Shea Patterson’s first M interview
December 13th, 2017 at 1:44 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 2:58 AM ^
You may already know this, but just to share with those who don't, Shea tore his PCL, not his ACL. Prognosis with long term return to preinjury levels is even more common with his injury.
December 13th, 2017 at 7:27 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^
It has come a long way.
December 13th, 2017 at 7:48 AM ^
Does PCL normally require surgery? Did Shea have it?
December 13th, 2017 at 8:59 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act
December 13th, 2017 at 9:23 AM ^
PCL tears dont normally require surgery if you can handle a little bit of soreness. I actually have a torn PCL and have lived with it for roughly 7 years now. Granted I am not a D1 college football player, but I am a pretty stellar Beer League Softball player. The doctor who diagnosed me, actually said that Barry Sanders played most of his career with a torn PCL (not sure the validity).
Heres a link that might help you understand after a quick Lougle search... http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/sport-injuries/knee-pain/pcl-injury
December 13th, 2017 at 1:45 AM ^
I'm so excited for this QB competion. Whoever wins is gonna be a good one.
December 13th, 2017 at 2:02 AM ^
I agree. I kind of half-jokingly predict Dylan McCaffrey to win the job, but whomever actually gets the job is going to be someone I have a lot of optimism about. It won't be a default win or mistake.
I expect the receivers to take a huge leap next year. Our running game will be good. Our defense will be great (come back please, Chase). Our tackles are a huge question, but I am foolishly optimistic.
Upshot: Good QB play can get us into the playoff, in my opinion.
Great QB play can win it.
December 13th, 2017 at 2:13 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 6:14 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 8:11 AM ^
face value. Unfortunately there are scant few scenarios where a 1 loss Alabama team gets jumped by a 1 loss >insert team name here< for that final spot in the CFP, no matter their ooc schedule strength.
December 13th, 2017 at 8:44 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:16 AM ^
One loss Michigan jumps one loss Alabama and anyone else in the country. Michigan will be playing at least five ranked teams and probably three or four top ten teams. ND,osu,wsu and psu. I think that trumps anyone elses schedule by a long shot.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:05 AM ^
hasn't the commitee repeatedly rewarded good wins more than punishing bad losses?
With this brutal (yet awesome) schedule, Michigan is absolutely in charge of it's own destiny.
Can't ask for more than that.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:02 AM ^
If the last two years have said anything about the committee, it's that they aren't putting in a two-loss team. Even if they win their conference, just ask PSU and OSU about that. No more than one loss and a Big Ten title gets us in.. but first let's worry about protecting whoever the QB is. Whoever is under center will be good, but if we can't protect them it doesn't matter.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^
It depends on the two losses and what the other top teams are doing. Auburn would have made it this year if they had won the SEC Championship game. Two "good" losses in a year where there's a lot of highly ranked teams with weak schedules and/or blow out losses would be enough but those same two losses in a year with 4 other clear top teams wouldn't.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^
OK, fair points.. So we could, in theory, lose to ND (2 conference losses isn't getting us the division and our other OOC are not that great WMU and SMU) and still win the B1G East at 8-1 and be an 11-2 B1G Champ in the playoff.. However, I'd prefer to not entertain losses to ND.
Edit: A loss to Wisconsin or OSU would be the only other "good" loss potential. I don't see PSU getting any better, in fact I think they drop off quite a bit. And a loss to OSU means we'd need them to lose 2 conference games again.. So I guess my point is based off our OOC schedule and the B1G being what it is, we'd be hard pressed to be 10-2 and make the B1G champ game and then the playoff.. Absolutely possible though.
December 13th, 2017 at 2:22 AM ^
With average QB play, we're 11-1 this season.
With good/great QB play, we're 12-0.
To put things into perspective, consider this: say a person predicted in December 2014 (or January 2015) that Michigan would finish 8-4 (instead of 10-2, 11-1, 12-0) in year 3 of Harbaugh becuase of poor QB play and injuries. Would you have believed him? I certainly wouldn't have. And yet it's true.
That said, I hope the nonsense we had to endure this season balances out next season. There's a lot of reasons to be optimistic. Starting in 2018, almost everyone on the team will be a Harbaugh player and most everyone will have had at least 2 years under his leadership. Michigan is set up for success in the 2018 and 2019 seasons.
