This thread will be your opportunity to discuss the coaching and your thoughts on in-game coaching decisions.
The Snowflake Thread: Coaching
Catch-22 for Borges. He has to explain why he didn’t do this all year.
...exact same question.
Michigan looked like a completely different team compared to what we saw against MSU, NW, NEB, and Iowa.
Is that because we spent a large portion of those weeks specifically preparing for OSU?
I feel like because The Game is such a huge game that Borges held stuff back and didn't want to tip his hand so to say for most of the season. Obviously there's a major problem with that and I don't understand why he would do that but I have that feeling
I disagree with this. We didn't see anything new this game from any of the other games. This wasn't some crazy game where all of the sudden we started running the wishbone. All of these plays were on film at one point or another this season.
it was just the execution?
1) We didn't win despite the offense playing well
2) The offense played well this game why not the previous four? You telling me we just started "executing" vs. OSU
3) Still too many wasted downs where we ran into the teeth of the defense.
This is a ridiculous comment. Too many wasted downs? That was an outstanding game offensively. Every team in every game has a few bad/nothing plays. And Borges gets dinged because we lost despite the outstanding offensive performance?
I'm fine with still wanting a new OC, but this is stupid. Just give him credit for today. Plus, for all of the "Where was this before?" stuff, while I'm obviously disappointed with this year's offense, it's nice to see something saved for OSU. Borges has called two brilliant games against OSU and one terrible one (when he showed his whole hand in a blowout win against Iowa). At least it looked like the offense realized we were playing a rival and need to get up for this.
I am going to forgive you for being ignorant of Michigan football. Now I will school you. Yes, wasted downs! When you run plays that are clearly read by the defense and have no chance of succeeding then you put your offense in a bind.
You can do the math if you want but I cannot EVER recall an offense that had numerous third and longs. The offense has been at a disadvantage all season.
In the red zone, we still ran the I-Form into a stacked box.
We spiked the ball when a play could have been ready. This didn't cost Michigan on the scoring drive but it gave away a down.
Look at Ohio State's offense, they continously ran plays that worked. We continously run plays that get stuffed. Thankfully their defense gave us an open field all day!
Shouldn't use the word Turd. It's a kids word.
Maybe you have several children. However, you made great arguments and won the comment battle btwn yourself and Ferguson. Next time call him Ferguson and leave the word out of it.
Turd won the argument. Few of the fire Borges! brigade can handle a response with logic. Unless it ends with Fire Borges! they just can't handle a turd or anything else.
I can't tell what here is about this game and what is about the season more generally. I'm talking about this game. I can't defend the offense earlier in the season.
If you don't think the Oline executed better today than it has all season then you must be commenting without even watching the games. Borges probably WILL say the team executed better than they have all year, and he definitely won't be wrong.
Do NOT Blame This Game on the Offense.
603 yds, six TDs (and a foregone bunny FG).
I still want him gone. I think he doesn't deserve to stay. I have no faith in him. I have no faith in his play calling or player development.
However, after this game, if he is not fired (I don't think he will be, probably), this game gives me a little hope that I might be wrong about him and that he might end up being great.
My biggest problem with Borges, with this game as an example, is that he is often TERRIBLE or GREAT. No consistency. I just don't get it. I think it has a lot to do with his inability to alter game plans on the fly.
you have such talent on offense, which we knew all along, it just was only inspired enough to play well today?? And at home? But I will say this team should walk away with tremendous amount of confidence going into next year. . .
"Catch-22 for Borges. He has to explain why he didn’t do this all year."
He'll come up with some double-speak to justify. But it's all BS.
He called this game as if he had nothing to lose. It showed the potential this team's offense has had most of the season. They play this kind of game and they beat Nebraska and Iowa.
Penn State in overtime was the worst play calling I have seen in my life!
All three of those games amount to a 10 win season and a better Big 10 record. All of those losses are on him.
This game changes nothing. All it did was keep Michigan from embarrassment. We still lost.
He waits until what is hopefully his last regular season game, to actually call a good game. Where the fuck was this offense all year! Other than one too many Gallon reverse calls, I liked every call and it was actually not obvious, like every call, in all the other games. Much like Lloyd waited until the last game of his career (Florida), to actually coach the team to their potential, instead of underperforming, Borges waits until now to actually call a good game. Fuck him, fire his ass now and don't even let him coach in our bowl game! We should have been 11-1 or 10-2 at worst this year (MSU would have beaten us regardless, they are IMO, the best team in the B1G this year....
