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|6 days 10 hours ago||Question||
Who signs his release from the university? I thought it was the coach who signs off on kids transferring and with no coach in place is it just someone in the AD's department?
|6 days 11 hours ago||Strange||
This seems odd to me, he was the kid leading the class recruiting with the t-shirts and everything just a year or so ago and now a transfer, strange. I wonder what the story behind this is. But whatever the reason, good luck to the kid.
|1 week 8 hours ago||John||
I think the only real talk about John Harbaugh centered around some anger or resentment over the way the Ravens handled the Ray Rice situation. If there was a lot of organizational fallout and John wanted to jump ship there was a small chance he could end up at Michigan. But with all the Rice stuff behind them the John talk has fallen away as well.
Just one mans opinion though.
|1 week 8 hours ago||Shanahan||
I would take Elway and that offensive line they had during their heydey over Davis. That line and scheme turned just about anyone into a productive running back, like Olandis Gary.
|1 week 5 days ago||Mullen||
I don't really put those as major advantages he has over Herman. At Florida Meyer had defenses led by Greg Mattison and Charlie Strong, he hasn't had those at OSU so far. Those are things outside of the OC's control.
|1 week 5 days ago||Herman||
I really like Herman and think he will be a very good head coach one day, but question about Herman being number 3 after Harbaugh and Stoops. Isn't Dan Mullen just Herman with some actual years of head coaching experience?
I believe requiring prior coaching experience limits your candidate list for no reason and I know there are people around these parts who say Mullen isn't coming but don't you have to make him say no before you move on to Herman?
|1 week 5 days ago||Cut and dried||
Why wouldn't it be that simple? I assume his ultimate goal is to a head coach, and unlike a guy like Narduzzi I would think he bears no significant ill-will towards Michigan beyond what he has to as an OSU coach. He has only been there 3 years after spending time in Texas with a few years at Iowa State, if a major program like Michigan offered him the job why wouldn't he take it?
|2 weeks 11 hours ago||Aw 20 dollars||
But I wanted a peanut
(yes I know your line follows this one, but to good an opportunity to pass up)
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Michigan vs. Mississippi State||
You are entitled to your own opinion, and I, like most others on here are biased, but Michigan is a better job than Mississippi State. Does that mean Mullen would take the job if offered, no, but Michigan is a better job.
Is the SEC better, yes, but I think that is part of what makes Michigan a more appealing job. As far as programs go, where would Mississippi State rank in the SEC West alone? Behind Alabama and Auburn for sure, behind LSU (because of more recent success and recruiting) and A&M (because of recruiting advantages), probably behind Ole Miss in their own state. So perhaps ahead of just Arkansas. At Michigan he is at the second best program in the Big Ten, with more built in advantages than Mississippi State will ever have.
Again, he may just want to stay and not deal with the hassle of rebuilding Michigan and potential spread issues, but Michigan is a better job.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Number 5||
How many Cowherd threads can we get before the mod's start deleting them all?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Downvotes||
Don't downvotes on created threads not affect the MGoPoints? We need him to post a comment in his own thread to downvote him back below 100.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Funchess||
So much excitment over his potential season after the App State game, followed by so much dissapointment.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Yay, Cowherd thread number 4||
His speculation is about Greg Popovich, book it.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Dakich||
I actually enjoy Dakich on the call, especially with Tirico. I think he is knowledgeable and for the most part fair. If anything I would think he has been a bit too favorable to Michigan recently seeing as how his son is on the team and he seems to know a few of the other kids on Michigans team. Plus he is not afraid to make fun of himself and how can you not enjoy him and Tirico knowingly talking about a drinking game involving all the cliche's about the Michigan basketball team.
There were a few different bad calls during last nights game but I don't think the Doyle charge/block calls were that bad. They probably could have gone either way and they went against Michigan. Simply becasue you don't agree with Dakich's opinion on those calls doesn't mean he is a bad color guy.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Herman||
Herman has produced offensive numbers at places before he took over for Meyer. He had some very nice offenses at Rice and while his offenses at ISU didn't light the world on fire they were enough to get him snatched up by Meyer to be his OC.
In addition, Meyers previous OC's have gone on to great success (Mullen) and a solid start to a head coaching career (Steve Addazio). So perhaps Meyer knows a thing or two about offenses and the guys who coach under him tend to learn some things as well. Also his DC's include names like Kyle Whittingham, Charlie Strong, Teryl Austin and Greg Mattison. So I believe picking a name off the Meyer coaching tree is a much better option than a different coordinator like Narduzzi.