December 13th, 2017 at 2:32 AM ^
There's no way we're going 12-0. We have road games at Notre Dame, MSU and OSU, and then have to beat Northwestern, PSU and Wisconsin at home. That's six games against teams that won 9+ in 2016; the chances of winning all six are exceedingly low.
I think 10-2 with a 2-1 record against our rivals is a solid bet. It's hard for me to see us exceed that, based on available information.
December 14th, 2017 at 6:38 AM ^
Example: Despite having more talent than just about every program in the country nearly every season, Nick Saban and Alabama finished with only 3 perfect regular seasons in 10 seasons: 2008, 2009, and 2016.
And only one of those seasons (2009) ended with a perfect record. Moreover, if Colt McCoy doesn't get injured in the 1st quarter of the BCS National Championship Game, 2009 Bama probably loses to Texas (given Saban's well established history of getting shredded by high-powered spread offenses led by elite QBs).
Another example: Through 3 complete seasons of the CFB Playoff, only 3 teams (out of 12 participants) entered with an undefeated record. None of them finished undefeated. This season, all 4 Playoff team have one loss.
There's no denying that Michigan will face a brutal 2018 schedule but it can be managed. Harbaugh and his coaching staff will earn their salaries next season.
December 13th, 2017 at 5:19 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 6:47 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 8:14 AM ^
that will be minus Barkley and McSorley? That PSU? Might want to re-think that.
Edit. Woops. That was an oddly worded exchange there. I thought you meant this coming year. Ignore me and carry on.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:20 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 11:22 PM ^
I meant 2017 obviously. But you are correct, sir.
(And what a wonderful thing that was.)
December 13th, 2017 at 2:55 PM ^
Northwestern is also on the road. Literally a UM home game usually, but it's in Evanston.
December 13th, 2017 at 11:21 PM ^
As you say :)
December 13th, 2017 at 2:54 AM ^
There are stll a lot of question marks. How will the OL progress and will there still be a gaping hole at RT? Can the defense stay healthy and recover from the loss of Mo Hurst? Not to mention we have never seen Patterson operate in Harbaugh's offense, and Peters--while much better than O'Korn--wasn't exactly Andrew Luck.
This is a big coup for Harbaugh, but literally all four teams that beat Michigan this year did so in part because they already had functioning QBs. Lewerke, McSorely, Hornibrook, and Haskins all return next year. They will improve and don't have to learn a new offense. I don't want to be a party pooper but I think people need to tone it down a bit with the expectations. The Patterson get doesn't suddenly change everything since Peters was already a very viable option and there's no guarantee Patterson will put up the same numbers he did at Ole Miss.
December 13th, 2017 at 8:46 AM ^
McSorely without Barkley is not the same guy. Hornibrook is not good. Lewerke is not bad but I think we beat them next year in any scenario. Haskins is legit and I think much better than Barrett at throwing the ball. That one will be a loss in my mind until we can prove we belong.
The expectations shouldl be high. They should be 10-2 and 2-1 against the traditional 3 major rivals. The team will be loaded with only one real area of concern in the offensive line. Shoring up ONE area in the offseason is doable.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:10 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^
gaping hole at RT? Dont you mean LT?
December 13th, 2017 at 6:15 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 7:21 AM ^
And a propensity to throw INTs
And underwhelming receivers who are still trying to figure things out on their own
And difficulty taking snaps under center
Other than that though....
December 13th, 2017 at 7:27 AM ^
Please explain why you think he's guaranteed to start.
I'll explain why I think he's not:
1) He's never run an NFL offense under center
2) He's never had to progress through reads in the pocket
3) He's never had to read an entire defense for coverage and blitzes (only parts of it for an RPO)
4) He's never seen Harbaugh's playbook
5) WR route tree's and hot routes are all different from what Ole Miss used
6) Peter's will have ~5 games of starting experience, and an entire bowl practice season (15 practices) running the first team offense before Patterson can even enroll
It will be a battle, but my opinion says Peters...
December 13th, 2017 at 8:43 AM ^
I do think the reasoning is somewhat off.
