Second occurance of former players calling fans "muggles"
The short version of the comments from said former players were that people not involved with the program created a mob to oust Brandon in order to "feel better about themselves emotionally". The follow up comment clarified "people not involved" to mean "muggles". Then another former player followed up and said "muggles...smh".
I don't know if it's just me, but this is really disappointing stuff to see. I know as an Alum and fan, this alienates me to an extent. I could be wrong, but I get the impression that these sentiments are shared amongst a lot of players. We want the best for our current athletes and students, so for them to express what I take as disdain for fans baffles me.
I guess I'm just looking for other peoples' take on the situation.
EDIT: to clarify, this is not in reference to the original Mealer tweet. This is a separate occurrence in which the comments were made on FB by a different player, not Elliot.
Edit 2: Title updated. I can see how this would be seen as redundant without reading the entire OP
November 2nd, 2014 at 2:07 PM ^
November 2nd, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^
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November 2nd, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^
I'm sure the athletes feel that for us it's entertainment but for them it's a big chunk of their life. And that's true, in part. Theirs is a fraternity of some very hard training, work, and bonding in a special way.
There's a natural feeling in some that because they put in the effort, not the rest of us, they should have a big say in who runs the show.
We, who pick up the tab, naturally feel differently. Everyone tends to look at a situation from their own perspective.
For them, Brandon was a teammate who gave them great facilities and treated them well. For us, Brandon was busy torching what we love most about the games.
We have to remember that Brandon was not unpopular in the program, nor is Hoke. There's going to be some anger and disconnect between factions just as there was in 2008.
November 2nd, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^
Imagine if something similar to the last seven years happened at Ohio. It's a shame that our fans are proactive and non-violent in their passion and our former players and alum call us a "mob." I think Herbstreit understands this better because he had to deal with a real mob when he told the truth about their dirty program. Imagine if that team didn't perform. People might actually die.....
November 2nd, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^
I could live with that "insult." Precursors of The Mamas & the Papas AND The Lovin' Spoonful -- not too shabby! . . . Musical embed for the Board.
November 2nd, 2014 at 2:12 PM ^
November 2nd, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^
I had a feeling that they were the Mugwumps you meant. . . . But I'm always happy to be reminded of my college radio days when, on occasion, I could discover a rare album that had some interesting historical significance (even if that history wasn't as significant as a political reform movement of the late 1800s.) . . . You get my upvote.
November 2nd, 2014 at 2:14 PM ^
The "Mugwumps" who were political activists and reformers who left the Republican Party and helped Democrat Grover Cleveland win the Presidential Election of 1884 -- and some others, including Mark Twain, Carl Schurz, Thomas Nast.and Louis Brandies.
November 2nd, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^
November 2nd, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^
November 2nd, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
Any non-Expert-class USCF chess players are muggles. If you can't throw a decent hammer in ultimate frisbee you're a muggle. Haven't taken med school biochemistry? Your science education sucks, muggle.
November 2nd, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^
...had more access to Fort Schembechler, they'd know better what student-athletes and coaches go through, and thus would have better perspective. Fans have no clue b/c the football program and athletic department is set up to eliminate distraction and the indirect consequence is separation, entitlement, and ignorance.
November 2nd, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^
November 2nd, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
Lighten up Francises. At every power 5 school in the country there are divisions between the revenue athletes and the regular student population. You can pretend there isn't but there is. Players are funneled into ATHLETE majors in ATHLETE departments. Thus, it isn't surprising that they feel disconnected from the rest of the school, and resentful when it's perceived that the muggles are clamoring for changes in THEIR house. There is obviously some insecurity about the rigor of their ATHLETE majors as well. So go ahead and call me a muggle, as I don't envy the risk/pressures/incongruity of being a power 5 athlete in NCAA football, and Go Blue.
November 2nd, 2014 at 9:13 PM ^
of being a power 5 athlete in NCAA football."
Well said.
Michigan football players are under the pressure of supporting $125 tickets. Those tickets could be sold for $37.50 if the intent was only to cover the cost of running the football program.
