Was he committed elsewhere and then changed to OSU?
I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
Was he committed elsewhere and then changed to OSU?
Michigan took a look before he committed to PSU, and again briefly after it became clear he wanted to look around, but wasn't super interested either time for whatever reason.
Was committed to PSU. Caused an interesting mini-saga this summer. Wanted to commit to ND but was told they were full. Promptly got in touch with us to visit and possibly commit but was told no since Pipkins was committing. Not too long after visited Happy Valley and committed to PSU.
They pledged to ND, Michigan, PSU AND OSU.
COMEEE TO PENN SCHTAATE!
Has Reeves officially de-committed from Penn State yet??
wanted to go anywhere other than Penn St.. Nice to see OSU dominating recruiting again. /s
not that anyone understands why we didn't want him.
Perhaps Pipkins > Schutt to GMattison
or maybe there's something we don't know about.
Most people would agree Pipkins > Schutt. The bigger question is why not both? DL is such a priority on this team.
Seems like a lot of comments on the MGo speak to the concept of Godin and Wormley both moving inside. It's hard to say where the coaches project players. It does make sense, given Wormley's large frame or Godin who is currently 6'6 270+...height might not be ideal for the inside but, then again, GMattison moves players around and it's very hard to predict how much bigger extremely large 17 year olds are going to grow.
One possibility is Clarkie's suggestion that one or two of the guys listed as DEs could end up as DTs at Michigan. Another possibility is that the coaches thought that Pipkins wouldn't come if we took Schutt (and they preferred Pipkins). There's a lot that we don't know.
There is depth it is just unproven. We have Quinton Washington and Kenny Wilkins who is listed at DT. We still don't know where Chris Rock or Keith Heitzman projects.
Wasn't Wilkins a 4* recruit for the DL, and isn't he a RS Freshman or RS Sophomore? Also, I always assumed that Godin was going to be a DT.
lets not act like Schutts not good here. In fact, everytime I tell them about Pipkins they tell me that schutt is ranked higher on every recruiting site. it is what it is. Whatever, Ohios going to get good players, so are we....
Is there really a hell of a lot of difference between the #5 and #7 DT according to Rivals? I'll leave that to Mattison.
Scout, Rivals and ESPN all have Schutt rated higher. All that matters is that Hoke and company prefer Pipkins, but with our lack of depth at DT I don't understand not taking both.
Let's be honest, we passed on Hankins and I think we would take a mulligan on that one if we could.
This is not an exact science. Some guys will excel elsewhere, some won't. We just have to roll with the decisions we make and work harder to achieve success.
"We" was RichRod and staff. Not Hoke, Mattison and Montgomery.
At that time, most people said "trust the coaches, they know more than we do". That seems to be such a common thing still being said. I'll just never understand why. The coaches are people, like the rest of us. They're just as susceptible to mistakes. Our current staff is no different. To support every decision they make b/c they supposedly know more than us is literally stupid and really it's arrogant. It ignores the fact that there's 119 other staffs in the country evaluating players. When our staff takes a player that nobody else wanted, everyone here says "trust the coaches". So our staff is the only one that knows what they're doing? Anyway, I'm done ranting. My guess is in a couple years we're all going to be regretting their decision to not take Schutt. Especially since he's now going to be playing for our biggest rival.
This is exactly right re "trust the coaches"
I dont think most people have a problem with Schutt, in terms of taking him or not. I think some people are tired of why didn't we take him. we will never know. They are not going to say he wasnt good enough or he didnt want to come here.
In almost every thread on Schutt, there are always a few that said man, i dont know why we didnt take him. some peole are tired of hearing about this.
Average coaches have spent close to 30+ years or close to half their lives around professional/college football and we haven't? Why trust a doctor? I'm sure your mother in law watches Dr. Oz from time to time.
Agree with you....the more stars the more certain they are to land in the middle of th ebell curve for panning out. A 2 star can make - but not as certain. I trust stars given everything else because of this probability view. I trust the coaches once the person is a clear starter as a soph or JR.