1. No one in college runs a NFL offense, because they are in college (perhaps a NFL-style offense...but that is not the same)
2. Not sure how you can say this. He NEVER had a pass play call other than a roll out? He certainly had multiple reads in every pass play (otherwise it would be just a single receiver in the pattern)
3. Again, how can you state this affirmatively...he NEVER had to read a D for coverage and blitzes? Somehow you know that each pass play he threw to a receiver (or attempted to throw to a receiver) that was determined before the team lined up? there were no reads at all?
4. Again, not sure how you can state this. You don't think that part of the recruitment process (even accelerated) was a discussion of what type of offense and plays JH calls? Alternatively, given JH reputation for adjusting the O to the talent he has, even assuming your assertion is correct, perhaps there would have been no benefit to showing him a playbook that wouldn't be used if Shea wins the job. Perhaps there will be more spread concepts in the playbook next year, which would put Shea in a better position than Brandon, no?
5. Sure about that? 100% different? 50% different? No common routes at all?
6. You're 100% correct; however, don't discount the fact that Shea actually has more game experience than Brandon. Shea has more game and 1st team practice experience since he has approximately 400 pass attempts, 3000 yards and was a starter for more games than Brandon.
I agree it will be a battle and that the best QB will start, but I don't this these are headwinds Shea will have to overcome. Do not forget that under JH, Jake Ruddock didn't get to AA until the summer and still started the season opener.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:13 AM ^
I'll agree with everyone of your assessments - if you take them all to logical extremes. Standing in the pocket and making progressive reads through four WRs is not something that is done often in a college spread. It is done consistently in an NFL based offense, especially in passing spreads that it appears Harbaugh wants to install. Baker Mayfield is running a version of the Air Raid that is far easier to handle than whatever it is Tom Brady or Matthew Stafford are currently managing. He'll learn that in the league, but Harbaugh is asking his QBs to learn a lot of it now. And discussing plays is very different from running them.
I do think that Harbaugh will tailor plays to the talent he has, and Patterson would no doubt get more RPOs and QB draws than Peters might. But all three QBs have wheels, they can all run those plays. And there is no way Harbaugh will toss out his NFL based offense for a college spread. He won with it at USD, Standford, SF, and Michigan (as a player and coach), and his dad won a national chapmionship with it at WKU. He's not abandoning his NFL offense.
Also, there is a big difference between a mobile QB in the NFL (Wilson, Newton, etc) versus a 'dual threat' QB in college (Barrett, Khalil Tate, Lamar Jackson). Ole Miss asked Patterson to be one of those dual threat guys, but Harbaugh will ask him to be 'NFL mobile', which (I think) fits him better.
I think we think the same way, we're just saying it differently...
December 13th, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^
On ESPN yesterday they said that before the Cincinnatti game last year they asked Harbaugh how many plays were in the playbook and he said 250. For Ole Miss they said it was 25. Might explain why it took so long to get comfortable enough to put in Peters.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:37 AM ^
Why would anyone in their right mind mention Okorn and Patterson in the same sentence. If you think Okorn and Patterson are similar in any way your thought process may just be a little flawed. I would not guarantee Patterson starting next year, but he averaged over three hundred yards a game in the SEC. JOK could not throw for three hundred yards in any game and Patterson did it easily against good competition.
I don't care who starts next year, but one thing I will gaurantee you is he will be much better than JOK. After I saw Okorn play against Indiana last year I knew what his talent level was. Patterson brings a little bit more to the party so I could see why people are excited.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:00 AM ^
This isn't the Freep's comment section - you are expected to be able to read with comprehension here. Re-read what he said (and don't look for pictures) - he did not, in any way, shape, or form, compare Patterson to JOK.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:10 AM ^
Sort of.
I think he starts as QB1 in the fall. Peters and DM will have their chance to take it. I dont predict they will.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:26 AM ^
Love the confidence, but would be interested to know what he's "hearing". From the article:
“From what I’m hearing, I’m pretty sure that I will win that and be able to play next year. If I don’t, I’ll work as hard as I can learning the offense and I’ll be playing the year after.”
December 13th, 2017 at 10:06 AM ^
That's what I thought too, and thought "how confident of him," but the more I read it I believe he is referring to the outcome of the transfer/eligibility to play challenge with the NCAA.