Great analogy. Although ecstatic after beating Florida in that bowl game, the thought of "what could have been" had Michigan just shredded teams all year with that passing spread was somewhat depressing. Same kinda thing today.
like it will not ruin my life. The team played their hearts out; none of us were on the field. There will continue to be losses, maybe many more in the future. You might want to get some perspective.
Does anyone still want Borges to get fired
Unless he calls games like this, yes.
"Unless he calls games like this, yes."
Do you trust him to not revert to his old ways?
Neither do I.
Fire Borges. I'm fickle.
Yes. This should not be a reprieve. Team clearly has potential that he has wasted.
Yes. Where was this offense for all the other games this year? The most obvious calls, not to mention the most successful today, the screens were non-existent all season. I'm quite certain we threw as many today as we did all year combined.
Greg Mattison, you're up this week
First bad game by the Michigan defense all season. Well you can count the Indiana game as well. While the defensive performance obviously hurt, I don't think you see Mattison on the hot seat for a while. The defense has to turn in numerous poor performance that can be tied to Mattison.
except Indiana...and large portions of Penn St.
And the ends of the Iowa, Nebraska, and Akron games.
The Big 10 is very weak- the offenses Mattison stopped were not that great and the defenses OSU rolled over were not that great also (IOW, OSU is not such an offensive powerhouse as many believe) UM's defense is a lot closer to the offense than most think. Borges isn't the greatest OC, maybe not even good- but Mattison is not doing that much better and today it showed. I could care less if Borges is fired or not (he will get a nice package) but the blind eye to Mattison's faults this season has been extreme. Mattison has not done that well this year and this teams defense is not that impressive. Time to be a little more fair.
Anyone who says Mattison should be fired is not using logic.
You have not seen the horrible field position and the points surrendered by the OFFENSE this season.
I am going to break down a couple of the losses for you.
Versus Penn State - Turnovers produced 4 turnovers, 390 yard of offense, 85 yard rushing. This is despite four overtimes. One turnover in overtime and one field goal missed practically GIFT WRAPPED this game to the offense. They proceeded to lose it for us.
Versus Michigan State - Our defense kept us in this game for three quarters despite getting NO help from the offense. We produced a turnover. Their offense has 394 yards of offense. Pretty stellar considering our best offensive drive after the defense produced its only turnover was -21 yards! This is NOT a typo.
Versus Nebraska - Our defense held Nebraska to 17 points. We forced them into two turnovers. Their offense managed only 273 yards. They punted the ball more than us.
Versus Iowa - The defense forced four turnovers. We converted one of those into a touchdown. Iowa had 400 yards of total offense despite having the ball the entire second half. Our offense punted five times and fumbled.
Versus Ohio - The defense produced two turnovers. We had no answer for the Hyde/Miller connection.
Recap: In every one of our losses our defense WON the turnover battle for us. With the exception of the Ohio State game, they held on for nearly the entire game despite playing for the second half. Indiana is the only win where the offense outplayed the defense. Ohio State is the only loss where the offense outplayed our defense.
The offense has hung our defense out to drive for far too many games this year only to have the defense hold up to the bitter end. There is NO WAY you can blame the defense for a five loss season.
Obviously our defensive game plan was garbage for that game.
The Penn State game was called well enough to win.
The only beef you and the poster above seems to have is the final drives of game where our defenses had take the field for practically the entire SECOND HALF. Even the best trained athletes will struggle to keep up after rigorous activity for 30 minutes.
I would have liked to see their defense hold up in all those situations and maybe the prevent needs to be improved upon but in all those games if the offense sustains drives then the defense will be able to actually catch their breath.
when he was out against Iowa, the defense got really porous. . .
OSU has the best offense I have seen in a long time. Thank God Hyde will be gone and maybe even Miller...
Agreed on Hyde. Dude is like an effing Mack truck out there. Miller's not going to the NFL this year, unless it's as an RB. Even after next year, I don't see him being an NFL QB. His future in the NFL is taking handoffs, IMO.
like slapping women in bars. . .
Like going for 2. We couldn't stop their run game.
Plus Wile's extra points were barely going through and he missed the TOed field goal by a mile. Can't go into overtime without a kicker. I like the call to go for two, but didn't like the actual playcall. Three receivers one side of the field? Would've liked to see them get Gardner moving (if he wasn't too banged up).
He was too banged up. That was pretty obvious--he was having some trouble even setting to throw once he got moving, and he wasn't much of a threat to run.
