RichRod and Tressel

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June 1st, 2011 at 8:34 AM
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RichRod and Tressel

so now that we know what was really going on,  I feel for RichRod.

Lets put the defensive implosion aside for a moment, and reflect on a guy who went down with his morals intact.....and our cheatin' bastid of an opponent, who paid for and lied for his success.

Lets reflect on RR's handling of Tate (lookie, no wings!), his concern for Denard vs Illinois, when his job was clearly on the line......even suspending the punter for the OSU game for violating team rules.......did I hear that Tressel once punished an offender by "suspending" him for the first series of the game?

How 'bout the story about Tressel rigging raffles so the big-time recruits win the goodies at a kids summer football camp?  We learned plenty about RichRod in his time here.....and he certainly seemed a "stand up guy" to me.

So if you were a college athletic director looking to elevate your bs school with a higher profile in football, who would you hire if the choice was RichRod or Liar Liar Vest on Fire?

 

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June 1st, 2011 at 8:39 AM | I would hire Hoke.  Then Rich (Score:-1 Flamebait)
June 1st, 2011 at 8:41 AM | RR was never in a situation (Score:5 Normal)
RadioSimon1983
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RR was never in a situation where he would come out on top.  Too many people against him because he's not a Michigan Man.  It's a shame, really, because RR is an innovator and a good coach.  He'll succeed elsewhere.  But he never stood a chance at Michigan.  Not with the alumni and fan base here and how he had to change just about everything about the program.

June 1st, 2011 at 9:54 AM | no (Score:5 Normal)
michgoblue
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Sorry, but you are way off.  Ultimately, RR didn't succeed because his teams lost a shit ton of games, went 0-6 against MSU/OSU, missed a bowl for two years and got destroyed in the bowl. 

Did the alumni make it easy?  No.  But, can you explain to me (and I mean this seriously) how the alumni support caused our defense to suck so badly, how it caused RR to make the worst DC hires / fires ever, how it caused us to run the 3-3-5, how it caused RR to oversee the program during our only ever NCAA violations, or how it caused us to try to run the spread with Nick Sheridan at QB?  Sorry, RR's lack of success here had less to do with the whole "Michigan Man" thing than many on this board believe. 

Note: this is not an anti-RR post.  It is a response to your post and nothing more.  I think that RR is, in fact, an innovatorm and a good coach in the right situation

June 1st, 2011 at 11:39 AM | Another post where I agree (Score:3 Normal)
justingoblue
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Another post where I agree entirely with michgoblue. This is happening too often, when do we get back to talking about Denard's running yards?

There is nothing that anyone else could do on the field. Were there distractions off of it? Yes. I'd like to see one elite program without distractions.

Ultimately, if RR had gone 39-0, he would be as much of a Michigan Man as Yost. There are a lot of things at fault for the last three years, and the football alumni (the ones we're talking about) were very annoying but I don't think they lost even one extra game.

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-Carol Hutchins

June 1st, 2011 at 12:53 PM | well, i would say both are (Score:3 Normal)
pasadenablue
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well, i would say both are involved.  one thing led to another.

 

he didn't win, and that's the main reason why things didn't work out.  but he would've had a better chance to win in the first place, and survive after that, had he had proper support from the fanbase, from end to end. 

This is home...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgijdypJUEQ

June 1st, 2011 at 1:53 PM | Coming even from someone who (Score:2 Normal)
justingoblue
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Coming even from someone who would most likely be happier if the CC hadn't happened (or at least hadn't played out like it did, nobody can miss the excellent job Hoke is doing) I just don't see it. It's nice to have support, but what exactly does it do? It's not like they were playing to an empty stadium and no cheers, there were just a lot of distractions from Sunday to Friday.

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June 1st, 2011 at 2:52 PM | I'd be willing to argue that (Score:1 Normal)
MGoSuck
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I'd be willing to argue that a large portion of why Scott Schafer was fired was because an incensed alumni base. Obviously, RR should be faulted for hiring GERG, but I personally believe if Schafer were around, RR would still be around.

