"Sad Saturday" Pep Talk

Submitted by ijohnb on
Yeah, this sucks. Worse than I thought actually. Certain fan bases are in football ecstasy right now and we are not one of them. But while you hate watch these games today, keep one thing in mind. We had no idea when Harbaugh got hired how good some of our prospects, particularly on defense were going to be. There was certain indications that we could play at a high level, but Harbaugh whipped these guys into shape fast, lightning fast. This is not the best team Harbaugh is going to have. This guy is a machine, and we have no shortage of young high level talent on the roster and in the works. Last Saturday was a painful bump in the road, but our young guys will learn from that, and they will finish that game in the future. We are probably not going to CFP, though it is not over yet. If the criteria is best four teams, maybe the committee will surprise us(if Clemson loses) and actually go with that because we are one of those 4. But if not, we are going to play Florida f-ing State in the Orange Bowl(probably). You can do a lot worse than that. Heads up today. Good things on the way. Very good things indeed.

Doctor J

December 3rd, 2016 at 2:39 PM ^

Definitely agree with this. It can be hard to maintain perspective and we all had such high expectations. Two short years ago we did not make a Bowl and it is a bummer to miss the CFP - but how far we've come and how fast! Great things on the horizon.



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Stringer Bell

December 3rd, 2016 at 2:40 PM ^

Hopefully Harbaugh learns some things from this season as well.  The 2 losses this year just felt downright Lloyd Carr-esque.  All we heard about Harbaugh was how aggressive he is as a coach, so to see him go conservative at the end of those games and have it cost us was disappointing.  There's no doubt the talent will continue to get better, hopefully the coaches do as well.

yoyo

December 3rd, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^

I felt the same way about MSU last year. We were clearly better than them and had them on the ropes the whole game but went super conservative with runs up the middle in the second half. We destroyed them this year and I'm hopeful we do the same to OSU next year, at home. Players under Harbaugh for 3 years will be better than players under him for 2, regardless of seniority. 

NateVolk

December 3rd, 2016 at 2:51 PM ^

Agreed to a point. The big difference is this offensive line can't lean on quality defenses in obvious running situations and actually grab yards. 

Teams play us and know this. They can actually gain an advantage in pass defense as a result. PInch the li

Harbaugh's playcalling is strangled by the reality of this offensive line. A lot of the success the quarterback has had against good defenses is due to his improvisational skills buying time. The line just isn't a big time outfit currently.

Stringer Bell

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^

I agree, the line hamstrung him.  But it still felt like there was more we could've done offensively when we were struggling.  Find a way to get Peppers the ball and not as a wildcat QB.  What happened to all the jet sweeps?  Seems like they went by the wayside after MSU.  It just felt like in late game situations we trimmed the playbook down significantly in an effort to run clock more than anything else, and it bit us in the ass twice.  Fact is we're gonna be in close games every year, hopefully Harbaugh learns from his mistakes this year and puts us in a better position to win those games.

westwardwolverine

December 3rd, 2016 at 6:00 PM ^

Was it the playcall that got Darboh open for a first down on a 3rd and 4 that sucked? Or was it that Speight threw it behind him and Michigan had to punt that sucked?

Was it the playcall that set up Higdon for a long gain and a first down that sucked? Or was it that he didn't make the cut and got tackeld for no gain that sucked?

bamf16

December 3rd, 2016 at 10:20 PM ^

Is your point that the playcalling as a whole, generally speaking (which is the point being made) was acceptable?  I disagree.

 

Or did you just try to find two plays that can't be bitched about to move the conversation there?  I agree with you on this one.  I'm sure in several weeks when everything dies down and the post mordems are hashed out, Wilton Speight  will be discussed at length.

 

Genuinely curious.

westwardwolverine

December 3rd, 2016 at 10:56 PM ^

My point is this: People keep saying the following things:

Our playcalling was conservative in the 4th quarter and that's why we lost! Harbaugh turned into Lloyd!

We needed to pass more on first down in the 4th quarter!

All we needed was one more first down and we would have won the game!

None of this is true (except for the third and it can't be blamed on the playcalling because the playcalls were there to get that first down).

If you didn't like the playcalls that were made after the game was 17-14, what was your issue with them? Had the players just executed two plays correctly, Michigan gets their first downs and wins the game. I only bring them up because they were the most glaring. 

 

Stringer Bell

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^

What about when OSU cut it to 17-14?  Or when we got the ball back after OSU had missed that FG, needing any sort of scoring drive to salt it away?  I get that the talent on the offensive side of the ball isn't championship caliber, but Harbaugh and co. were able to mask those talent deficiencies and produce a fairly potent offense for most of the year, but in close, late game situations it seems like he tried to rely too much on the talent that wasn't there.  

snarling wolverine

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:31 PM ^

Every offensive play we ran in regulation after we went up 17-7 is catalogued in that post.

The only time we went run-run-pass was on the last possession, after the missed FG.  There  we ran twice and picked up six yards (which is OK - it set up a manageable 3rd down) and then called the slant where Darboh got open, but the pass was a bit behind and he didn't haul it in.  I don't think that series was necessarily badly called.  We should have converted that 3rd down.

 

FrankMurphy

December 3rd, 2016 at 4:00 PM ^

The difference is that Harbaugh has done enough in his career to earn the benefit of the doubt. One thing we forget is that Speight was a three-star Hoke recruit. Though Harbaugh got him to play like a five-star at times, he consistently struggled against defenses with a pulse. Sometimes, when you can't depend on your QB to be consistent, conservatism is a wise philosophy. Lloyd Carr, on the other hand, went conservative with the likes of Tom Brady, Drew Henson, and Chad Henne taking snaps.

bamf16

December 3rd, 2016 at 10:38 PM ^

And I think Wilton Speight will (rightfully) be the most talked player going into next season.  His final numbers are pretty good at first glance.