Did "the mob" trigger the firing of Dave Brandon (and soon Hoke), or did the presence of "the mob" and the empty seats simply spotlight the iceberg in front of the Titanic?
If the season ticket wait-list has been driven away, empty seats are appearing at home games, and the fanbase is at a level of disappointment not seen in a generation, that $82 million annual revenue stream is at risk.
It was Dave Brandon that made the athletic department/non-revenue sports ultra-dependent upon a huge profit margin from the football team. And you can't force disappointed fans to pay $125 per ticket.
Basically, Dave Brandon created the environment in which Michigan Football MUST win B1G. Because if it doesn't, the whole athletic department falls apart like a house of cards.
November 2nd, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^
they are frustrated because non-experts outside the program are trashing people who they interacted with daily.
maybe instead of being morally outraged we should consider the possibility that they are significantly more informed than we are
November 2nd, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^
The closer you are the narrower your view becomes.
The results of the field speak for themselves. Fans don't know what is going behind the scenes, but they do know what they see on the field. Whatever information the players have could only help us understand why things are so bad, but then they won't be divulging that.
Football is results-driven. The results thus are far are just not good enough for a program that thumps it's chest about how good it is.
Michigan players and coaches cannot complain about demanding fans when they walk and talk as if they are football giants. The reality is that not one of them as earned the right to boast or to put on airs. That right belongs to the Woodsons, Howards, Bradys...people who have earned that right through accomplishment.
Deeds, not words, is how Michigan became elite. Someday UM will again have players and coaches who understand that.
November 2nd, 2014 at 2:28 PM ^
Rick: What's a muggle?
Turtle: A Walverine, a Michigander, like you.
Rick: I'm not a Walverine.
Turtle: Whatever, Barney.
Rick: What's a Barney?
Turtle: It's like Barno... Barnyard... a Walverine to the max, a kook in and out of the Big House. Yeah?
November 2nd, 2014 at 3:36 PM ^
That while Brandon treated students, middle class alumni and even many of the wealthy donors in a contemptable fashion, he treated student-athletes with a lot of respect and affection. There's no way there'd be this outpouring of comments from former athletes expressing good will towards Brandon after he's axed unless he had.
So yay, Brandon made one group of people happy. He made everyone else miserable so to hell with him. It just means the new AD is going to have to be a great hire who can mend fences. It's not quite the wicked witch smushed under the house that we wanted/assumed it to be.
There's no need to dwell on it or try to point fingers at athletes who express displeasure at this. The factioning needs to end.
November 2nd, 2014 at 3:36 PM ^
At this point we are grasping at straws for things to be offended by.
Folks, the Great Brandon War is over. We won. Let those on the other side get their frustration out of their system. It will pass.
November 2nd, 2014 at 4:22 PM ^
...is going to be a lot longer than the duration.
Just like the RichRod War, the War of Late Carr, even the Great War of the Excalibur, it's likely to be flaring up for years to come.
November 2nd, 2014 at 6:00 PM ^
I don't think people are quite as attached to ADs as coaches. Brandon will be a footnote in U-M athletic history in due time.
November 2nd, 2014 at 8:48 PM ^
November 2nd, 2014 at 8:39 PM ^
Sounds a lot more like herpes.
November 2nd, 2014 at 10:15 PM ^
Tickets are still $125. Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
The hiring of Harbaugh would be a a successful D-Day landing.
November 2nd, 2014 at 7:01 PM ^
I pretty much agree with the sentiments of Howard and Mealer, and I suspect a majority of students and fans, as well as current and former student athletes do, too.
A relative handful of people, upset with football losses and ticket prices, convinced themselves they were embarking on a great social cause by wrapping themselves in phony issues like the Morris incident and Brandon's supposedly corporate climate.
They took advantage of a negative media focus on Michgan and threw gas on the flame and did much more damage to the university's reputation than was necessary. If they had simply let the issues run their course and Brandon remained secure, he would have eventually fired Hoke if necessary and been perfectly capable of hiring another coach. All with the name of the school not being dragged through the crapper, at least not as much.