Schafer wasn't fired because he was a bad coach; Schafer was fired because we went 3-9 and heads needed to roll, and you couldn't fire the brand new coach. It was stupid.

June 1st, 2011 at 4:06 PM | You make it sound like things (Score:2 Normal)
jmblue
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You make it sound like things were going swimmingly on the staff and then RR just decided one day to fire his DC.  That's not exactly how it happened.

Shafer isn't here because he and the positional coaches, and by extension he and RR, were oil and water.  They could not get along, and RR decided to side with the positional coaches by midseason.  The ill-fated move to the 3-3-5 was a clear signal that RR no longer trusted Shafer's authority.  After that it was a matter of time until he was gone, either by his own call or RR's.    

June 1st, 2011 at 8:42 AM | No one ever said he wasnt a (Score:-1 Normal)
June 1st, 2011 at 8:45 AM | Is Michigan Football about a (Score:-1 Normal)
June 1st, 2011 at 8:51 AM | Here you go again. First off, (Score:4 Normal)
jg2112
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Here you go again. First off, cut out the swearing, youngster.

Second of all, you know very well that Michigan Football means more than the game of football, not only to the players in that program but the fans who support it.

Go flame away.

June 1st, 2011 at 8:57 AM | There is no "getting" or "not (Score:-1 Flamebait)
June 1st, 2011 at 9:03 AM | There is way more to Michigan (Score:4 Normal)
jg2112
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There is way more to Michigan football than just the game, just like at Notre Dame, Ohio State, Auburn, and every other school with a noted football tradition. Academics, prior football teams, prominent fans, a team's gameday traditions, the marching band, and on and on.

If you don't think this is true, you're supporting the wrong team. Go ahead and root for Florida Atlantic this year and tell me again how it's just a football game in Ann Arbor.

Oh, and your swearing makes you read like a 12-year-old. Keep it up.

June 1st, 2011 at 9:31 AM | I didn't get my degree from (Score:-1 Trolling)
June 1st, 2011 at 3:57 PM | I really think you have no (Score:4 Normal)
raiderblue
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I really think you have no friends.

June 1st, 2011 at 9:08 AM | Are you serious, or just trolling? (Score:3 Insightful)
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It is not about just football, and I think the OSU situation explains that at an extreme.  Its about developing youngsters into men, teaching life lessons, etc.  Then there is also the tradition and a degree of loyalty to past teams (*not* a brotherhood per se ;) ).

I am not taking a stance on the whole RR "not getting it" issue.  I am simply stating that Michigan football has always prided itself on being a successful program AND providing players with a basis for success in other aspects of life, and thus there is SOMETHING to "get" if you are going to coach at Michigan. Tressel, for example, clearly would not "get" it (although he seemed to perfectly get it at TSIO because, uh, its been their tradition to cheat).

Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory

June 1st, 2011 at 9:10 AM | Just trolling. (Score:3 Normal)
The Barwis Effect
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Just trolling.

"[T]here were a lot of people predicting glorious heights for Rich; mostly the same people who are predicting doom and gloom [for Hoke]. Excuse me if I doubt their prognostication skills." -- M-Wolverine

June 1st, 2011 at 9:38 AM | I think if you are a high (Score:-1 Flamebait)
June 1st, 2011 at 9:43 AM | How bout (Score:1)
Deep Under Cover
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Nick Saban?

Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory

June 1st, 2011 at 9:57 AM | It sucks the way he treats (Score:0 Normal)
June 1st, 2011 at 3:54 PM | dudeness (Score:2 Normal)
raiderblue
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I liked it better when you didn't comment at all for a few months.  You have nothing interesting to add and you hate life.

