Report: John Harbaugh not Interested in Michigan Job
Report: John Harbaugh not interested in University of Michigan job http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Aml
September 29th, 2014 at 9:26 AM ^
John and Hoke seem to have a pretty close relationship, not to mention his relationship with Mattison.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:27 AM ^
Good. Now we can cross the guy who hasn't coached college football since 1997 (and never been above a college position coach) off the list.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:28 AM ^
Although there are coaches with little college experience who have succeeded, it's simply not an avenue I'd prefer to explore.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:45 AM ^
Thank god that a decent, Super Bowl-winning football coach turned us down before we offered the job. He isn't good enough to coach at Michigan.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:08 AM ^
That's not what he's saying. Pointing out that coaching at the NFL level versus to the college level are very different animals is not unreasonable. There's lots of examples of successful college coaches not making the grade in the pros and vice versa.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^
I can't think of a single successful NFL HC who went on to fail in the college ranks.
September 29th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^
Off the top of my head: Bill Walsh (kind of).
September 29th, 2014 at 10:24 AM ^
It has nothing to do with being a 'good' coach. It has to do with being a qualified coach. The NFL and college are vastly different monsters. It takes a completely different type of coach to find and develop teenagers while having like 20 hours a week contact, than it is to manage and fine tune the best players in the world. And college football has changed so much in the last 15 years. Could John be a great college coach? Sure. But it doesn't change the fact that he's not qualified because he hasn't been around college ball for a decade and a half. He shouldn't be a candidate.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^
And I see your point.
The way that many arguments have been framed against John Harbaugh here is that there are many more responsibilities for a coach in college than there are in the NFL. I would mostly agree with that. What it comes down to (in my view at least) is what the risk/reward is of giving someone like him a shot versus keeping Brady Hoke around - someone who has to this point not succeeded on the field (or because of his AD, not been put in a position to succeed).
Is a Super-Bowl winning coach less qualified than a sub-.500 MAC and Mountain West coach? Is the Mountain West a different monster than the Big Ten?
Michigan has a lot of resources to hire almost whoever they want to coach the team and I'd rather take the chance, if he was open to listening to us.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:46 AM ^
Thank you. Just because guys can win in the NFL doesn't mean they can win in college. They are different sports. The only conceivable advantage to hiring John is that he could theoretically keep the defensive staff for the most part intact (given the Mattison relationship).
September 29th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^
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September 29th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^
Yeah, because Jim Mora Jr. and Pete Carroll sucked at the college game(I admit Wannstedt serves as a counter-point).
September 29th, 2014 at 12:39 PM ^
Jim Mora Jr and Pete Caroll had both been mediocre NFL coaches who had been both fired twice before they went to college and had success. It's not the same as a SB winning coach in the prime of his career saying "aw fuck it" and going to college. That just doesn't happen.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:29 AM ^
We will never get an elite coach at this school as long as Dave Brandon is employed as AD. Who wants to deal with Dave in the locker room or sitting in on film sessions? Brandon must go. He will never hire anyone that dares to challenge him.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:04 AM ^
It's funny to read those comments about DB and then notice your avatar pic. That's some good stuff right there.
September 29th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^
I've always been a fan of goblue20111 and the ego-tripping avatar.
September 29th, 2014 at 11:00 AM ^
to sit in on film sessions if it bothered him (and it probably would). They'll be in charge of their locker rooms too.
September 29th, 2014 at 11:11 AM ^
actual leadership. They CAN NOT have Brandon hire the next coach, for a variety of reasons. He's already screwed up the last search, not just by hiring Hoke, but by who he did not pursue according to many reports. And as you just stated, no elite or even good coach is going to come here and put up with DB's micro-management and meddling.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:32 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^
Right - for a variety of reasons, top of which might be that he and Hoke are good friends. What kind of friend would claim intrest in his friend's current job.
No coach (with any profile at least) will acknowledge interest in this job until it's vacant.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:32 AM ^
It's the 29th of September. Somewhere out there is the man who will be Michigan's next football coach. But whether that man knows/thinks he will be or not, if you asked even him right now, the answer would probably be similar.
I do agree, though, that it will likely not be a Harbaugh.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:36 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^
Qualifications
-He's a man
-He's 40
-Can spell Michigan Man.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:49 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 10:21 AM ^
As it stands right now, OK St. is a better program in a better conference than Michigan in the B1G. Also, Gundy is an OK St. grad, so I'm guessing pulling him away would be rather difficult.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^
I don't know if Gundy's the right guy or not, but it's impossible for us to know if pulling him away would be difficult.
Only those people close to him would know what his true motivations are. Is OK St. his dream job? Does he want to establish a legacy there? Does he want to win a national championship?