November 2nd, 2014 at 7:43 PM ^
Student ticket prices were reduced, concussion protocols improved and the hatred continued unabated. So, the criticism was not about improving things but about firing Brandon, so that all could be assured that Hoke would be fired. All ADs do the bullshit that Brandon did and the new one will be no different. I was disappointed that the new president gave into this and didn't stand behind Brandon. Really, how many ADs actually get fired for noodles and cokes? ADs don't even get fired for serious stuff, like OSU AD during Tressel's disgrace.
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November 2nd, 2014 at 8:18 PM ^
Gene Smith was doing his job in exemplary fashion. Why would he be fired for that?
If it had been necessary for him to fall on his sword, sure, it comes with the job. But it wasn't necessary. He handled the PR problem effectively (not an easy task, with Tressel insisting on overly elaborate responses to deposition questions and Gee letting the truth uncomfortably close to the surface in press conferences) and convinced the vast majority of observers that the problem was contained to Tressel and that University controls were adequate, even better than the typical school's. Nobody even seems to be sniffing around that program any more.
Whatever they're paying him it isn't enough. I don't know what more they could possibly have hoped for.
November 2nd, 2014 at 8:23 PM ^
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November 3rd, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^
Because the school's administration thinks that particular form of cheating is so heinous that anyone complicit should be fired?
Or because it was necessary to fire him to give a false impression that the administration feels that way?
The first is a delusion; the second proved false because the sacrifice of Tressel sufficed.
You don't fire a man for doing the job you hired him to do unless you have to. They didn't have to.
November 2nd, 2014 at 9:19 PM ^
in jeopardy.
November 2nd, 2014 at 9:54 PM ^
And I think there are only about 25 ADs that actually run in the black!
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November 3rd, 2014 at 1:22 AM ^
I've spent enough time in corporate America to recognize exactly the kind of douchebag Brandon was. People like him think they are 10 times smarter than they actually are. They come in, fire everyone who has been around for a long time (because those people actually know how things work) and then proceed to fill the ranks with people that are beholden to them and only them, because they are controllable yes men/women who will never challenge the boss. They then proceed to start wrecking the place because they don't ever listen to anyone else because they honestly think they are the only person that ever has a meaningful idea.
Not everything Brandon did was bad by any means. And some of the stuff people are mad about is silly, sure. But it was the overall attitude he had towards his position that led to him pissing off so many people (which is what led to him being gone). He felt that he was above everyone else and he made sure everyone knew it. He continually acted like an immature child, and no one in the Athletic Department stepped up to stop him because they were either a bunch of sycophant yes men/women or so scared of him that they wouldn't do it. Why wouldn't anyone step up and say "uh Dave, this skywriting thing is stupid as all f****, so maybe let's not do it OK?" The PR missteps that anyone who had taked PR 101 could have handled in their sleep was just crazy. And the amount of goodwill that he burned with alumni and fans of the university can't be measured.
So yeah, I guess if you are OK with having a 15-year old douchebag running the Athletic Department because he did part of the job well, then Dave Brandon was your guy. Personally, I expect a hell of a lot more from my school. That isn't to say we should except someone as a replacement who can't keep the donations and athletic facilities improvments coming, but maybe we can find someone who doesn't act like an ass while doing so? Maybe?
November 2nd, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^
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November 2nd, 2014 at 8:30 PM ^
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November 3rd, 2014 at 1:40 AM ^
November 2nd, 2014 at 11:03 PM ^
in some way or other.
I'm a musician. I'm pretty good at it. I don't really do it all that much anymore...never made enough money at it to be able to do it for a living; real life paid better. But when I listen to non-musicians discussing music, "Muggles" is not an inaccurate term I would use to describe them.
The football players are superior athletes who, with any coaching at all, probably should be competing for championships in the flower of their youth.
But put a guitar in their hands and I'll embarrass 'em. Promise. I don't think any less of them for that, though.