Herman could be the next great college football coach or a huge flop, but you can't automatically dismiss him simply because he works under an offensive head coach.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Pelini/Ole Miss||
I believe that had something to do with a transfer who was all set to transfer/enroll at Nebraska and than changed his mind and went to Ole Miss almost out of nowhere. Pelini expressed some skepticism that everything involved with his decision was above board.
|3 weeks 7 hours ago||Hoke||
Except at this point, Hoke is plan Z. Plan F is a lot better than that. There is 0 reason to keep Hoke on as head coach if Michigan is actually serious about winning football games.
|3 weeks 7 hours ago||Potential Candidates||
But the candidates are already facing these questions. Miles addresses the rumors every time there is even a chance the Michigan job opens up, same with Harbaugh. Stoops has had to directly state he is not taking another job due to Michigan and Florida rumors.
Why would Michigan firing Hoke now instead of two weeks from now somehow increase the questions? Why should Michigan be concerned about the endless questions if they fire Hoke now when no other school seems to have that concern?
I don't care if coaches at other schools have to answer questions about the Michigan job. Coaches (like Saban) have denied interest in a job and than accepted that same job a few weeks later. I just don't see how keeping Hoke on to avoid other coaches having to answer tough questions outweighs the negatives.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Lunatic Fringe||
I guess I don't know who you keep directing all this reality show comparisons at. There will always be a lunatic fringe, but by and large I think most of the people on this blog are reasonable and just don't want the firing to drag out for weeks. Again, simply because people don't agree with your timeframe doesn't mean they are reality TV obsessed and demand a pound of flesh.
In addition people have enjoyed a spectacle for centuries. You would have to be pretty thick to think that reality TV somehow created peoples desire for a spectacle.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||3 Reasons||
1) The recruiting class has already been picked apart. The guys who have stayed (Malzone, Newsome) have committed to Michigan. They will stay committed until the new coach has been found. I don't think firing Hoke now would do anymore damage to the already decimiated class.
2) There is already a ton of public scrutiny on the coaching search. Harbaugh, Miles and others have already been asked about leaving to coach somewhere else and in some cases they have been asked about the Michigan job specifically. Firing Hoke will not increase the scrutiny by much.
3) I think this ties into number 2 as well. Besides, Michigan isn't the only school looking for a coach. Mullen is going to be asked about taking another job whether the Michigan job is open now or not. I also don't believe Michigan can secretly hire someone away to avoid a bidding war. Michigan can't secretly hire someone, fire Hoke and than introduce the new coach at a cheaper salary because no one knew it was happening.
I appreciate your reasoned and measured responses to all this, I just don't see any need to keep Hoke around past this week. But, we can agree to disagree, as long as we all agree we want Harbaugh.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Michigan Football||
How are fans treating this like a reality show? Because they want a man who is bad at his job fired? Is everything people want done before it fits your timetable due to reality TV ruining society?
Stop equating fans wanting Brady Hoke fired to reality TV, that comparison makes no sense. Plenty of people have given their reasons for wanting Hoke fired, you may not agree with those reasons but it doesn't mean these people want some kind of spectacle.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Harbaugh||
I am simply afraid of repeated past mistakes. If Harbaugh comes in this entire disucssion is pointless and my fears were misguided. But I have seen this show before, I am afraid we will put too many eggs in the Harbaugh basket. We wait to fire Hoke until closer to the end of the NFL season, Harbaugh decides to take another NFL job and Michigan is left scrambling and ends up with Hoke 2.0.
Hackett is different from Brandon and different from Martin, he may know exactly what he is doing. He could already be working behind the scenes and know who he is going to get if Harbaugh turns him down. But the longer Hoke remains head coach, the longer I fear it will be him or someone like him at the helm next season.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Florida||
My main point outlined in an above post is the dragging of feet seems to be coming a constant issue with Michigan that has hurt them in the past. Hopefully things are different now, but the longer this goes on, the bigger my fear that past mistakes will be duplicated and Michigan ends up with a bad football coach because they spend to long "evaluating" whether Hoke should truly be fired.
My main point of comparison with Florida is people inside and outside the Michigan program (not accusing you) seem to think it is impossible to take quick and effective action in making a change. These things can be done quickly and the longer this goes, the worse off I think Michigan is.
This could all be moot if Harbaugh rides in to save the day, but that is why I am worried about Michigan delaying this process.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Hoke||
This is a systemic problem with the Michigan athletic department, thats why I want him fired now. They dragged their feet during the Rich Rod hiring and that turned out poorly. They dragged out the Rich Rod firing and we ended up with Brady Hoke, that also didn't turn out to well.
Now the new AD selection process could drag out longer than just about any other major athletic program in the country. It could turn out good (if Hackett's connections help us get Harbaugh) it could end up poorly (we don't get a great coach because they don't want to work for a interim AD). My fear now is they will drag out firing Brady Hoke and get stuck with a sub-optimal coach again (like Schiano).