If winning a championship is his true goal, he may want to consider the Michigan job. He's kind of in the same spot Saban was in at MSU. No matter how much success he's had or will have at OK St., he still has to deal with Oklahoma.
He could come to Michigan and have a bigger, higher profile program in a conference that would have a seemingly easier path to the "Final Four".
September 29th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^
This X100.
At the very least, get him on the phone if the guys on the list above him don't work out. Offer him a huge raise. If he doesn't take it, then you move on to the next guy.
Okie State to Michigan would be a huge upgrade in some important ways. Ditto for any other historically shit program that is experiencing unprecedented success right now. (e.g. Stanford)
September 29th, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
I mean, I did say "I'm guessing." I was, however, basing it on the fact that he played on OK St. for his college career.
You may be right in the end, but that's like, my opinion, man.
September 29th, 2014 at 1:37 PM ^
Sorry, man. That may have just been some built-up, misdirected frustration over all the comments lately like - "Why would anyone come to Michigan" or "Why would anyone leave the SEC (or Big 12) to come to the B1G".
There are a lot of reasons why people do things. Sorry if I was a little rough.
September 29th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^
Im on board with Gundy, it would be foolish not to try.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^
Who would be interested in coaching here? We run our coaches out after three years whether they show improvement or not, and we expect less than 3 losses every season.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:39 AM ^
Charlie would take the job in a heartbeat. He needs a job pronto!
September 29th, 2014 at 10:05 AM ^
You might laugh at that, but the ND offense was the least of those teams worries. Pair up with Mattison to run the D and you might be on to something.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^
but has proven that's all he's qualified to do.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:51 AM ^
Any true football fan knows there will always be down seasons. I don't know anyone who considers losing three or more games grounds for summary firing. I know plenty who think that not having to immediately write off any road game against a rival or team with a pulse as an automatic loss isn't really too much to ask. Nor is cracking 310 yards of offense in home games against teams with an actual US state in their name.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:51 AM ^
Yeah, what coach would ever want to go to a college with a massive athletic budget, amazing facilities and a history of success. I mean look at Alabama, Texas and every other major football program in the country, none of them have quality football coaches because the fans expectations are too high.
Get over it, even if you think Rich Rod got ran out of town early Michigan is not the first football program to do it, nor are they the only program in the country dissapointed with a 3 loss season. As long as Michigan is willing to pay the kind of money coaches like Saban and Stoops make they will get a quality coach. If they don't pay up, we will get another mediocre coach, but it has nothing to do with fan expectations.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:51 AM ^
With great amounts of money comes a really high level of expectations.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:55 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^
For how long, and obnoxiously spelled your name is.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:42 AM ^
Not a Michigan Man (TM), would not consider.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:43 AM ^
What coach that is currently in the middle of a season has ever come out and said that he is interested in ANOTHER coaching position? Who? When? You guys are killing me, how would that be the prudent thing to do even if he was interested?
September 29th, 2014 at 9:45 AM ^
There's not a quote from Harbaugh there either. Nick Saban went on record saying "I'm not going to be the coach at Alabama."
I'm not saying Harbaugh will be the next coach because of what Saban said, but completely ruling him out is silly at this point.
September 29th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^
No NFL coach is going to express interest in another job while he has a current job, unless things are REALLY odd. I mean, both Harbaugh's are trying to win a Super Bowl -- that's going to take 100% of their time, not to mention the Ray Rice issue (John) and Ray MacDonald & Aldon Smith etc issues (Jim). They got enough on their plate without even more distractions.
I still think the odds are 1% or less for Jim and maybe 10% for John that'd they'd even be seriously interested in the job, so this "news" isn't a big deal for me. But I'm not ruling anyone out at this point.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:46 AM ^
The coach of a currently succesful NFL team denied interest in another job. I doubt either Harbaugh coaches at Michigan next year, but even if John was interested in the job there is no way he would admit as much 4 games into his NFL season with the job not even currently vacant. This is going to be a long few months of random speculation.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:29 AM ^
Except he didn't deny interest. He isn't quoted and hasn't responded at all to Michigan speculation.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:49 AM ^
I think just about anyone who currently has a job is going to say the same thing when asked, especially anyone who knows/is friends with the guy who currently holds the job.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:51 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 9:51 AM ^
Yeah, well look at the sourse. PROfootballtalk? Of course he has to toe the party line when talking to these NFL lackeys. The NFL is a cheap, overdone, and commercialized. John isn't going to be able to openly admit his interest in the Michigan job, he's going to have to do it behind closed doors. And OF COURSE he wouldn't break the biggest football story of the year to a cheap rag like ProFootballTalk. Angelfire wants their webstructure back.