want to be Sparty.
Hence the whole "making it more difficult to act smug on the interwebs" quip.
On the TV broadcast you couldn't hear "you suck" at all thanks to the band. It was awesome.
It's pointless. Just turns the whole thing into a competition between the band and students. Unless they decide to change the ending every time, it won't work long term. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I say stop playing it during the game, period. If you're serious about stopping the chant that's the only way it's going to happen.
I apologize for using the words "classless" and "beneath."
Apparently I have steered the discussion towards elitism. I was merely trying to say that a "you suck"
chant, well, sucks.
"Chump, Dick, Pussy, Douchebag, Asshole, Prick, Cheater, Bitch, Whore, Slut, Cocksuckerrrrrrrrrrrrr. Skipolerrrrrrrrrrrr. Shakeweighterrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!" Is an appropriate, famed, and beloved chant but "You Suck" is not.
I haven't been to a Michigan hockey game in a while, shame on me, "Shakeweighter" is a new one to me :)
For the record, I'm pretty sure that hockey band tries to cover that up too.
"You suck" is just lame. It sounds like something you'd hear at a wannabe football school, like Purdue. But the big problem is that the alumni aren't into it, which kills its effectiveness. Hockey can pull it off because that sport attracts a different kind of fan. Football fans, at this school at least, aren't into those kinds of chants. Change it to "Go Blue," and it'll finally spread beyond the student section. The students by themselves can't give us a homefield advantage. We need as much alumni participation as possible. The alums need to be conditioned to use their voices as often as they can.
The band starts playing Temptation after failed conversions, because it sounds awesome. Many years later, the student section decides to start putting "you suck" to the music. The university doesn't like the "you suck" chant (screw anyone who refers to Temptation as the "you suck" chant). They tell the director that they are considering stopping Temptation because it's not classy and alumni are complaining about it. The director doesn't want to ruin a long-standing tradition, so in an attempt to keep it going he agrees to try to cover it up with a two-note tag ending. The student section yells louder. Multiple facebook groups are made to get people to stop yelling "you suck," but only a few people actually care. A new group is made every time we play an opponent that we shouldn't yell at (yes, there was a group for Air Force), but it doesn't matter. Every year the same argument pops up, every year there's some stupid argument in the Daily, and every year nobody really does anything about it.
Future prediction? No attempts to stop it work despite seemingly obvious solutions presented to a student section that doesn't give a shit, and whoever is in charge kills Temptation. It is revived years later, and the cycle starts over.
Obviously I'm on tradition's side. It's hard for me to side with the student section when they're the only ones who aren't doing the right thing in the scenario. The only argument they have is "it's fun." Everyone else is just dealing with it, trying to make the rest of the fanbase happy.
(Negative posts sometimes try to pull it back with a "Go Blue!" or something, but I'm not going to conform.)
It'll change if/when the students decide it's not worth keeping "You suck" going. If the Daily's sportswriters endorse a switch to "Go Blue," it could happen.
There are two things that I think a lot of students don't realize about "You suck":
1. It's not a time-honored tradition to chant it. It's only been around a few years (some of which were really brutal on the field, which may give it a negative assocation in the eyes of a lot of fans)
2. It's not that audible from other parts of the stadium, because three-quarters of the stadium don't chant it.
and surprise surprise, nothing happened. Because 90% of the students don't even pick up a copy of the Daily throughout the entire time they're at Michigan.
There's been ample discussion of this topic in the Daily in past years too. But it's pointless. And if you think you're going to get a bunch of drunk 17-22 year olds to refrain from yelling a derogatory chant that's been around for a decade by starting facebook groups, you're wasting your time.
Sad to say, but the only effective way to stop it would be for the band to stop playing temptation for a couple of years. I'd hate to see it come to that, especially since I really don't it's that big of a deal, but if the Athletic Department really wants to see this end it's the only way.
The Daily muddled the issue by urging fans to chant "Defense." Why would you chant "Defense!" in a celebratory way? That just sounds weird.
"Go Blue" is the only replacement that makes sense. They should keep at it. If enough people lobby for it, it'll sink in eventually. The key point to stress is not that it's "classless" to chant "You Suck" but that it's ineffective, because the alumni won't join in.
The tradition of playing Temptation after defensive stops isn't even that old. It was instituted by then director Gary Lewis in either the '92, '93, or '94 season. I always thought he was inspired by the September '91 visit by Florida State & their band. Their tomahawk chop was, sadly, a little too popular in our stadium that day, but I think the arm motion that accompanied it inspired the current gesture. I even remember Mr. Lewis wanting to make sure that when non-playing members of the band as well as surrounding students made the gesture, it was with a closed fist, kind of like a "Hail!" but in slow motion.
The "you suck" post-Temptation chants at the game yesterday sounded louder than they have ever been. I assumed they were loud because the student section didn't get many opportunities to use them, as Air Force was converting 3rd downs like they were nothing all day long.
When I hear it, I don't think it's the end of the world. You hear much worse at other stadiums. But when your own team is sucking on the field and your students are chanting about how much the OTHER team sucks, it's pretty cringeworthy.
I think I'm more disturbed that your average student in the stands does NOT even know the song tile "Temptation," instead referring to it as the "You suck song."
Otherwise it's "Go blue!"
It made me irrationally angry when we did the you suck chant when Air Force was going for it. Even more so when they proceeded to convert it.