June 1st, 2011 at 8:48 AM | OSU fans did (Score:5 Funny)
Maizeforlife
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I distinctly remember many of OSU fans calling RR a cheater.  Oh, the irony.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia - but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

June 1st, 2011 at 12:45 PM | One fan tried to tell me that (Score:2 Normal)
glewe
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One fan tried to tell me that "RR was the REAL cheater" because "practicing too much is ACTUALLY cheating" and "selling your own stuff isn't, it's different." I was like

O____________________________O

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put on the gloves of gray.
And as Revelli played The Victors,
they laid Woody Hayes away.

June 1st, 2011 at 9:14 AM | Hey, there's nothing wrong (Score:5 Normal)
SC Wolverine
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Hey, there's nothing wrong with giving Rich Rod his due.  Despite everything that went wrong, the OP makes a valuable point: Rich Rod was an honest, class act, and therefore deserving of our appreciation and respect.  And the JT-tsio situation makes this clear in a new way.  I am so glad to have Brady Hoke and his staff.  But Rich Rod is still worthy of my admiration and respect.

 

"Football is happening at Michigan... we have that savoir faire."  Dhani Jones

June 1st, 2011 at 10:59 AM | But (Score:5 Normal)
michgoblue
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I don't think that most would disagree with what you say - RR was a classy guy who deserves respect.  But, the whole JT-OSU thing really has nothing to do with RR, so that is why there have been so many negative comments on the OP.

I hope that we get to a point where people stop relating everything in the college fb world to RR's tenure in an attempt to either defend RR (JT is such a scum - see how great RR is by comparison) or attack him (look, coach X came into a program and installed his new system in 1 year with no attrition - see how much RR sucks!!).

June 1st, 2011 at 1:38 PM | No, the OP makes the point (Score:1)
SC Wolverine
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No, the OP makes the point that the guy who beat Rich Rod for three years was cheating.  One way we measure our coach's success is his record against tsio.  The fact that Tressel cheated the whole time he was beating Rich Rod calls for us to raise our estimation of RR's career here just a little bit higher.  That's all.  But it's still something.  If it was my record, I would be glad that people were fair enough to point it out.

 

 

"Football is happening at Michigan... we have that savoir faire."  Dhani Jones

June 1st, 2011 at 12:34 PM | How can you say that I guy (Score:2 Normal)
mackbru
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How can you say that I guy who consistently passed the blame onto his players was classy? Gimme a break.

June 1st, 2011 at 10:27 AM | How in the world is the above flamebait??!! (Score:4 Normal)
Realus
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I am changing my default to read all comments.

I logged in just to moderate a couple of comments back to normal.  Yeesh.

People are trying to make mgoblog not worthy of reading by changing legit comments to flamebait.

June 1st, 2011 at 8:43 AM | Dude, don't you know you (Score:-1 Flamebait)
June 1st, 2011 at 9:27 AM | The Next Level (Score:4 Normal)
STW P. Brabbs
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You seem to have melded your own personal frustrations with Hoke and the football program with Section 1's sense of overweening paranoia.

Nicely done.

June 1st, 2011 at 9:31 AM | Hoke. Uber. Alles. (Score:-1 Trolling)
June 1st, 2011 at 9:42 AM | Now you're just showing off! (Score:5 Funny)
STW P. Brabbs
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Now you're just showing off!

June 1st, 2011 at 10:18 AM | I appreciate you (Score:4 Normal)
profitgoblue
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Dude, I appreciate you.  You're kind of like the angry friend that I had back in school, the guy that was pissed for an entire year after being dumped by his girlfriend. We kept telling him that she wasn't even that cool (in fact, she was annoying as sh-t) and that he'll find someone better.  It wasn't until he had some good rebound s-x that he was able to turn it around . . .

 

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

June 1st, 2011 at 10:27 AM | Maybe Hoke needs to take (Score:5 Funny)
JBE
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Maybe Hoke needs to take Dudeness for sushi, take him home, burn some candles and oil him up. Then, and only then, will Dudeness forget about RR's sweet love of nights past.

Sent From My Commodore 64

June 1st, 2011 at 10:43 AM | You, sir (Score:5 Normal)
STW P. Brabbs
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Just made me picture a shirtless, oiled hoke reaching across a candlelit table, chopsticks poised delicately, to feed His Dudeness some hamachi.

