Should the UM-osu game be played on Thanksgiving weekend?

Submitted by crg on August 5th, 2023 at 5:41 PM

A topic that has come up on various discussions here has now been broached again due to the coming Big Ten expansion: scheduling of existing conference matchups, specifically The Game.

Looking back at prior years, it seems like every game from 2010 onwards was played on the weekend after Thanksgiving (which many consider a holiday weekend).  The majority (with a few exceptions) of seasons before 2010 had The Game on the weekend just before Thanksgiving.

Obviously people here have different opinions on that - and feel free to share them.

I would like to pose a question *primarily* to any here who were Michigan students during any the years 2010 and after (although this could be true for others as well):  did having The Game over the course of a holiday weekend prevent you from attending (assuming you would have otherwise)?

My suspicion is that many students from out of state (or even in-state with families not near Ann Arbor) would be less likely to attend... and more likely to sell their tickets on the secondary market (making it easier for OH & MI dwelling osu fans to attend, who are less affected by holiday travel since the vast majority of osu students are in-state).  Yet - I have no data or reports to verify this... only the swaths of red in the Big House stands in recent games that seem greater now than "back in the day".

Any *useful* comments or anecdotes are appreciated... maybe someone involved in future scheduling may see them and take into consideration.

Vasav

August 5th, 2023 at 6:05 PM ^

Agreed. I think rotating divisions is the ticket - a west coast 4, an iowa-and-rivals 4, and then duos of IL schools, IN schools, and Atlantic schools. One threesome - MI and OSU - and then Penn St as a lonesome unrivaled. In 3 seasons you play everyone, in 6 you visit every campus and play everyone thrice. M-OSU will always be in the same division and you'll never play a rematch in Indy (or Pasadena)

San Diego Mick

August 6th, 2023 at 2:01 AM ^

Been a huge fan for 50 years. Started following recruiting in 1975, I am a traditionalist for the most part.

With that being said, would it be awful if the game was moved to the first Saturday of November? It's late enough in the season to still be a big deal and would avoid having to play each other in back to back weeks, potentially. 

The Alabama/LSU game is always that weekend. I wouldn't mind that, we'll just have to beat 3rd base in nicer weather, kinda like we did last year...on their precious home field.

snarling wolverine

August 6th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^

The question isn't whether it should be the last game of the season, but whether we should play it the weekend before Thanksgiving or the weekend after.  I definitely preferred it the weekend before.

But as for this...

two 9 team divisions

That would mean that we, OSU and PSU would practically never play the ex-Pac-12 schools.  No way would the Big Ten (or its advertisers) be happy with that.  They didn't bring in SC and Oregon to play Minnesota every year, they want them to play the big boys in the East.  That's why there won't be divisions.

leonidaswolverine

August 5th, 2023 at 5:50 PM ^

I am of two minds - I often go home to Ann Arbor for thanksgiving so it's great to be there, but often times there are family responsibilities that weekend that make it difficult to properly tailgate/watch/celebrate. My dad even had the gall to get remarried the day of our 2021 win. 

I do like having it be the last weekend of the regular season - adds some heft to the game, and in my opinion adds to the intensity and stakes of the game. Obviously it would be a huge game even on the first week of the season, but you can't be the implications for the playoffs and bowl games that come from it being the last game. 

jmblue

August 5th, 2023 at 5:51 PM ^

OSU's record against us since 2001 probably has a lot to do with their fan numbers since then. 

But I'm sure having the Game on Thanksgiving weekend is an inconvenience from a travel standpoint for a lot of people, and while it isn't for me personally, I don't like it because it makes that weekend really busy.  I'd definitely rather do it the weekend before and have Thanksgiving week off.

Vasav

August 5th, 2023 at 6:08 PM ^

Yea I enjoyed having it before Thanksgiving when I was a student in the '00s. I think I'd like that better than having it Thanksgiving weekend (again from a students' perspective - as an alum, doesn't really matter to me). But either way, I think it should be the last regular season game

Team 101

August 5th, 2023 at 6:33 PM ^

It was moved to Thanksgiving in part to eliminate the rust factor in the Bowl Game but I suspect the real reason was TV money.

There were a couple of games Thanksgiving in the late 80's.  I'm don't know why - There was MgBlog then; just The Wolverine and the Detroit papers.

BuckeyeChuck

August 5th, 2023 at 7:12 PM ^

Yes, they added the bye week because they extended the season a week later to reduce the "rust factor."