Wouldve like to see a counter-draw or crossing route on the 2 point.
They could've given up 2 TDs down but they would not let it happen. Tremendous credit to everyone involved.
To everyone who had given up on these kids and spewed vitiriol about how they were embarrassed to be a U of M fan...
...we'll welcome you back. There is always room for fairweather fans.
Great game. Congratulations to the team.
Great job by the coaches. Great exectution by the players. 3 yards shy against an undefeated team in the greatest rivalry in college football.
I'm looking forward to the bowl game and to next season.
Hopefully vitriol was spewed at the coaches not the players. Coaches are still on hot seat IMHO, this game was a tribute to a group of guys who played very hard.
Agreed. They still lost. Is that where the program is? We're happy we didn't lose by that much? There are no moral victories at Michigan.
THIS ^. I'm sick of losing this game. We're always underdogs and 1 win in 10 years?? Not long before this rivalry loses its national acclaim if this continues. The past 50 years in "modern football era" OSU has edge.
We should Brady Hoke for going 0-7 in 2004-2010 while Lloyd Carr and Rich Rodriguez were coaching.
Urban Meyer doesn't have to overcome the 2010 & 2011 recruiting vacuum that this staff is facing.
Gotta hate the people who bitch about everything and think they are smarter than everyone else.
Though I am glad that we didn't get blown out, the way that all Bucky fans and most of the media were predicting, this loss still pisses me off!!! I will now have to hear all the Bucky fans say, "Michigan really played well" and "Great Game", to which I will reply, "Not good enough" and "A loss to the Evil Empire is never good, let alone great"....
I hate comments like this. It makes you just as annoying as those folks. Please, stop, it's not needed and doesn't help your cause.
Go blue! Disappointed as hell but what heart - proud to be a michigan fan and glad I never turned my back on the team. There's a lot to build off of for next year.
They spiked the ball on 1st down when they had a timeout which is absolutely unforgivable! They came out in the same formation after the OSU timeout before the 2-point attempt??? Why have Gardner saddled in the pocket throwing to a 5'8 reciever when you can roll Gardner and have our 2 huge TE as options???
If only Homesick Alien had been OC this week, we would have scored 70.
You know that we've run a lot different plays out of that formation all year?
Going for 2 was absolutely the right move. Statisitcally, it only lowers your odds by about 5% (45% conversion rate vs 50-50 in OT), and I think the game situation and the momentum swing the odds a lot more than 5%. Sucks it didn't work out, but absolutely the right move.
Go into overtime against a team you can't stop, with your quarterback limping and your field goal kicker in street clothes?
No thank you.
Senior laden OSU team with 4 senior o-linemen barely escapes against our insanely young team. I like Michigan's direction a hell of a lot more today than yesterday.
If OSU plays Alabama or FSU they will be blown of the field.
They only lose Roby on defense and like you mention the 4 olineman and Hyde on offense.
OSU's offense ran for some ridiculous yards today, largely because of a good, experienced o-line. Losing that will still certainly hurt them.
They'll be fine next year. OSU has had one rebuilding year in the last decade and a half. I'm sure they'll fill those gaps with little difficulty.
Anyone who thinks OSU is going to replace 4 senior o-linemen is just insane. That is just a ridiculous comment to make.
Losing the linemen will slow them down for a few games. Then they'll have a Jr. returning as starter with a Sr. at the other OT. The C will bea Jr. One guard will be the guy who stepped in after the ejection (a Fr. this year). The other G is a question. They might move a 6-4, 308 pound backup OT over.
I'm sure they'll work it out.
And the best back in the big ten is nothing to scoff at on offense.
16 returning starters is not sr laden. Don't forget one of their olineman was ejected and they didn't miss a beat when his sub came in.
Both safeties are seniors and Shazier may had to the NFL as well. Others could follow.
Miller sounds like a guy who is leaving and really coming back to play behind a young o-line would be a big mistake for any QB. And if he goes they have a huge whole at QB.
4 o-linemen plus Hyde is going to hurt a lot.
Kidding. It was bad though, they got torched.
Signed on to say the same! Couldn't stop the run today.
To be fair though Ohio St.'s offense does that to everyone.
Love going for 2. Would have liked a different play. No one on defense was to the left so an AJ Williams release could have been open.
Stopping the run, couldn't do it but the D played hard.
The offense, it's been dormant forever but man today it looked good.
Can we do a snowflakes on the couple WTF refs plays?
