Just saw on Twitter that Ron English just put something up on Facebook about how he just receieved a call from Coach Hoke and that big news is coming out soon. English as the DC again?
in town for free camps
DOOM of Mediocrity!
It's on his facebook page not twitter
or you could read the post
No thanks. He had beastly players when he was here. I could've "coached" that group and help win 9-10 games...just sayin'.
still, for the life of me, cannot figure out how M didn't beat OSU in 2006 with that D...
He was too much. I hate facing running QBs. Such a pesk. If that was a QB like Krenzel, Michigan destroys them but Smith was unbelievable that year.
English had Woodley, Hall, Branch, Harris, Crable, Taylor, etc. Like I said, I could have won with that group.
Smith made no big plays with his legs? Just the opposite in fact, he got sacked repeatedly. We lost that game because OSU went 4 wide and negated our front 7.
That, and a certain helmet-to-helmet penalty.
Yep. I will never forget that game. We had linebackers covering slot receivers all day. We were badly outschemed.
The 4-receiver sets neutralized our front seven and forced Johnny Sears to match up against Hartline and Robiske. Brilliant tactical game planning by Tressel and the difference when our two programs were otherwise evenly matched. Like the Clarett wheel route in 2002, Tressel always seemed to have a couple tricks up his sleeve that Lloyd could never match.
You mean a phantom helmet to helmet penalty
Let's go to the tape:
What part of "helmet to helmet" isn't there? As much as it pains me to say it, that's a good call, and a must-call every single time. Crable made a dumb mistake.
It was phantom because I'm a Michigan fan and thus believe every call against us is bullshit and the other team is holding our defensive line every time.
Honestly was that helmet to helmet, I think it was a late hit more than anything but still that was a bull shit call and I'm sticking to it.
Right or Wrong, Innocent or Guilty I'm behind Michigan 100% of the time.
I find it funny that you got neg'd for that comment - regardless of the facts shown on the video. Our perception of truth is greater than the truth shown on the video.
The way I saw it was that Crable lead with his shoulder (if you slow it down, you see him tuck his head and lead his shoulder out) to make the hit. Smith was moving laterally and moved further than what Crable was expecting. Smith was one of the most elusive quarterbacks in the league and had beat us on multiple broken plays along the sideline, so I don't blame Crable for making the sure hit. It was incidental and yes could be called, but also could have been a no call. I will never blame Crable for the hit.
IIRC, the flag was thrown for a late hit not helmet to helmet, which was a questionable call too. I dont believe the NCAA or NFL were penalizing helmet to helmet hits like they our today.
You recalled incorrectly. It was a flag for helmet to helmet, not a late hit.
Doesn't matter if he led with his shoulder. That's a pretty vicious head-to-head hit, that came after Smith threw the ball, with Smith straddling the sideline. That's a no-brainer 15-yarder every single time, no matter if you're wearing your Michigan blinders or not. It was a dumb hit, an unnecessarily vicious hit, and a late hit. Dumb, undisciplined, and ill-timed, as these penalties usually are.
Smith had just released the ball. I see these types of hits all the time when the QB is in the pocket and is hit right after releasing the ball. This happens so often that they actually mention this statistic, in addition to the actual tackles, many times during the game. He did not hit him late, which would have been undisciplined and dumb, his helmet hit Troy Smith's helmet, and this was done because of the lateral movement of the play.
Repeat, the call was not a undisciplined late hit, it was a helmet to helmet call. Since Crable lead with his shoulder, it wasn't a viscous intentional hit. The call was made, and it was a ill-timed penalty, but to call anyone who disagrees with you as just having Michigan blinders on, is an obvious attempt to use ad hominem attacks when your argument isn't as strong as you think it is.
Which is why I don't want English. It took way too long to adjust to that. We played nickel for most of the first half when they were spread out. Our linebackers just couldn't keep up. We actually played somewhat better in the second half, but too little too late.
My take while watching the game 4 years ago was that we were playing scared on defense. English was an aggressive play caller that whole year, and in the tOSU game he wanted to sit back in zones and let everything develop in front of them and not attack. Their fear of getting burned kept them from doing what they did all year.
BTW, isn't English still the HC at EMU? How much damage would that do to our in state recruiting with the high schools knowing that we had a man on staff that resigned 2 weeks before NSD to take a lesser position at another in state school?
no one will fault him for leaving EMU, even if it is as DC at Michigan. It's still a step-up IMHE.
Brady Hoke has continually said it is about the kids. How would English leaving the ECU program in that manner be about kids? I cannot believe that Hoke would even entertain the idea, and if he does we will know it is all coachspeak and fluff.
Who cares about their kids. We can't touch every kid in the world.
...let's be honest. English is probably getting fired after next season anyways (as one of the very few EMU Alums who are fans on this board: My program kills coaching careers, it just happens...).
I get the same thing from my friends every time I say this but the field was horrible that game and though we both played on the same field and all of that, I believe we got the worst of that deal trying to get traction to get after Troy and those receivers of his...
Also do you remember how awful that field was in the game. i just remember woodly trying to use his speed to get off the ball and his feet just slipping and him not moving.
Yes, osu created themseves a real home fied advantage that day.
because we only played press coverage in the second half ):
OSU spread the ball out and went total anti-Tressellball. We did not adjust soon enough and that goes on both the DC and the HC.
Coaching makes a big difference with two evenly matched teams.
I give Lloyd and staff a pass for that game. It must have been real hard to coach when Bo had passed the day before, much less adapt to osu's uptempo game plan.
It was the Rose Bowl where they looked befuddled that bugged me.
I agree.. I can let the 3 point loss, on the road, to the #1 team in the land go, especially the day after Bo died. It was a great game (although the play that sticks in my head is Henne missing Manningham on a double move in the first half). But the loss to USC in the Rose Bowl was embarrassing. It looked as if we had never watched a minute of USC game film, and didn't adapt our game plan. It reminded me of Tressel vs. SEC.
what came first.. the chicken, or the egg? would those players be who they were without Mr. Ron English? The world may never know...
And why do you think we had all of those beastly players? Because Ron English is a hell of a recruiter and while his scheme had its flaws the issues were fixable and I believe he would do a solid job back as DC
That year was English's first year on staff. Said beastly players were upperclassmen. Thus Ron English did not recruit them. Instead Ron English left us with the big dearth of defensive upperclassmen we have now.
It was his first year as DC but had been on the staff since 2003 - his California connections got us leon hall, donovan warren, and of course Johnny Sears
Yes, but only when those good players underperform. If you're Larry Coker and they perform worse than you know they should (and the team gets less talented every year), yes, you are a bad coach.
FWIW his profile picture is of him in Michigan gear. If I'm looking at the same Ron English Facebook page as you.
Just noticed that the profile picture has comments from 2009. So the profile picture is probably irrelevant now.
You can't blame him. Who makes EMU gear anyway, CafePress?
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resign as head coach (granted 1 win in 2 years) to be DC of another. any other examples of this?