So, what you're saying is that I should trust recruiting analysts at Scout, Rivals or 247 instead? Or should I just trust the vicissitudes in opinion of the 'three star mafia'?
is not really intended to imply that they don't make mistakes and we are all idiots for forming different opinions. I think it is typically intended to mean they have a much more in depth understanding of their plan for the program and how, not only the recruits, but the current players are going to be deployed (thanks, Brian, good term.)
In this instance, I say trust the coaches, and I mean, there is no way that Hoke and Mattison would not have taken Schutt is they felt he was more of a need than another DB, etc. To all of us, it appearrs as though DL is an area of great concern, and that is a fair concern since we lose both interior DLineman and we have not seen much in terms of quality replacements. We have every right to be concerned, but we don't know what the coaches know. I'm sure that our coaches are very in tune with our DL and what its strengths and weaknesses are moving forward. I think this staff has shown they can get good/great recruits. If they wanted another interior DL recruit, they would get one. This must mean that they have some people they are comfortable with on the roster or that there are areas that are raising more concerns.
This in no way is inteded to mean that the coaches don't make mistakes. This staff will recruits some busts and some kids that we turn down or don't recruit will turn out to be all americans elsewhere. My analysis on this issue is simply to trust the coaches with respect to their decision to take one interior DL. As to whether they end up taking the right one, that is the subject of fair debate.
Rich Rod and staff also got Denard at QB, Fitz Toussaint, and unearthed Jordan Kovacs from the walk on ranks.
Uhh...Denard, Fitz and Kovacs don't play DL. We seem to have an abundance of expertise at that position group, which the previous staff didn't. That was my point.
Got Fitz and never used him*
obvious troll is obvious.
was show up in shape for camp and he couldn't do that. He passed on himself. The coaches wanted to see if he was committed to do what they believed was necessary for him to be an every down player and he didn't show that drive.
Yes, it isn't exact. Although, I definitely trust our defensive coaching staff to both identify candidates for Michigan in a better way that Gerg's staff, and I trust way more in Mattison's ability to seal the deal.
Just to be clear, that was not a knock on anybody. Rather, a general comment that just because we pass on a kid doesnt mean he stinks, and vice versa.
Rich Rod made both good and bad decisions in hindsight, and so will Hoke and Mattison.
It's their ability to coach the kids once they make it on to campus that will prove to be the difference, which I have every confidence they will excel at.
another quality NT that we inexplicably slow played only to watch him go to our biggest rival. I'd frankly rather have another true NT than a 6th or 7th OL.
Depth at offensive line = Moar Denardening
and it is very likely that none of the 2012 OL's will actually be playing with Denard
that one or more 2112 OLs will play as true freshmen, and likely play a lot. M will barely have enough experienced linemen to field a starting 5.
Scholarship players who won't be true freshman: Khoury, Miller, Lewan, Schofield, Omameh, Barnum, Mealer, Bryant (did I miss someone?) ... Of that group, there's one who's been a career back-up, and two current true freshman who've never seen a snap. I don't see a likely scenario where a true freshman or two don't play a key role in 2012.
We did at first, but it was a fight to get him in the end, and we lost. This is pretty much the opposite, we started with an offer, then made it uncommitable later.
RR didn't pass on Hankins. Hankins had issues related to his attitude and being in shape and they told him that he had to get squared away before he would get an offer. Apparently, OSU didn't make the same demands.
You're right about it not being an exact science. It's too bad the process wasn't flipped between Hankins and Turner.
Why do fans of others teams come on here and post? Go waste your time somewhere else.
Is this directed at me?
Yes. You're obviously a Packer fan.
Isn't it pointless of you to constantly come on here with the sole intent of stirring the pot and being a douchebag because you root for MSU and need some sort of outlet to free yourself of the clear penis envy you feel as a result? Guess that's just MasonBilderberg being MasonBilderberg...
Also- I slept with your wife.
Glad we turned this guy down. He doesn't know up from down and loves everybody.
He was about to commit to ND, then they yanked his offer the day he was going to commit because they got a commitment from another prospect. Then he committed to Penn State. Then they found themselves in the middle of what is probably the worst scandal in college football history.
You would have behaved differently?
ND then Michigan then Penn State then tOSU.
and yes, I would have committed to Michigan when I had the chance :)
KALIS>schutt (substitute other incoming O-linemen as necessary by transitive property)
He'll never penetrate the wall we're building.