Playing a true freshman LB in his first start against a great running game doesn't bode well.
Offensively, they did it all. OSU has a bad defense and Borges exploited it well.
Too bad our LBs were hurt and DG couldn't have a run/pass option on the final play.
...2 pt conversion I think Michigan's best option was tossing up a jump ball for Funchess in the corner of the endzone. Credit to OSU for completely sniffing out the final playcall and covering it well.
With the play they ran, a jump ball at the front flag to Gallon was the best chance. He had a step
...Funchess singled up with Butt going to the back and Gallon to the front on the opposite side would've been the perfect playcall after the OSU TO.
Shape of good things to come.
Hoke earns right to decide Borges' fate. But if he keeps Borges, must recognize his own future tied to Borges' future.
But I won't automatically be upset if he keeps Borges.
Borges called a good game. And he showed that he can call a good game. It's up to the coaches to keep this pace up and not go into a Manball shell next year based on "philosophy".
sometimes you lose.
if we play like that next year, we will be a-ok.
But why couldnt we play like that this year?? Thats what is scary about next year... borges' complete lack of a coherent, consistent gameplan.
Now that I'm over the initial shock, it wasn't a bad call.
1) He has little trust in Wile kicking the short field goals and extra points. The 1 point was not a gimme.
2) Even if he drilled it, we go into OT against an excellent offensive team, and a likely need to rely on some nervy field goals to survive.
I don't blame Hoke for going bold here. Nobody can accuse him of simply being Lloyd Carr.
Great game overall. Only a couple of bad plays called by Borges today but obviously the question is where has this offense been the last 5 games. Absolutely agree with the decision to go for the 2 point conversion, there is no way we would have won in OT. Only real gripe was why we didn't come out with a different play/formation after OSU's timeout knowing that they would then be ready for that original call?
Agree with this completely. He even ran something off of the jet sweep look late to good results.
When Hoke and Borges don't get caught up in their own Dogma and just try to win the F'ing game with the weapons they have, they do all right.
It took an undefeated Ohio State game to get their attention, but maybe they can keep focused.
Yes, I agree. The fact is that when this organization (players, staff, front office, whatever) confronts a BIG game at the beginning and end of this season, they demonstrate an admirable focus that allows them to maximize their inherent strengths and minimize their inherent weaknesses.
This game clearly demonstrated this.
Now, if they just maintain that focus the entire season, THEN I think you have the confidence in execution that will allow them to not take the "play not to lose" move of burning the clock out at the end of the half.
If you're going to come out in the same formation, don't you at least have to have a surprise coming from it knowing that OSU just dialed up a defense to stop what they think you are going to run?
The one thing I will say is that Gallon and Dileo were really close to each other when the pass was thrown. Wondering if one of them didn't run the correct route.
run the clock out before the half. we had plenty of time and a time out to atleast attempt a field goal. other than that the play calling was great.
This, especially after Green's run of 12 yards. Our offense had been on fire and a 3-point lead going into halftime would have been huge for momentum.
Fact is, our staff outcoached OSU's. The difference is that they have Senior Carlos Hyde and Seniors all along the line, and they just imposed their will on our undersized front 7. However, this game definitely gives me more confidence in the coaching staff for the future, if they stay intact. Admittedly, still wouldn't be opposed to firing Borges, but hard to see that happening now. If only he could figure out how to consistently call games like this (of course, he was helped by the O-line playing much better than they were a few weeks ago)
I think his potential firing hinges on who becomes available. As much as he has been a disappointment, there are worse options.
Pelini getting another year should makes Borges a little safer, because that OC is someone who worked minor miracles this year.
That is the worst idea ever
too easy to throw a pick six or put the ball on the ground and give ohio a chance at 3 before half.
We put up 41 on OSU and we can't manage to beat penn state or Iowa and have trouble with Akron and uconn. They need changes
Just don't understand why the hell all three phases of the game can't seem I play well in any single game. Really only the 2011 Neb game comes to mind under this staff.
I think it was a great game for recruiting. There were a lot if positives and some improvement in that game. Very proud of the players, and the coaches to a lesser degree.
So that's Borges third or fourth good game in three years. Kudos.
Glad we got the return of aggressive, gambler Brady Hoke. That makes me feel better about things.
If they get that fucking review right...
and maybe Minnesota? That's this year, and ohio 2011 was brilliant....
Considering that our main field goal kicker was out, and that we couldn't stop OSU's offense toward the end of the game, on balance I have to think that the 2 point conversion was the right call.
