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Rank order of prospective victory goodness 2014 against MSU, ND, OSU.
I want to beat ND just so they can't punch us and run.
The ND win usually ends up meaning nothing if we lose to MSU and OSU.
Yeah, Tate, Denard, and Devin all won the September Heisman by beating highly ranked Notre Dame teams.
Then as the season progressed, it turns out that all we really did was beat an overrated program that has not been relevant for 25 years.
Not really debatable anymore. While we get great hype for a week after beating ND early it doesn't really matter much.
Yep. How many years have we beaten ND, gotten our hopes up, only to get smashed by any rigid defense in the Big 10 - feels like an annual thing since 2008.
We are 6-2 against ND in the last 8. If we lose this year I am not going to bang my head into a wall after the immediate aftermath.
Meanwhile if Sparty wins they will be 7-1 versus us in the last 8 which will have to be the worst streak in our history. Hell we havent scored a TD in 2 years versus MSU. And our streak for OSU already has to be our worst disaster - and if not for Fickell it would be even more egregious.
Even if we lose to ND, at ND at night, they will always be our bitch. We made them look like fools over the last decade . . . 2003 beatdown I, 2007 beatdown II, 2006 D-Fest, 2009 Tatered, The Denarding in 2010, 2011 UTL I and 2013 UTL II.
They could not have looked more hapless in those games.
Chanting "Jim-my Clau-sen" from the student section during 2007 beatdown II remains one of my fondest Michigan Stadum memories.
That's 5-2 in favor of MSU in the last 7. Wouldn't make losing to MSU hurt less because before 2008 MSU was Little Brother, but don't give them credit for winning in Mike Hart's senior year.
I don't even know why this is a question. If we lose to Notre Dame, I'm slightly bummed. If we lose to MSU, I'm pissed. If we lose to MSU and OSU in the same year, I'm crawling on the ceiling spewing exorcism related things.
So we beat ND. Big fucking deal. It impacts us zero percent in the Big Ten and doesn't matter a lick in the MNC if we lose to MSU and OSU. Those are the two we have to beat. And if we go 2-1 with the loss being to ND, you know what? Fuck it, I'm going to be fucking happy.
1) Michigan State, 2) Ohio State, 3) Notre Dame. I can't take another loss to MSU. I just...can't.
but sadly, I don't see us winning in East Lansing. We can thank the B1G for whatever stupidity resulted in us going there in back-to-back years.
This is going to be me if we lose to them again
I was in section 105 last fall in East Lansing freezing my ass off watching the most embaressing game that I've seen live. I will not be going back this year.
and I will not go back again. I was legitimately concerned for my safety. Had a bottle or two lobbed our way
That game against ND is worth nothing more than a "who won the last game?" type thing. Michigan has already won the series.
They aren't rivals to me. Rivals don't bitch out and run away to play Wake Forest and Duke. Michigan has won the series record-wise and has owned them winning 6 of the last 8. Michigan has scored 38 points or more in four of those games, winning by double digits three times.
That game against them is the least of my concerns. I don't care. If they win, good. If not, oh well, this team isn't going to win the national title anyways so it's not a big deal.
The game I'm most concerned with in the non-conf is the first game.
As much as I REALLY want to beat those chickenshit Irish before the series ends, and as much as I'm REALLY tired of losing to MSU, neither of them compares to my hatred for OSU or desire to get The Game back on track. Therefore:
Staee, osu..... To hell with ND
I am so fucking tired of losing to OSU. I've been saying that since about 2007 but seriously. This is getting ridiculous.
It's always beat ohio.
I've seen Michigan beat ohio three times in my life. I was 5 and 8 for 2000 and 2003. I remember nothing from 2000 and three things from 2003.
Michigan beating them in 2011 was the greatest I have EVER felt in my life. I don't care if I get any crap for it, it's the absolute truth. That day was just.......liberating.
