Shrine game practices - Devin Gardner and Jake Ryan

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http://thebighousereport.com/2015/01/devin-gardner-looking-good-wr-shri…

According to the Big House Report blog, DG is turning a few heads and performing well in practices at WR. Hope he successfully make the transition to WR (again) and gets some good pub going into the draft.

Also, an interesting link from NFL.com on "who's talking to who" at practices:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000458465/article/whos-talking-to-…

Atlanta Falcons have met with both DG and JR, and looks like the Vikings may also be interested in DG. 

Another article from yesterday on nfl.com on DG's transition

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000457713/article/michigans-devin-…

Asked to provide a self-scouting report, Gardner said, "Good athlete. A lot of range. A little raw. Competes like hell." He did look more at ease during drills Tuesday than he did on Monday's opening day. He looked to be more comfortable getting into his cuts and appeared a bit more natural catching the ball. But he did admit there were times Tuesday when he thought about being at quarterback again, most notably "every time I got a bad ball. Come on -- there's no pass rush.",

 

EDIT:

Another site, realgm, has a few tidtbits.

http://football.realgm.com/analysis/2583/Shrine-Bowl-Practices-Monday-T…

 

Former Michigan QB Devin Gardner is moving back to wide receiver, where he played for the Wolverines before donning #98 and took over for Denard Robinson. He’s an outstanding athlete, and he moves like a bigger wideout should with purpose to his steps. His hands have proven inconsistent, with a lot of drops on shorter routes where the ball is getting to him too quickly. He needs to learn to get his head around quicker and have his hands ready to make the catch. The raw ability is there, but it’s not going to be a quick transformation. I like the concept of taking him in the 6th or 7th round and stashing him on the practice squad for a year, which I believe is his impending fate.

 

Unfortunately, has Jake Ryan in the "guys who are not having good weeks so far" category:

 

Michigan LB Jake Ryan looked terribly stiff in coverage drills and too passive in team session

Magnum P.I.

January 14th, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^

"No pass rush" probably doesn't compute for DG.

 

...unless he was paying attention when M was on defense.

 

I hope he catches on and has a long NFL career.

Michigasling

January 14th, 2015 at 3:12 PM ^

I can just picture him saying that.  Turning on the charm and humor.  Glad he's getting looked at for the NFL, but if he doesn't get looked at for a post-NFL media career, I'll eat a lemon.  (Okay, I like lemons.  Nevertheless...)

And then he'll use his social work skills in his spare time.

CarrIsMyHomeboy

January 14th, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^

If you hate me for saying it, then I hate your behavior right back: Devin Gardner was such an easy guy to root for. By all accounts, a great influence. I'll miss knowing he's on campus. Give 'em hell, DG!

Blau

January 14th, 2015 at 3:05 PM ^

DG has got to be the ultimate competitor. He came in as QB, switched to WR, then back to QB and then is hoping to get drafted back as a WR again. He survived two coaching changes and three very different OCs. That's a lot of transition. Good luck, Devin!

samsoccer7

January 14th, 2015 at 3:09 PM ^

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but I feel he could have been a stud if he went to OSU or (now) Arizona or somewhere that could really take advantage of his talent and have a decent O-line.  The guy just got shell-shocked.  His internal clock was messed up, he thought he was gonna get hit every damn dropback, and I think it really changed him as a player.  If he had better QB coaching I think he could have gotten over it, but either Nuss isn't that great or DG was too damaged he couldn't be repaired.  Glad he has a great attitude and I really hope he makes it in the league as a WR.

Tater

January 14th, 2015 at 3:23 PM ^

Michigan had more talent than nine of the teams they played and ended up losing to four of those teams.  That always says more about the scheme on offense than any one player on the team.  DG didn't suddenly turn into a QB who couldn't do anything; there was nothing for him to do.  

There was no separation because defenses knew where the receivers were going before DG could even see them.  Except in a few games, there were no holes for running and nobody was fooled into leaving the edge open.  He was told to stay in the pocket, but for the most part there was no pocket.  

DG's only "shortcoming" in 2014 was not being enough of a chef or alchemist to make chicken soup out of chicken feathers.

Space Coyote

January 14th, 2015 at 7:11 PM ^

The thing about that is that I don't think many of the spread systems focus enough on QB mechanics for him to get where he'd need to get in those systems. Rich Rod famously teaches very little mechanics. At OSU they teach a marginal amount and go from there (much of the mechanics is focused on footwork and ball handling in the run game and reads, not in passing mechanics). DG's mechanics were awful coming into college. There was no way with those mechanics he would have been consistent enough throwing the football to be a viable NFL player.

Gardner's best shot at the NFL and sticking in the NFL was in a system like Michigan's, similar to Young while at Texas. A sort of hybrid NFL style offense that mixed in some of his athletic strengths. People say he needed a spread system, but Borges ran him plenty but provided him enough tools from a throwing mechanic standpoint where he looked like a very likely NFL prospect early on. If the OL would have stood up at all in 2013, I have little doubt DG would have looked like an NFL prospect QB at the end of 2013 (though he still had many flaws in his game that needed to be improve, he was at a level in terms of making the throws that were required to be an NFL QB).