Might as well go for the win in regulation.
I get the feeling that most of this season was Borges just experimenting with his different ideas. Today, it seemed like he had a solid plan and stuck with it, and it looked like the staff did a good job getting these kids ready to play this week. I was impressed. I vote to keep the whole staff for another year, I guess.
OK, but no more "experimental" games next year. They all count. Be a mad scientist in practice.
This is Division I College Football. Not high school spring practice. You play to win all the games. Experimenting? Are you kidding me? That's an excuse for you?
More of a statement to sum up how it felt watching the offense most of the year, rather than what the actual problem was. Don't get too excited about it.
Great game by the coaches. While the youthfulness on offense has been exposed all year, this game it was on defense. It's not just starters,. but a lack of experienced depth, too. The future looks bright for Michigan football.
On the 2 pt conversion - Perry is not a good linebacker, especially so on coverage. Devin has struggled with that sort of route all year long. I think OSU had a pretty good idea where that was going, and wouldn't have made that play otherwise. Liked the playcalling on the whole, but didn't like that one.
Draining the clock when your QB is playing one of his best games of the year - probably the best - was a terrible decision. Turned out to mean a lot in this game.
On Al Borges - No one has ever really questioned that Al could call a good game if everything goes his way. Understanding what he has and building a coherent offense that maintains competency. Now we probably have to suffer through a half decade of missing the B1G Championship.
itll be a lot of "wait till next years" under brady Hoke
Can we please not forget what program this is? Who we are? What our standards are (or should be)?
Wish we had played like this all year on offense. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say as to why we haven't been running plays like this all year.
to Ohio 12 of 14yrs...I dont care about the rest of you this is UNACCETABLE and Hoke is not the man to change this....next year...next year..next year....its always the same TIRE thing..LOSING
Relax. It's a game and the kids played hard. Effort was great. Apply for the AD job and maybe you can change the program instead of flaming out on the Interwebs
Please go root for another team.
Also, can somebody please explain to me why you'd clock the ball on first down @ the 3 with plenty of time left?
Because preserving a timeout means you still have the option of running or throwing.
There's an old saying in chess, "the threat is stronger than the execution." It doesn't matter if you're planning to run or not, the defense has to defend it.
In that situation just burn the 10 or so extra seconds and run a play. You only have 3 more plays you can possibly run and a timeout, so why waste the play?
F Jackson needs to retire. The team played well today, like this one mattered. It begs the question, what the hell were they doing against Akron, UConn, PSU, Nebraska, NW and Iowa?
This game proves OSU isn't as good as everyone thinks and that BOrges can't be very good because it only called three good games all season.
Credit to the kids! They played hard and executed very well. They played toe to toe with a senior laden team that the media thinks is a top 5 team.
A young team. And young teams will lose some games they shouldn't lose, but they will also win some games they shouldn't win. They came up three yards short which sucks but there was enough to build on today to be excited moving forward.
Definitely next year though the leash gets shorter and there won't be any good feelings for moral victories.....
What are the games we won that we shouldn't have? I can count three we lost that we shoudln't have, and two more that were almost spectacular losses. Sorry, but we're not that youthful.
I'm against the grain on this one. The same plays have been called most of the season. The offensive line played well today. Gave DG time. When DG has time he executes more than not. Thought the game was called well start to finish. Agree with going for the 4th and 2 the first time. Agree with going for 2. Think the 2 pt call was fine. DG didn't read the defense. That's on him not Borges. Defense has to play better. 400 rushing yards is unacceptable. The future is bright. I'm on the fence about firing Borges. Funk yes still. Borges, I'll let you know if people open up. I would take Lane Kiffin given the chance. Either way, it's been a long season but I still love Michigan and every player on this team. Brady Hoke is our coach and should be. He's not Lloyd Carr 2.0. He was aggressive today and i loved it.
Lane Kiffin? Really? Did you see how much his players haaaaaaaaaaaaated him and suddenly played hard when Ed Orgeron took over? And it's not like Ed Orgeron is a good coach.
I think he knows offense because I've seen his offenses. He's not a good head coach but i think he's a great offensive coordinator and play caller. He's a pro-style guy. He can recruit his ass off. If he gains his player's respect he'll be fine. I don't think he will be here I'm just saying. Depending on the bowl game playcalling I'd like Borges to stay another year
Was feeling you until the Kiffin part.
Overall I thought it was a well coached game.