I'm the same age as you so I completely get it because I too barely remember 03', and 2006 was the biggest Michigan/Ohio State game that I can fully remember, so I would really like to get my fair share of Michigan wins over Ohio. But I am surrounded by MSU fans, not OSU fans so I can take losing to Ohio and not really hear about it, but MSU fans are killing me on a yearly basis now.
This may be the greatest Lloyd Carr quote ever.
"I think it's very, very important that Bobby Williams be given an opportunity to fulfill his contract at Michigan State,'' Carr said.
That quote was after the 2002 game.
All I remember from that game was state scoring first and their fans going crazy on TV....and then.....this happened....
God, I'd love to hear more fan stories from that.
That was 2006 if I am not mistaken? I barely remember anything about that game because Tigers/Yanks ALDS Game 4 was on around the same time and I just assumed that Michigan would take care of business against State, ahhh those were the days. Honestly though I believe our brightest days are not too far ahead of us.
You're thinking of 2006. That was our final farewell to John L. Smith. 31-13.
Weird 4:30pm kickoff but Michigan just streamrolled them. That was the year beating Minnesota was higher on the totem pole due to Mission Jug Rescue.
My earliest memory of Michigan Football was the 2000 Orange Bowl. Considering I was 4, it's incredible. The celebration in my house when their kicker blew that PAT in OT is what I remember.
This conversation saddens me because it is not unique - seeing people 18-19 year old who find beating OSU to be a shock and "unique" is a sad statement. But reality.
On the positive side, this brand is so f*cking strong that we are still recruiting as if the series has been 6-6 in the past 12 years. But let's stop pushing our damn luck. It's getting to the point that recruits (younger than you 2 peeps) have to have their dads tell them about the time UM was matching (or besting) OSU on the field on an annual basis.
And we're starting to get to that point with MSU too, at least with 13-14 year olds.
I was a freshman at OSU in 2003. That win was incredible because the friends I made that year were completely unbearable after the national title.
Needless to say, over the next few years I got what was coming to me considering the way I acted after that game. I put my stereo in the hallway of my dorm and played The Victors maxed out.
That or ''Why would you ask a dumb question like that?''.
and seeing a MSU ball carrier get cross Hi-Lo'ed by the Michigan Defense, man, the top half of his body was shifted over a foot from his lower half.
One thing I'd like to see is us taking it to them physically this year... I think we got the bodies to do it...
I don't know if this stat will help or not...I'm cherry-picking the years, but from 1976-2000, Michigan was 17-7-1 vs OSU. (My first Michigan-Ohio State recollection was watching the 1970 20-9 loss on TV as I was about to turn 6.)
I don't mean to go all statz here but just something interesting....
The longest winless streak in the opponent's city is 14 years.
ohio was winless in Ann Arbor for 14 years, until they won in 2001. After that season, well, I think we know what they did with their run through the 2000s.
Michigan's current winless streak in Columbus is.......14 years.
I wish I watched Michigan far enough back to see the time when beating Ohio was the expected occurance. Being that I became a fan in '06, it's just ingrained in me that we are inferior to OSU and lose to them every year (when Luke Fickell isn't "coaching")
It was fucking glorious. I remember one year in the '90s when I didn't even tune in to watch until the second half because I had a few chores to do. I already knew what the result would be so why drag it out?
I'm just going to throw out that the expectations have not changed. We know the results have but there is no way that inside the Fort, things have changed in that manner. Beat Ohio, it's still a four letter word.
The set "expectation" inside Schembechler is still surely "We want to beat Ohio every year!!" but realistic expectations suggest Ohio should be beating us pretty much every year. They've been the better team and program for close to a decade now (arguably longer)
Point taken, however...I expect every January 1st that I am going to have 365 lunches during the coming year. Am I being realistic in thinking that? If I am too busy one day and don't eat lunch, that may be my reality or result on that day, but that does not change the fact that I didn't expect to eat lunch that day or every other day of the year. I don't care how bad this team or program looks to outsiders, Coach Home was hired with the expectation of beating Ohio State, MSU, winning the BIG and going to the Rose Bowl and mending the program. Has the "Game" countdown clock been removed?
