Wolverine Devotee

September 11th, 2019 at 10:44 AM ^

I really hope so. This fanbase can not handle #SpeedInSpace being just another all talk hashtag. 

Saw glimpses of what the offense could be against MTSU. 

ColeIsCorky

September 11th, 2019 at 11:06 AM ^

And even in the first half of the Army game if you can get past all of the "whoopsies." Outside of those fumbles, I was enjoying that first quarter and a half of offense. They just happened to vacate what was already working for them as far as driving the ball down the field. 

ohio

September 11th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^

I think the playcalling changed because the game turned into exactly the game Army wanted..The part that makes it look so horrible is that it was our own mistakes that turned us into trying to win a catfight. Seriously that game was so boring to watch our defense have to defend the same crap over and over. Every series of downs looks exactly the the prior.

If we get a lead, and we certainly could have without the mistakes, they probably throw the ball 5 more times and have 2 more turnovers. I wish we hadnt vacated the early plan but I dont know that there was much choice given Shea's condition. Throwing the ball with your backup, or any kind of experimental playcalling is simply unwise when you're down a score and there's no guarantee you're going to get more than 1 or 2 more possessions.

I relegated myself to us losing after getting stopped on 4th down for the second time in the 4th qtr. Definitely should have taken the field goal instead of the first failed try. Although at the time I was hoping we were starting to get the push we needed to run that baby home. I'm just happy to not have that be a loss this early in the season with 2 weeks to think about it. 

Lakeyale13

September 11th, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^

Just give me one season in 15 years where we beat OSU (with an actual permanent head coach) and then go to a decent Bowl game and win.  

I don't know of many Michigan fans that are "torches and pitchforks" for a national title.  We just want to beat OSU and play really well and win a really nice bowl game.  Asking for that to happen every 3-5 years isn't crazy unreasonable.

father fisch

September 11th, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^

Actually, it's a lot less than you might think.  We all want to win every game and look good doing it.  And some games, we couldn't win by a large enough spread!

But after 10-15 years of irrelevance, I would be satisfied if we won most of our games.  Maybe you lose one or two by just a few points AS LONG AS we look like  really good team doing it.  We haven't looked like a dominating team in forever.

I don't want to lose ever!  But if we were competitive while doing it, I'd be ok.  I think others would too.

aiglick

September 11th, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^

People keep saying we haven’t looked like a dominating team but look at the mailbag. We dominated in most of our games last year. We beat down Wisconsin and PSU last year. Now granted I hope we don’t give that back this year but the program has had some recent success. If you want to say last year’s ending was disappointing given what we were expecting from the year’s performance, there I would agree.

ScooterTooter

September 11th, 2019 at 10:45 AM ^

There's no reason it shouldn't be one of the best in the country once Runyan and DPJ are back (and really, it should be very good even without those two)...unless we have a QB problem that wasn't anticipated. 

 

JFW

September 11th, 2019 at 11:22 AM ^

Well.... Are the WR's perfectly suited to this type of offense? Can Shae/McCaffery do the reads? will the O line start building on what they had last year?  

I'm hoping for 'Oklahoma'; but I'll be satisfied with 'can competently score and hold onto the ball/not shoot ourselves in the foot'. 

jblaze

September 11th, 2019 at 10:45 AM ^

When Gattis was at PSU with Moorehead (2017) they killed us mainly because PSU  unleashed a brand new offensive scheme (it was like game 3 or 4 for them, I can't remember) and Michigan was not prepared. 

Part of that was because they played cupcakes beforehand and didn't need to use anything interesting and part of that is because it took them a few games to really understand the offense. 

I'm not saying that that is happening here, because nobody aside from the players actually know, but it's a possibility. I mean if I'm Wisconsin, what the hell do I prep for? A "zone read" where the RB always gets the ball? A WR jet sweep?

https://www.collegian.psu.edu/football/article_b983ce7a-b779-11e7-8179-97ebaccef2fb.html

 

MichiganTeacher

September 11th, 2019 at 10:52 AM ^

This was answered already, but Wisconsin should prepare for fumble recoveries.

All joking aside, given what Shea did against them last year, there's no way they're not preparing for true zone read including pulls. Other than that - well, I'm just hoping there is something other than that. RPOs, I suppose.

northernmich

September 11th, 2019 at 10:52 AM ^

It very well could be Gattis/Harbaugh want the team to master the fundamental components of this new offense. Just the basic run and pass plays. That’s what these two games were for, survive through the bye week then really open it up. But what I don’t understand is why a deep ball to Tarik and Nico ARENT apart of the base offense. I see them single covered with no safety over the top often, that should be an automatic check to a max protect and deep ball to them. It just seems so simple.

What also very well could be is that they do have lots more plays and Harbaugh says “nah” to them. I’m not convinced Jim truely trusts his QBs, therefore sticks to running the ball and short passes to the TE.

jblaze

September 11th, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^

Agree, but maybe they aren't open or Harbaugh wanted to minimize (it didn't work) turnovers against a clock sucking team and told Gattis to go full turtle?

I'd also add that after Lamar Jackson and Baltimore's modernization, Jim (and his pops) may truly understand the importance of modern football. Thanks again John Harbaugh!

Reggie Dunlop

September 11th, 2019 at 10:59 AM ^

Michigan won that game by a billion. Is that what you're saying? 

It was PSU's 4th game. They beat two marshmallows and lost to Pitt before us. Then we smoked them like 49-10 or something. That was Franklin's sad Field Goal game. 

After that, they ran the table scoring about a hundred points per game, upset OSU on the blocked FG, won the B1G and lost a Rose Bowl shootout to USC. And the NEXT year they kicked our ass in Happy Valley in the white out - Moorhead's 2nd year.

Bodogblog

September 11th, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^

Yeah, this is where I thought he was going and is the best comparable.  I remember the PSU sportswriters before and after that game - before they were saying the new Moorhead offense was just coming on, and they could see it really starting to explode, so they predicted a Michigan win; after they were despondent and thought they'd been sold a bill of goods. 

Really they were just one or two games off.  After being destroyed by Michigan, PSU went to OT with Minnesota and won.  But after that... their offense began to set people on fire and they scored at least 38 points in 8 of the next 9 games (the exception being OSU).  It's entirely possible this type of slow start may be happening here. 

JonSnow54

September 11th, 2019 at 11:27 AM ^

Yeah, and you're saying that it was only the 3rd or 4th game and Michigan wasn't prepared for PSU's new offensive scheme.  But in 2017 Michigan didn't play PSU until the 8th game...so there was plenty of film on the offensive scheme.  And PSU still scored 42.

In 2016, M played PSU in the fourth game, and PSU only scored 10 points.  2016 was the year where the PSU offense turned it on later in the year.