It was glorious, obvs.

June 1st, 2011 at 10:49 AM | Damn. (Score:1)
BlueDragon
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Damn.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

June 1st, 2011 at 11:30 AM | Thanks, but since it laid the (Score:-1 Flamebait)
June 1st, 2011 at 11:42 AM | Let's try it again ... (Score:5 Funny)
STW P. Brabbs
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But what if he was bare-chested, oiled, AND pointing at you?

You'd be a big gob of cookie dough in his hands, just waiting to be touched and molded into a (sinfully delicious) Michigan Man, that's what. 

June 1st, 2011 at 11:43 AM | Maybe a nightmare for (Score:1)
BlueDragon
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Maybe a nightmare for Dantonio.  I can think of a number of Mgofans that would not resist such an embrace.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

June 2nd, 2011 at 12:21 AM | All that anger (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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It's seems like he didn't like his results on the T.M.I. scale.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

June 1st, 2011 at 8:45 AM | C'mon, my friends (Score:5 Normal)
Six Zero
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Mr. Rodriguez is gone.  The ship has sailed.  Let the man be.

June 1st, 2011 at 8:47 AM | let it go man (Score:3 Normal)
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let it go man

June 1st, 2011 at 9:44 AM | the thing about RR (and yes I (Score:4 Normal)
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the thing about RR (and yes I felt he needed to go) is that when the NCAA started investgating a little too much supervision and practice time were the only violations they could find. There were never any suggestions of improper benefits or anything of the like.  RR was not the right choice for UM but he had class and proved it when he left without a gripe.

Oh how I hate Ohio State

June 1st, 2011 at 4:14 PM | I don't think the  NCAA ever (Score:1)
jmblue
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I don't think the  NCAA ever looked into any possible extra benefits here.  They don't necessarily conduct program-wide investigations.  They respond to specific allegations.  The allegation against us was that we were conducting practice too long, so they looked into that. If there had been other allegations, they'd have expanded the investigation.

Odds are, given how football players are idolized on campus, that our players get the occasional freebie here and there.  That's probably true just about everywhere.

June 1st, 2011 at 8:49 AM | Just thought about this.  Was (Score:2 Interesting)
bluenyc
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Just thought about this.  Was thinking what if everything that happened, happened last year instead of this year.  It's interesting to think about, but it happened this year. 

He will he some where next year.

June 1st, 2011 at 4:13 PM | If it happened last year, we (Score:1)
jmblue
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If it happened last year, we wouldn't be in as strong a position to capitalize on OSU's weakness because of the combination of our own NCAA investigation and our coach's shaky job security.  The biggest beneficiary may well have been MSU, or perhaps ND.

June 1st, 2011 at 8:51 AM | To answer... (Score:3 Normal)
MGoShoe
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...seriously, if I were an AD, I wouldn't hire either of them. Tressel will likely earn a show cause judgment when the NCAA COI completes its work. As far as RichRod goes, until the NCAA completes its investigation into potential practice overages at WVU, he's too risky of a hire. But this assumes I'm not a desparate AD. If I were, RichRod's pros may outweigh this risk.

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June 1st, 2011 at 9:23 AM | Shoe (or anyone else who (Score:1)
Waggles
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Shoe (or anyone else who knows), can you explain exactly what a show cause is, and what that would entail? Would it basically stop him from coaching D1 football?

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June 1st, 2011 at 9:33 AM | Try this for (Score:2 Normal)
Zone Left
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Try this for specifics.

Basically, if a school wants to hire a coach on a show cause order, they have to petition the NCAA for permission to hire the coach and to show why they shouldn't be penalized for hiring the coach.

It's not an actual blacklist, but it effectively makes it impossible for a school to hire him.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

June 1st, 2011 at 9:50 AM | I don't think a show (Score:1)
foreverbluemaize
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I don't think a show cause wll be the only thing keeping him from ever coaching again.

Oh how I hate Ohio State

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