Same, I'm a little older than you think and the best Michigan football memory I have was the one win I ever saw or heard about (I didn't start really watching Michigan football until after the 2006 season, although I did watch the Rose Bowls). So maybe I'll switch, beating OSU will help restore balance to the force.
I hate them all, but I think it might be MSU-OSU-ND, but MSU and OSU are almost the same. I want to win the last one against ND just to leave on a good note, but the other two are more important.
3. ND purple faces.
We need to win the Big Ten and we have got to stop all this Sparty BS
1c. Notre Dame
Whatever win gets us to Indy
1. So tired of MSU being better than us. Can't stand anything about that school
2. Because its OSU
3. So ND can't run away with the last win like the chickens they are though this isn't a big one if we lose as most games in the last 10 years have resulted in crushing humiliation for ND in one way or another
Any other year, ND would be three, but I really want to curb stomp them like 2006 with this being the last season between us.
between MSU and OSU at this point. Just so sick and tired of losing to both of them right now that there is no f'n way I am ready, willing, or able to deal with having to again "wait until next year" in those two rivalries.
As for those chicken-s***s? Let them eat figs, but as much distaste I have for ND, if Michigan has to lose to one of those three teams, lets get it out of our system there. (And its not easy to say that, being that I'm only a bit over a half-hour away from ND and would have to listen to those hens cackling about a win for a long, long time.)
OSU is always the #1team to beat. Every year. Our recruiting in Ohio is much more critical than the usually not-too-great talent in-state. And beating them always helps with that.
To start beating MSU, by far the biggest game of our season, normally I'd say osu but this program better start treating that MSU game just like Ohio state. To hell with Notre dame...
Any other answer is wrong.
I have to go with OSU/MSU tied for first followed by ND. Let's be honest, ND falls of our radar after this year's game and while we recruit the same kids and it would be great to end the series with a win, losing to OSU or MSU again is a much larger issue. Negative recruiting, in-state recruiting, perception (reality), and the overall emotional impact on the fanbase.
The Game still means more to me, but as others have said, the ND game means very little. We've dominated as of late, locked up the series, and it will have zero impact on our quest for a Big Ten title.
I negged you because you put a "t" in front of OSU.
I firmly believe a trip to Indy will ride on the line in Columbus on Nov 29th.
No way in hell we beat OSU on the road. When's the last time we even did that?
Yeah, because it's not like Michigan nearly did that in 2012?
They're getting closer......4 points 2012.....1 point in 2013......
Nearly did that? Who the hell cares how many you win or lose by? A loss is a loss.
but just saying our record in the last decade against OSU doesn't tell the whole story. We were awfully close to winning the last 3. I actually had forgotten a little about 2013's game, I think I was successfully blocking out the pain of almost winning that one
It's OSU than some distance to MSU and ND, and I can't distinguish between those two. I get that people are sick of losing to State, as am I, but ultimately winning that game still just feels like beating someone you should beat. Beating OSU feels like winning a big rivalry game and there is no comparison to that excitement.
I think in any OTHER year, "to hell with ND" is right on.
But the bullshit way they backed out by passing an envelope to DB JUST BEFORE kickoff of the game in SB where they had phantom whistles, jacked up PA system during our snap count, etc (the same treatment they gave Stanford 2 weeks later, but their coach publicly called them out on it) has really been a bug up my ass since 2012. If they win the LAST game (?), it's too much like the Empire defeating the Rebels.
Joker killing Batman.
The Grinch Stealing Xmas.
Bernie Madoff keeping the money.
Biff Tannen killing Marty McFly in the casino.
And NO retribution . Zero. Nada. Not ever (but never say NEVER)...
Yea, we've got the series record, but they're fricking battling us for all time win percentage, so that's kind of a wash.
Even MSU has gotten relatively more important. We need to own the STATE before we can set sights on Buckeye as #1. It's gotten to the point where much of Buckeye nation (yeah, yeah... F#%^ 'em!) considers MSU more of a rival than us. And I HATE the idea of OSU not sincerely advocating about the supremacy of the intensity of the rivalry as some kind of charity to Michigan when the RECORD on the FIELD of play should make it clear WHO OSU's biggest threat is.