A simpler system (such as a spread-to-run system) may have helped him as far as defensive reads prior to the NFL, which may have allowed him to get drafted as a QB. There is certainly a good chance it would have made him a better college QB. But it only would have seen him exposed once he got his opportunity in the NFL, and once exposed that grossly, his career would have been over quickly. He absolutely has trouble reading defenses regardless, and he would in the NFL in an NFL system with NFL defenses. He needed the opportunity to learn that skill in college to improve enough to ever be a viable NFL QB long term.

So I disagree that he needed to go to that type of system and he'd be an NFL QB. He needed a system much like the one that he was in, that showed off his skills as a runner (he ran the ball about 12 times a game) while improving his skills in the passing game. But he needed a program without a sieve for an OL to actually allow him to continue improving not just in practice, but just as importantly with game experience. Instead, the game experience likely ruined him, not the system. The system displayed many of his strengths (run threat, arm strength, and play designs that accounted for marginal accuracy at times).

Bloggy Style

January 14th, 2015 at 3:10 PM ^

I haven't seen any post about the short article on DetNews about Jay Harbaugh as our TE coach.  Seems thread-worthy but I'm not a thread-starter.  I'm pretty sure it hasn't been posted yet in a coaching related thread.  Neg me if you want.  Maybe I missed it. 

Go Blue.

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Sports

January 14th, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^

Surprising to read that Ryan has struggled. Hopefully he gets that sorted out. He really was dominant at Michigan, particularly before he was switched to Mike.

justingoblue

January 14th, 2015 at 4:03 PM ^

I was thinking of going on Saturday but don't think I've ever even watched a full one on TV. How is the game usually? Would there be any chance to grab a picture/autograph or whatever with DG or Ryan?

Please advice.

tolmichfan

January 14th, 2015 at 10:38 PM ^

What I find completely hilarious about your statement, is that Green Bay has played Clay Mathews a ton at their inside backer position this year. Green Bay also credits this move with shoreing up their defense. Guess what we did with Ryan, moved him inside. So maybe Clay Mathews is playing more like Jake Ryan than Ryan playing like Mathews.

Zoltanrules

January 14th, 2015 at 4:09 PM ^

and lifting all day with agency (he has graduated and moved from A2) to bulk up for the combines may have caused Jake's current evaluation. I'm sure he'll do fine come April and will be a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Michigan4Life

January 14th, 2015 at 4:24 PM ^

struggled in practices. Most have him at 5th/6th rounder.  They think his best fit is at 3-4 ILB and is strictly a 2 down LB. He needs to show that he can play special team or he won't last long in the NFL.

NowTameInThe603

January 14th, 2015 at 5:24 PM ^

I said it before the season. DG should have been at WR and Morris should have started from the very beginning. Talk about simplifying the offense throw it up to either side.....

but o well

HARBAUGH!

M-GoGirl

January 14th, 2015 at 5:53 PM ^

he does on every single other day of the week. Classy young man. One thing he will never be: a divisive, trouble-ridden self-promoter who poisons a locker room. I hope he finds the mad success in the NFL he deserved to have on the field in Ann Arbor. Outside of football, he's already proven himself as a quality person. No doubt he will go on the do great things in the world.

HANCOCK

January 14th, 2015 at 7:41 PM ^

As an Atlanta Falcons fan, that sounds awesome. Even if we got one of them I would be pumped. 

 

The last Falcon player from Michigan that I can remember is Jay Feely. And of course we had Mike Kenn at LT for a decade+. 

 

 

oriental andrew

January 15th, 2015 at 9:36 AM ^

Born and raised in ATL. A few guys from msu (rison, duckett) and osu (jenkins), but can't recall anyone from UM other than Feely in recent memory. There were murmurs that Atlanta was going to draft Lewan, but that obviously didn't happen (went with Jake Matthews instead).

Looking at the draft history, I had forgotten that they also drafted deandre cobb from msu, and that Kenn is the last Michigan guy they drafted - in 1978. Before that, they also took Carl Russ (LB, '75), James Coode (T, '74), and the great Billy Taylor (RB, '72).

Sidenote: wow, didn't realize Billy Taylor had such a tragic life after his career at Michigan ended.

chatster

January 14th, 2015 at 8:38 PM ^

I'm guessing that you meant "DG" and not "DR."  Per East-West Shrine Game Rosters . . . For the East squad, LB Cole Farrand of Maryland was assigned number 47 and Tennessee-Chattanooga's DL Davis Tull was assigned number 90 on defense, so Jake Ryan was denied the opportunity to wear either of the numbers he wore at Michigan.

chatster

January 16th, 2015 at 11:32 AM ^

You are correct, sir!

I'd forgotten that Jake Ryan had been assigned number 37 as a true freshman on the 2010 roster. Will Heininger wore number 39 that year.  No one wore number 90, and number 47 was still "retired."

Considering how that 2010 season ended, I guess I was trying to forget almost everything about it.