There was execution on offense, and that helped Devin last a little longer.
Some of the personel in the defensive secondary was frustrating, as was the open field tackling of Miller on particular.
Another suggestion I might have is that Hoke needs to politic the officials a little more. They killed a few drives, and arguably cost us the game. Maybe its just random, and what goes around comes around, but I think a little more emotion might get the officials thinking twice.
On evaluating Borges until the UFR. I want to know if he really broke through or if it was our players making incredible plays. It's a little bit of both.
I love the fact that he used many more screens and hitches. Clearly did his homework on OSU. FInally using bubble screens was a good sign.
I don't know what to think. Borges has called some good games, and then he has called some atrocious games. Even in this one, he wasn't perfect. Smarter football people than myself say that his offense is more grab bag than conceptually linked. If that's the case I guess he should go.
I want to see some more intelligent football people evaluate this game and tell me if it was an anomaly or a sign of progress from Borges.
Brady, can I talk to you?
Sure Al, what's up
Well, I know that this is 'The Game' and everything that comes with it, but if the Offense looks poor, it will effectively end my coaching career... You've still got a few years of goodwill, I'm on the hot seat.
Yea, probably... So what do you want to do?
I'm going to pull out all the stops, misdirection, throw-backs... The conversative bias is out the window, young o line or no young o line.
Hmmmmm, what the hell, nothing else has worked against teams which actually field a defense.
Seriously, if thus is what a fully functioning Borges Offense looks like, sign me up for another year. If we make half the jump from year one to year two of 'pro-style' as we did with spread we should be fun to watch next year.
Going for 2 was the right call. The play call to get 2, not so much.
Execution was an issue this game, and all season. But that buck stops at Borges. He is the coach of the offense.
I think Borges still has to go. Michigan should be winning some of these games. The program needs to make a change for that to happen.
cool down and what not, the dumbest coaching decision today by far that should be talked about is the decision to not go for a field goal at the end of the first half. We had a minute, a time-out and a first down at what the 30 or something? 40 yards gets you a field goal and they really screwed that up, and it's happened a lot that Hoke makes terrible time decisions before the first half.
Borges called a great game if you consider how bad the o-line has played in the past 4 weeks and how well the offense did against ohio. Mattison looked bad, but I'm sure a lot of that was talent/scheme from ohio.
The go for 2 decision was a great call in my opinion, but how big would a field goal been before the half?
Something clicked today on offense, obviously. I am not sure what it was. It might have been the fact that it was The Game, but the execution was by far and away the offense has displayed since the ND. To my eye, it was mostly the OL actually blocking and giving the RB's some creases to run through. Ohio's defense had to respect the run, and the play-action passes were that much more effective.
All season long Borges has been preaching execution and the effect it has on play calling. It doesn't take much, just a decent runs on first down, and the flow of the offense is totally different. I thought Borges called some great screens, especially late in the game. I've been saying for a while now that I think the coaching staff took a dogmatic approach to play-calling and scheme in the hope that the young OL would finally "get it" against a good defense. Today, I think they "got it" and hopefully have turned the corner against a very good OSU defense, and I think the staff's willingness to keep grinding payed off.
This game went about how I expected, except our offense kept pace with their offense. I was very dissappointed in the defense's inability to stop their run, but then, with that OL (notice they had 100+ collective starts?), Braxton, and of course Hyde, it's not surprising.
I've very proud of Team 134, and I think the staff did a great job getting them ready to play.
Not going for field goal on 4 and 2 probably cost us the win.
I agree ford, the refs were pathetic and gutless. I saw uncalled holding several times on OSU's front 7. Realize this happens every game, yada yada yada but
1. Frank Clark gets an "unsportsmanlike" penalty of 15 yards for getting in Miller's face, briefly, after a tackle. DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT MILLER'S HAND made contact with Clark's face mask? What the heck was that call? Because you want to "calm down" the game post-fight?
2. Multiple times, Hyde gets big gainers up the middle and he clearly gets up and hovers over our guys after the play and talks smack. Where is the call there??? Clearly unsportsmanlike conduct if we're going by the precedent set by a 15-yarder on Clark.
3. Late hits on Gardner, resulting in no flag: there is just one that really sticks out, in my mind. Third quarter (I believe) Gardner had released it right before the lineman crashes into his mid-section. Now, I realize physics etc etc but if you watch the play, the lineman clearly pauses, then proceeds to send Gardner harder to the turf. This pause by the lineman makes it more then likely it should have been a penalty.