But until we control MSU (again), the Big Game kinda feels like the Big Sham (a TEMPORARY state)!
So, for 2014 ONLY,
1) OSU (if we have a better 2014 than MSU)
Does Michigan have a 13th regular season game scheduled in 2015 we're unaware of?
3) Piss off. We beat you in 2014. Go cry to mama. Forever.
Yes we do. It will be held in Indianapolis in December.
No one in the Buckeye fan base believed Sparty is a bigger rival ... Not sure what types of "fans" you talk too but they sound like just Michigan haters, not true Ohio fans. Probably just a Sparty slappy at heart who wants to piss you off. And congrats because, based on your tirade, it worked. Both us and OSU, regardless of what our teams look like on paper, hate each other most and it will always be that way.
Ohio is always first and foremost. We could beat ND ten times and to me it's just another win against an okay team. We could beat state for an entire decade and all I would think is business as usual, despite this not being the case as of late.
But that game against ohio each and every year should take precedent over all others. We could lose two other games this season and if we beat ohio I will feel that this team really accomplished something.
That being said we need to right the ship against state, and to hell with ND. Have fun playing in the ACC. Always frightened to join the B1G because after a decade of Midwestern recruiting and subpar play on the field they would become just another team in Indiana who was once pretty good.
Though I ranked for 2014 ND>MSU>OSU, for me, YOUR point brings up the strongest argument for beating OSU first.
A similar way of stating the original question:
"Which VICTORY would make you feel best about losses to the two other teams?"
I have to admit that I would probably feel better about beating OSU and losing to MSU+ND, than beating ND and losing to MSU+OSU (been there, done that), or beating MSU and losing to ND+OSU (good enough to beat the locals but not anywhere else).
I'm calling my shot.....after Northwestern spanking ND's butt and them running from THAT TEAM in the 90s, Northwestern beatens them this year.
Words from your mouth to Touchdown Jesus' ear!
I guess I'd say MSU 1st because they will be tougher to beat this year IMO. (MSU/OSU/ND) Hyde being gone from OSU and no Guiton to trot on when ole QB goes down will make them stumble. MSU needs to be knocked down a peg, cause it's our turn to win the B1G this year. This year is all or nothing for the coaching staff, and I think they will pass the test. Go Blue!!!
Strategery boys, MUST beat MSU so we at least have a chance at playing for Big 10 title with win at columbus. Staee has Ohio at home following a bye...if they beat us and then Ohio, we have no chance, likely, to win the Big 10,even with a win at c-bus.
MSU>Ohio>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nd=who gives a shit domers
#1 Ohio. Far and away the most important game every year. #2 ND. This game is still more nationally recognized despite the recent lack of success between the two teams. #3 MSU. Even though it is a conference game, I just don't care about MSU as much as the other two.
...but the answer back then was Ohio..and the answer today is Ohio.
When I was at U-M, we went 0-4 against ND, 2-2 against MSU and 3-1 against OSU. It took a long time for me to rank OSU higher than ND as far as hatred goes. The 12-year Cooper era didn't help me learn to friggin' hate the Buckeyes. I hated MSU from the start (7-interception game; Desmond tripped on 2-pt conversion).
just win all 3
1a. Ohio 1b. State 3. Notre Dame
But fuck them all really. Like Charles said before the '97 season "let's just win". I believe in this team, the talent is here, now they just have to showcase their ability. Is it football season yet?
I would like to beat Urban Meyer in Columbus, lights out, no questions asked. It was sooo close last fall, but our broken-footed QB couldn't run and the 2pt play didn't go well. That would send a message, nationally, that you better respect Michigan again. And of course the priceless, "I just pissed in my own pants" look on Meyer's face at game end.
