Taylor Lewan charged with aggravated assault and assault and battery
Well shoot. The UM Football program has taken quite the PR hits lately.
BREAKING: Taylor Lewan will be arraigned on 3 charges stemming from a Dec. 1 assault in Ann Arbor. Story coming to @annarbornews
— Kyle Feldscher (@Kyle_Feldscher) March 20, 2014
Here's the story with more details on the charges and the incident. Again, Taylor Lewan facing 3 criminal charges http://t.co/1DOGLcMy1V
— Kyle Feldscher (@Kyle_Feldscher) March 20, 2014The worst captain I have ever seen here. Bar none.
Absolutely dead on. In hindsight it would have been much better for the program if he didn't come back for his senior year. From an image standpoint, he did more damage than his on-the-field contributions could make up for.
And hell, even with Lewan the line was terrible, would his loss have even been noticeable? Could have developed a young guy instead.....
Can we also stop pretending that most people here are front-runners and blind homers who will bury a guy as soon as he can't help UM anymore? Because that's what this thread has devolved into, and it's almost comical.
What was comical were the excuses that were made for Lewan while he was in Ann Arbor. He's always been an asshole. How could anyone route for a guy who threatened a girl after she was raped? Fuck him.
He didn't "threaten a girl." He never spoke to the girl. Never emailed her, Tweeted her, saw her. Lewan didn't know what she looked like, by at least one recorded account in police records. Lewan never communicated with her. Hard to threaten someone when you never contact them in any conscious manner.
So what is the source everyone is thinking of when they talk about those allegations against him? I haven't read a lot of detail about the case. I assumed it was something in the police report and not just hearsay.
The allegation in the police report is that he called her cellphone, her friend answered, he said it to her friend.
For some people that means it can't have been a threat because threats can only be issued directly.
March 20th, 2014 at 10:41 PM ^
That's not in the police report or the Supplement to Report Number 3980. I read it. So don't give me that silly crap about "some people." Get your facts straight, Bucko. You're wrong.
Quote from the ACTIONS portion of the Supplemental Report:
"Neither [redacted - a witness] nor [redacted - witness] recieved such comments personally from [redacted - Lewan] or any other [redacted - "football player"].
I'd give you a link but I refuse to give the unworthy source any more page-hits.
At least one of the foregoing witnesses should be presumed to be the complaining witness in the Gibbons investigation. The phone call you seem to be referring to apparently involved persons other than Lewan. Another player perhaps, seems to have claimed that Lewan had made such a comment, entirely apart from the complaining witness.
So as usual, I'm right. Lewan never made the suspect comments to the alleged vicitm. Not to her, or her voicemail or her phone line.
What was comical were the excuses that were made for Lewan while he was in Ann Arbor. He's always been an asshole. How could anyone route for a guy who threatened a girl after she was raped? Fuck him.
By the way you should have written "root" and not "route."
ugghhhh
extensively on this blog before, I just have such a hard time believing that IF he did slug someone, it wasn't because he was provoked. The fact that he is the only one being charged is very confusing to me.
Being provoked isn't an excuse.
Well, legally there are instances when provocation can mititgate blame. Probably not in this case, but until we know what else happened it isn't worth the breath to dig into potential outcomes.
Words almsot never qualify for this and the bodily threat threshold is pretty high. Not likely in this care.
Sometimes I wish I paid more attention in Criminal Law.
Oh, I know. And the bodily threat threshold in Michigan is extremely high; I believe Lewan basically would have had to flee the building to his house and/or feel extremely certain he could not avoid the conflict. That seems unlikely.
But from a realistic perspective, cases get dropped/mitigated if it becomes clear that a bunch of drunk people started a fight with each other and one guy just happened to hit the other first/harder. My point is that nobody is going to come out smelling like roses here, and not knowing more it makes it hard to know how the "letter of the law" vs reality of the situation will play out.
that is pretty much how I feel. Without knowing more, hard to know who started what and how the police/prosecutors approached the investigation.
Being provoked doesn't excuse assaulting someone. Verbal provocation isn't a crime.
There are more ways to provoke someone than just with words.
That's true but don't apply that here. You have no idea what happened and that comment is fucking pathetic because it implies something else besides verbal provocation happened and at the minimum it puts that idea out there. Stop throwing shit at a wall, motherfucker.
I'm not sure that calling Magnus a "motherfucker" is the best way to further a rational discussion on this topic. He provides tremendous value to this board with his football insights, and is also a witty guy. And he does it without being condescending (usually). If all posters were like Magnus, this would be a better board.
So maybe you could calm down a tad, especially since all he did was suggest that there is such a thing as nonverbal provocation. You can bump into someone, give them a wanking gesture, etc., and still be provoking them.