In addition, that was when they established a CCG and wanted to play it the same day as other CCGs thus wanted to play conference games the week immediately prior to the CCG.

MGoStretch

August 5th, 2023 at 9:31 PM ^

As it stands now, Thanksgiving is the PAC12 of holidays. Santa has already nibbled away at November and is poised to take over the entire month. Thanksgiving should consider aligning itself with either St Patrick’s day for a drunk pilgrim month or maybe the Fourth of July. If I remember correctly, the pilgrims fled England because of restrictions on their bottle rockets.

J. Redux

August 6th, 2023 at 12:24 AM ^

Word on the street is that Halloween is deep in conversations with Presidents’ Day on a potential tie-up to try to survive the Christmas media rights onslaught.  I heard they’ve got a deal in place with Patrick Swayze’s estate for him to model their Dead President’s Mask crossover item, although Johnny Utah, Ohio’s only likable quarterback, is looking into potential recruiting violations.

GoBlueGoWings

August 5th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^

This year will be interesting to see how much scarlet is in the stadium 

If you have tickets to The Game and your family is upset that you went to The Game instead of going home, get a new family. A real family will understand 

 

 

k1400

August 5th, 2023 at 11:46 PM ^

My oldest son and I are in that picture, down on the field.   It was so glorious.  The whole thing.  The first time I was on that field was 1997, with my brother who has since passed.  My son is named after my brother.

I was on the field in 2011 too, and while it was beautiful, it didn't feel as glorious as 1997 or 2021.

OldMaize16

August 5th, 2023 at 6:21 PM ^

I think having it thanksgiving weekend is an advantage for OSU with their school having a significantly greater percentage of instaters. I’m from MI and never went to the game in school as it was one of the few times to see all of my family together.

Team 101

August 5th, 2023 at 6:29 PM ^

It should be the last game of the regular conference season and should be played the Saturday after Thanksgiving or the Saturday before.  Not the Friday after.

It should be played only in the daytime.

It should be a home and home series and never played at Ford Field or any other so-called neutral site.

No rematch for a conference championship.  I'm not excited about a rematch in the CFP but I don't know how to get around it unless we junk the CFP (which I'd be okay with).

The Michigan Football I grew up with and I am afraid of losing was all centered on a climax of a game against Ohio State at the end of the season hopefully for a championship or for pride if we had a down season.  Anything that happens after is anticlimactic.

Third Base is wrong - If the Game is held in October, what is the point of sitting in the cold in November.

MacGyver

August 5th, 2023 at 6:36 PM ^

In 1989 The Game was the Saturday after Thanksgiving. I was a sophomore. I was there and it was glorious.
 

I’ve attended every year since 2003. Finally saw Michigan win at the Shoe after 9 attempts. The post-Thanksgiving trips to Columbus are probably over for me but I’ll be at The Game in Ann Arbor for the foreseeable future.

Hail!

stephenrjking

August 5th, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^

The move was both practical from a season length standpoint and practical from a postseason break standpoint. People forget, but there was some justified consternation that B1G schools were idle for two extra weeks compared with their warmer-climate counterparts; whether that *actually* influenced the outcomes of, say, the 2006 postseason or not (I recall a fair amount of talk about Troy Smith getting out of shape, at least in message-board-land), speculation holds that it was a disadvantage for us to have such a long break. And I think that speculation is correct. 

The reality is that with a permanent 12-game-season it's no longer feasible not to have The Game there. And The Game belongs there. There is nothing like it and there never will be, and we should hang on to every last vestige of what it college football has been in ways like this. Don't get nihilistic; with traditions everywhere crumbling, there is no reason not to buttress this one in hardened steel. 

BTW I think Donovan Edwards just scored again. 

gasbro

August 5th, 2023 at 7:12 PM ^

I’m gonna say no.

It was the week before thanksgiving when I was a student - culminating in ‘97 season/‘98 graduation (suck it bitches). I don’t like that students have to be there over the holiday weekend or miss the game.

Carcajou

August 6th, 2023 at 7:24 PM ^

For a four year student, two of the games will be in Columbus. I know it's a head-scratcher, but a lot of students don't care about football anyway. So we're only talking about some students, half the time. And I can easily imagine such students deciding to spend one of the remaining years attending the game, and the other year watching on TV back at home.

While they might be out of state, traveling on Black Friday is not out of the question for a large , so Thanksgiving at home and the Big House on Saturday are definitely doable.