Michigan State is a close second. Dantonio has had a nice run, as I've posted before, courtesy of us and our broken recruiting practices for a few years. Sealing the deal in front of their sad fanbase is something I got to experience once. Taking one of two-in-a-row road games would put them on notice its going to be an away game next year, boys.
Notre Dame, of course the highlight for me is seeing Brian Kelly go purple in the face. I think their decision will backfire, to go knock off ACC creampuffs...I don't see that being good for their recruiting nor strength of schedule going forward. It would be nice to put a footnote on that but not fully necessary. The series is a nice memory in my brain going forward no matter what happens in the last game.
As much as I hate Dantonio (loathe / utterly despise, actually)...
Michigan State is a close second. Dantonio has had a nice run, as I've posted before, courtesy of us and our broken recruiting practices for a few years.
Pretty sure this isn't true. I used to look at it that way too. But I'm 99.9% sure that after three years of recruiting at a high level under Hoke we can't blame it on RR or that MSU picked up recruiting when we were down. Dantonio is just frustratingly good at developing players.
Doesn't make beating him and MSU any less important. The staff has to step up. But, peronsally, I'm done sleeping on MSU. I think the game last year convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Three years. THREE YEARS! FOR FUCKS SAKE, Hoke's been in charge of this program for THREE YEARS and we're still blaming RR and saying Dantonio caught us with our pants down? No. He's built something real in East Lansing. It pains me to admit it, but we're going to have to fight them tooth and nail as long as he's there. The days when MSU shits the bed (especially against us) are over. At least for a while.
Fuck I hate this post, this whole thread. Thanks for making me write this depressing shitpiece of a comment.
So if he loses to ND and OSU and wins the rest then wins the B1G title game and the Rose Bowl, he gets fired?
Under his guidelines yes. My question is if we go 6-7 (bowl loss) but beat MSU and ND does hoke keep his job as he beat two of the three??
It would be nearly impossible to beat MSU and ND and lose 7 other games. MSU is probably going to be the best team on our schedule and ND is probably 3rd/4th. It would portray a team that has enough talent and moxie to go on the road and beat 2 teams who play well at home and one which (for now) has more proven talent (something Hoke has yet to do at UM) but then come home and lose to a bunch of 8th place type Big 10 teams.
I think a more likely outcome is maybe stealing 1 of the 3 (best case scenario) but probably losing them all - I think ND is the most likely win IF it had been later in the year as they are the weakest of the 3 teams IMO... and then a lot of nailbiters. I looked over Utah's results last year and they were very close to winning a lot of games agains top 20 teams ..and beat Stanford. Maryland is tricky. Minnesota improved a lot last year. Rutgers on the road is Uconn on the road? Northwestern will be healthy. PSU at home is no gimmee Etc. A lot of games that a vintage UM would win but make it too close. But this version of UM has no room for error.
ND- MSU-ohio simply because that's how they fall on the schedule. Want wins in all three would ducking hate losses in any of these games
OSU-MSU-ND. It's never not that way.
1. MSU - conference game against little bro, who's owned us lately. Need to shift perception back to "normal"
2. OSU - conference game against most hated rival. Could spoil a playoff berth. Then again, they'll be a playoff contender so while it would suck to lose -- that's the national expectation of us
3. I would trade an ND loss for wins in the other two. Yeah, it's ND. Yeah it's our last one. Yeah, the chicken thing. But we've beat them so many times lately and a non-conference win means so much less to me.
All of them. I want to beat them all.
is the best, but losing to msu is the worst. If that makes sense....
Beating OSU is awesome, but a loss doesn't sting as much. Beating MSU is good to shut them up, but losing to them is just awful
osu, and I'd rather lose to osu would be another way to put it.
I, like most people who had success in sports (I was an all-American swimmer), hated losing more than I enjoyed winning. Losing to MSU is the WORST.
In my opinion, when looking at the rivalry games let's learn to walk before we start running. ND we seem to own and after this year it doesn't matter, so that game other than a number in the W/L column doesn't matter. Eff Nd.