Everything Michigan does seems to be on a slower time table than other, succesful athletic departments and that has not worked out well for them recently. This isn't a difficult decision, there is no evaluation needed, Hoke needs to be fired. You claim there is no benefit to firing him today, I push back and say there is no benefit to firing him two weeks from now and it could potential put us behind other programs in going after desirable candidates.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Pelini||
It is ridiculous to me that a blue blood program like Florida can fire a coach with 2 games left to go and Nebraska can fire a coach with more success than Hoke one day after the season ended and Michigan insists on dragging their feet and talking about evaluations and processes. Pelini had two 10 win regular seasons, matching Hokes best year and in 7 years at Nebraska he has never had as bad a year as Hokes last two.
I am willing to give it a few days before getting too upset at Michigan for not firing Hoke yet, but if this takes a week plus it is just another bad mark for this athletic department.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I disagree||
I just can't believe that Threet was such a terrible QB that it was impossible to win more than 3 games with his as your QB. The records are a bit hazy for the Washington State game (Threet played far more than Osweiller), but I believe in 2010 Threet won 4 games as the starter at Arizona State before getting benched.
So by your logic, Dennis Erickson is a better coach than any of the other ones you named because he managed to go better than 3 and 9 with Threet at QB. We both know that is ridiculous and hyperbole, but my point stands, good coaches minimize the weaknesses of their terrible players, including QB's.
I was OK with Rich Rod's 3 win first year, I did not immediately want to run him out of town for it. The only point I am trying to make is improving on that bad of a season is not reason to praise the man for his head coaching ability.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||+1 insightful||
Well thanks for the witty criticism and ignoring the questions in my post. You know, you could actually respond with something that contributes to the conversation instead of just a four word insult. I was trying to understand where you are coming from with your belief that this year wont be a step back but next year will.
However it is clear your basketball knowledge is so far beyond mine that when I point out a flaw in your facts or ask questions you respond with such an intelligent rebuttle. Thanks, and have a wondeful night.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Burke||
Well the 247 page you linked has him at 104, so that is 2 sites. Might want to check your facts before citing them.
My two questions were, you said Michigan has not recruited well enough based on what?, The 2012 recruiting class was loaded, but the last two class are the best Beilein has ever pulled in outside of 2012. 2015 is looking bad, but how does that one year negate the entire 2013 and 2014 recuiting classes? How can losing all the talent from last year's team not mean a step back, but next years team with 3 top 50 players (Walton, Irvin and Chatman) be doomed simply by the loss of Levert?
Secondly you never answered my question on expectations. Last years team won the Big Ten by 3 games, and you don't expect a step back. Does that mean you expect this years team to win the Big Ten by at least 3 games and make it to the Elite 8 again? Because good for you if you did, but you have to admit you are extremely rare in that regard.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Rich Rod||
Would Rich Rod have done as well in 2011 as Hoke, I don't know, Hoke got ridiculously lucky that year, I don't know if that is something Rich Rod would have duplicated. But I am 100% confident in saying Michigan would be a better football team right now if Rich Rod were the coach instead of Hoke. Because it is clear he is a better head football coach than Brady Hoke.
My point is Rich Rod does not deserve credit for improvement. It is impossible to not improve on 3 wins. As terrible a football coach as Brady Hoke is he has still managed to win at least 5 games. I will say it over and over again, criticize Hoke for his diminishing returns, credit Rich Rod for succeeding everywhere but Michigan, but his improvement from a 3 win start is not a positive.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||3 Wins||
He won 3 games, 3, and he lost to Toledo. My god, the number of people on this blog who excuse that fact is simply astounding. People credit Rich Rod with winning at Arizona without a ton of talent, but yet he couldn't win at Michigan without a ton of talent.
2008 team: 4 stars from the 2005 recruiting class: Terrance Taylor and Brandon Harrison
4 stars from the 2006 recruiting class, Carlos and Steve Brown, Jason Kates, Greg Matthews, Brandon Minor and Jonas Mouton, 5 stars Brandon Graham and Steve Schilling.
2007: Tony Clemons, Austin Panter, Ryan Van Bergen, Michael Williams and 5 star Donavan Warren
2008 recruiting class 4 stars: Barnum, Cissoko, Demens, Fitzgerald, Taylor Hill, Koger, Martin, McGuffie, Mealer, Brandon Moore, Dan O'Neill, Terrance Robinson, Roundtree, Shaw, Smith, Stonum and Marcus Witherspoon.
Sure doesn't seem like a bare cupboard to me. But I am sure you will make more excuses about how all of those players were so terribly mis-judged talent wise, and poor Rich Rod just couldn't make it work without top shelf talent. But when he is at West Virginia or Arizona it is a huge feather in his cap to win with lesser talent than Michigan, you can't have it both ways.
The man is a quality football coach, and clearly superior to Brady Hoke, but he doesn't need you or anyone else to make excuses for his failures at Michigan. He was terrible his first year, pretty bad his second year and meh his third year. Crediting him for a good coaching job at West Virginia and Arizona is justified, but crediting him for improving on his own terrible season is not cause for praise.