 

183-293 for 2375, 62.5% completion percentage, 17 TDs, 6 picks

12.98 yards/completion, 8.11 yards/attempt.

 

But in the perfectly subjective "eye test" when watching other QBs both nationally and in the Big 10, how he stacks up is pretty debatable, though hushed lately because of how badly most thought O'Korn played against Indiana.  

 

Where I do wholeheartedly agree with you is that Harbaugh's done enough to earn the benefit of the doubt, but one big disagreement I had with him and his staff this season was in the running backs rotation.  As a player and coach, I always preferred to have a guy who was the workhorse, who was given a chance to get into the flow of the game.  Timings with O-linemen change from game to game depending on opponent, and I'm not entirely sure if this is something Harbaugh will do down the road in the future as he gets more of "his guys" on the roster.

 

It's easy for me to say what should have been done, but I'm not convinced that UM had an "every down" back in that stable.  Higdon showed some potential, but his lasting image of this season is his big missed run at OSU (though apologists would ask if he'd have made that mistake with more than 68 carries on the season), Evans has the big play ability, but few would argue he could have handled 20+ carries/game.  Smith is the best short yardage back they have, but I've wondered for awhile if that's really all he is, and Isaac does a lot of things "well" but couldn't fully earn Harbaugh's trust.

westwardwolverine

December 3rd, 2016 at 5:55 PM ^

Why?

Against Iowa, Speight couldn't hit a damn thing after the safety, so what was Harbaugh supposed to do? The receivers were open, he just couldn't get them the ball. And when he did get them fairly difficult catches, both Chesson and Darboh did not make a play.

Against OSU, the silliest notion is that we "Lloydballed" the game away. After Ohio State made it 17-14, Michigan passed on three first downs and ran on one first down. The only drive where they went run, run, pass, Speight had a wide open Darboh on 3rd and 4 and he missed him (and again, Darboh had the opportunity for a play and didn't make it). 

People have already made the point about the offensive line having a ceiling, so I won't go into that. But the idea that playcalling somehow cost us these two games is absurd. 

bamf16

December 3rd, 2016 at 10:40 PM ^

You've made a very good point, but it's become really nothing more than a tautology.  Just because they passed more on first down than ran in the given timeframe of the game in question doesn't equate to "good play calling."

 

All you've proven (though well) is that Michigan threw more on first down in this selected series of plays than they ran.  That, unfortunately, is not synonymous with "good play calling."

bamf16

December 4th, 2016 at 12:00 AM ^

Not true.  I both questioned and criticized during the games, while Michigan was in the lead against both teams to whom they lost.

 

You've created an argument that Michigan's play-calling was fine, and you've cited only if the playcall was a pass or a run.  The play action pass against OSU that resulted in a pick 6 was a risky play call, and an unnecessary risk given the play of the defense and the flow of the game at that point.

 

Yet, seemingly by your metric it would have counted as a net positive because it was a pass and you're not taking anything else into account except run/pass.  I'll agree with you that Michigan's play calling criticisms that they abandoned the passing game are easily and rightfully rebuked.  But the criticism of the play calling goes a whole lot deeper than run or pass on first down.  

 

I have no problem with you doubling down on it; it's an opinion issue that can/should be discussed and debated.  I just find your abandoning of it to try to dismiss not even a counterargument, but a criticism of your evaluation to be laughably juvenile.

Wolverine Devotee

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^

Yeah, and the playoffs are the next day. 

You rather go to the Outback Bowl on January 2nd, sunshine? 

Give me a break. The Orange Bowl is the second-oldest bowl game that has always been a January 1st bowl before the playoff system ruined everything. 

 

LSAClassOf2000

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^

Well, because you asked nicely, we'll bump this one back to the top later today and then again tomorrow so you get maximum enjoyment out of it. 

In all seriousness, I get that many might find this season - particularly the manner in which it ended - a bit anticlimactic, but there's no need to dissuade other users from seeing the bright side. 

Stevedez

December 3rd, 2016 at 2:48 PM ^

I keep thinking that a Clemson loss along with a pedestrian Penn State win would put us in the CFP. The reasoning is that there was a 3-way tie for the B10 East and because of how the tiebreaker came out, the weakest of the 3 teams made the championship game. While I understand the committee would like to have conference chamionships mean something... you cannot convince me that Penn State would make up for the 39 point margin of defeat were Michigan to play them right now. I just couldn't see them jumping us...

WichitanWolverine

December 3rd, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^

In his second year, Harbaugh took his team down to Columbus to face the #2 team in the country and punched them in the mouth. It took the refs to take the win away from him. We'll be ok.

Toasted Yosties

December 3rd, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^

Michigan is again among the top-tier of college football in regards to on-field performance. We have a great coaching staff and are bringing in great recruiting classes after a few down years. We are in the playoff debate right up until the end. We won 10 games. Sure, I want more, but to be sad seems shortsighted and forgetful about where we were just a few seasons ago.

The Fan in Fargo

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:44 PM ^

This is a great point oh so close to playing Bama in the playoffs. What a game it could be or could've been. Not over yet but Clemson should handle VaTech. Yall should check out the blue network guy on facebook and youtube. Says there is a big fish committing this monday or early this week. I follow him a lot. He's pretty fun listening to.