MSU is the priority this year then OSU. I hate OSU fans, but have always hated OSU fans. Even when losing they are dumbasses and I've lived with their dumbassery for the whole 34 years of my life. Beating them is sweet no matter the time. Though it was never really a certain thing about beating them. But here's why I think MSU is the priority.
1. Their fans. In the past it was easy to ignore the few of them that didn't know their place in the world. It was behind Michigan and they could pickup the scrap bowl games we left them and pat them on their pointy little heads and move on. Since they've gone on a tare and we've fallen flat on our faces the last 8 years, it's become obnoxiously apparent they need to be put back in their place.
2. They won the B1G last year. While obviously year to year is different (Look at Auburn) it would do us well to beat the current B1G champions. I also think MSU will beat OSU, so just for reasons of beating the team that will beat OSU would make me feel better about the whole thing.
3. I think it's paramount to Hoke's longevity to beat either MSU or OSU this year. Not that that would be the straw that breaks the camels back, but I just think the natives are restless as it is. He's not done well winning away games and I think we have a better chance in EL than we do in Columbus.
I would definitely rank Notre Dame #3. As mentioned before, we have owned them as of late and the game has no bearing on the B1G outcome.
#1 and #2 are a toss up for me.
If all of UM, Ohio and MSU have a loss during the regular season then I would say Ohio is #2 and MSU is #1 as we have to begin shifting the tide back in our favor, and what better way to do so than with a road victory.
However, if Ohio is unbeaten at the end of the season, I would definitely rank Ohio #1 and MSU #2. In no way do I trust Wisconsin or Nebraska to beat Ohio on a neutral field , and I'll be damned if I want to see those jackasses in the 1st playoff. It would kill us from a recruiting standpoint.
Regardless of the era, at least to me, beating OSU has typically been the crowning achievement in a season, or at least in those seasons where it has happened, so I would place that on top. Back in the day, I probably would have said ND was next because it used to seem like this game was much more a thing than even the game against MSU, but with the emergence of a stable and upward trending MSU over the last several years, I would rank the Spartans second here. Actually, I suppose you could make an argument that any game with conference implications are merely shades of the #1 ranking, but for emotional value, MSU sits at #2 for me given the OP's criteria.
As for Notre Dame, they'll be off the radar for the foreseeable future after this season and really, it makes so much sense actually that South Bend, while geographically in the heart of the Big Ten, should sever its remaining ties with that conference and yearn to be on the Atlantic seaboard. That, and as the game has no conference implications, losing it would still potentially leave us in an OK position.
For 2014...and most years.
And this is coming from a guy who used to rank it OH>>>>>>>>ND>USC>>>>>>>>>MSU. ND chose to make themselves irrelevant to UM and has been mostly irrelevant to national observers for a long time (with one exceptional year). The national perspective still rests with OH and so does my historical and current hatred. It means a lot locally and I'm sick of the fans, coaches and players in EL, and Sparty has gained significant national respect recently. The division and PSU's coaching change means a punch in the mouth at the Big House will be important in 2014.
Sparty has gained significant national respect recently
It's hilarious, quite honestly. They'll fall back to place after Oregon beats them by a large margin
They've earned it, I hate to say. I don't find it hilarious and one game in September won't, and shouldn't change the perception. UM, OH and other bowl game losses will change it (if and when those happen).
1.) Ohio State
2.) Michigan State
3.) Notre Dame
I'd even put Penn State ahead of Notre Dame if we were going that route. We have to beat Ohio State. Hoke cannot afford to go 0-3 vs Urban, not that he can really afford to go 1-3 vs Dantonio.
Thrill of Victory: Ohio, NotreDame (bunch of arrogant ba$tards), MSU (beating little brother is expected)
Agony of Defeat: Ohio, MSU (their fans are awful after their wins), ND
As Charles Woodson once said, "Why not just win them all?"
This post wins today. Each one of the pics gives me chills.
I used to say ND was my superbowl because I came of age during the Holz/Bo era.
But I never walked out of a stadium with tears running down my face and unable to talk like I did after the OSU game in 2011.