Bottom line is that unless you were at the scene of the incident, I don't know how you get off calling Magnus's suggestion "throwing shit at a wall". But the bigger point is that a touch of decorum might go a long way in making your point more effectively.
Jesus dude calm down. Magnus simply pointed out the fact that there are more ways to provoke someone. He didn't even suggest that's what happened. But it's possible, is it not?
March 20th, 2014 at 10:03 PM ^
"You have no idea what happened"
That's the entire point. I don't, and neither does the person I was responding to.
But thanks for calling me a motherf***er just for saying "There's more than one way to provoke someone." That seems like an appropriate response.
but again, the fact that he is the only one being charged just seems confusing to me. Despite the fact he has an overwhelming advantage in most fights he gets in, that shouldn't matter if someone tried to start something.
Maybe he did go to far if all that was done was a verbal assault beforehand, but I'm just curious as to what led up to Taylor being the only one charged. it just feels to me like something is missing.
Occam's Razor would suggest that he's the only one that broke the law or what the Buckeye fans did didn't rise to the level of breaking the law.
but I still don't think that its just as simple of an explanation as that. I think there's something else that's missing.
Edit: forgot the "don't"
unless he was intoxicated, pissed off for losing to ohio, and decided to jump on the first person wearing scarlet and grey.
then again what were ohio fan's doing in AA in the wee hours of sunday monring? it's been my own experience to get the hell out of columbus as fast as possible after the game, or at the very least don't walk around in my colors all day and night.. even if we lose.
If the reverse had happened in Columbus, you can bet the Michigan fan(s) would have been arrested and 100% of the folks there would vouch for the Ohio player.
In a Columbus bar would have been carted away to jail and probably would still be in the pokey after their 12/1/13 arrest!
He punched Ohio people. The world is a better place.
That is all
BUT BUT HE WAS ACCUSED OF A CRIME AND PEOPLE DONT LIKE HIIIMMMM HE MUST HAVE DONE IT!!!
I've never seen a fan base turn on their players more than this one. Disgusting really. Let the justice system work this out.
the court of public opinion is a fickle bitch, especially on the interwebs
alternative: but he played for us and i like him, so he must not have done it.
we know for a fact that he was involved in an altercation. we now know that--unlike the gibbons matter--the local authorities believe there is probable cause that he committed a crime. as neither you nor i will be actually adjudicating lewan, we can make presumptions based upon what is known--as well as the history lewan has with questionable behavior.
and that numerous posters in here have first-hand or second-hand accounts of him being a drunken douche
really, we can't rely on anything but first or second hand accounts?? I guess we can throw most all media reports out. One always considers the source and the history of accuracy. First hand--and often second hand--accounts are often biased as those "witnesses" have a vested interest in the outcome.
Lewan has a history of questionable behavior by most objective accounts--either that or he is just one unlucky SOB.
March 20th, 2014 at 10:30 PM ^
douche and he may have done something here. Your assumption that he is guilty because the police charged him is ignorant. Don't you think there could be some political pressure to charge him and to let a jury decide if he is guilty so it doesn't look like the police are covering for him? I'm not saying this is the case. The police may have plenty of evidence. I'm saying it's possible.
Being a douche doesn't make him guilty and many innocent people are charged with crimes. That's why there are trials that hopefully don't include people like you on the jury.
the occurence along with the Glasgow suspension, seems quite coincidental.
I'm only guessing, but it seems that Taylor and Glasgow are pretty close, so I'm guessing that Glasgow was with Taylor the night that incident occurred...whatever that may be.
According to mlive, Lewan is the only one charged in his incident.
A sad fact is that Lewan wasn't cut out to be a team leader.... a great player but not of character, becoming a Michigan captain.....
First he says the thing about the rape, what a jackass...
Then assaults the OSU fan....
Other jackass moments from Lewan this season:
"I promise that a game like that will never happen again" after Akron. Repeat performance the very next week at UConn and he says "I won't apologize for being 4-0"
"We won't get bullied again up there" at East Lansing. Team is the definition of "bullied" in a lifeless performance. Lewan's response is to play every bit as dirty as William Gholston did in the 2011 game.
Good riddance!
Well, his teammates voted him captain, and unless you're one of the players you probably don't know how they perceived him.
Everyone here on this blog basically knows the same information about what happened, but that isn't stopping people from whipping out the concerned voices and acting all high-and-mighty.
I'm sure Lewan hit the guy and screwed up. He seems like a hothead and not the greatest guy to be around when he drinks. Guess what? Brian Griese was apparently a really mean and lousy drunk by all accounts (he's since cleaned up his life), but people didn't bitch and moan because he won. Lewan will need to correct his behavior and should be held accountable, but people around here are just being lazy and contemptuous with their condemnations.
and now he's being charged with a threesie!
Looks like part of his NFL bonus money is going to his lawyer.