#1 - MSU.
We need to control our own state first. The Sparty crowd is bad enough, when they are winning it is unbearable. We need success in this game. I want this one the most.
Thrill of Victory (1-10, with 10 being greatest thrill):
Beating ND doesn't really mean a whole lot, at least not in comparison to the other two. Just don't expect to beat the other two, with OSU seeming like a tremendous uphill climb and having huge B1G championship ramifications for at least one of the teams.
Agony of Defeat (1-10, with 10 being great burning agony):
Losing the last game against ND kinda sucks. ND and Michigan are pursuing a lot of the same guys in recruiting, especially Crawford with his "winner" comment, so that would be nice. Also, ND seems to be like the only game on the schedule that would make a difference between mediocre and excellent. Lose to all three and its another crap season.
I get more thrill out of a victory over OSU, but more agony over a loss to MSU. Gun to my head, I guess I'd rather see the Buckeyes in the Rose Bowl than Sparty if it came to it. It was an easier decision when Tressell was the coach - while slimy, he was never near as loathsome as Dantonio. Meyer has caught up to Mark in that department though.
I have always agreed with what has been said above numerous times: beating Ohio State is ten times more exhilarating than beating Michigan State, but losing to Sparty is ten times as awful as losing to OSU. My memories of really watching Michigan football begin with the 1988 season, so I've experienced plenty of dominance over both, and, lately, plenty of heartbreak against both. The differences in how they handle it are telling: Michigan beats OSU, they're crushed. They beat Michigan, it's the happiest day of the year. Michigan beats Michigan State, they act like they don't give a shit while somehow simultaneously peddling conspiracy theories. They win, and holy fuck, it's more than the happiest day of the year: history has actually been undone.
In terms of pure football, I'd rather beat Ohio State. In terms of fans, I'd rather beat Michigan State. I have lived in Columbus and I currently live near Lansing, and there's simply no comparing the obnoxiousness. Oh, sure, Ohio State fans act like drunken asshats and can be downright violent, no question about it. But Michigan State fans have this...other thing, I don't know, I can't describe it. They paint themselves as the "everymen," the cool, likeable alternative to the alleged WASP-ish, "Arrogant Asses" of Ann Arbor, and then at the same time engage in the incredibly elitist and classist practice of labeling non-alumni Michigan fans as "Walmart Wolverines" and lampooning them as rednecks. It's that hypocrisy (which is compounded by the fact that their own non-alumni fans engage in it) that makes them and their current dominance simply insufferable.
On the other hand, 2-6 against Dantonio? Ugh. 0-3 against Urban? Double ugh.
Fuck Notre Dame. Not only has Michigan gone 6 of 8, they've made sure it's absolutely heartbreaking every time. If they get Michigan back on the way out the door after making sure they got the last home game, oh well. Enjoy the ACC. Losers.
Edit: Also, I have a cousin who, prior to moving to Denver and jumping on the Broncos bandwagon, didn't give a shit about any sport, period. So first he becomes an NFL fan, then when he decides it's time to learn about college football too, he allows his wife to make him a Sparty. If it isn't annoying enough that he's been a fan of football since 2011 and a fan of MSU since 2012 and acts like a complete lifelong fanatic, he of course also "don't know shit" about Michigan's prior dominance of Michigan State, but can tell you in a heartbeat that MSU has currently won 5 of 6. Seriously, I love him, but fuck that guy.
That's probably the realest post I've ever seen.
Heheh, cheers and thanks!
OSU then MSU then every other B1G game then ND!
To answer the direct question - MSU >>>OSU>>>ND
However, I'm having the subject conflict -
My head says: If we go 10-2 and lose on the road in non-abysmal (MSU last year abysmal, OSU last year not abysmal) fashion to OSU/MSU, and win a bowl game, that's a pretty darn good year, and in 2015 we whip 'em at home.
My heart says we need to beat these bums NOW, to redeem the honor of Meeechigan.
Number 3 is easily Notre Dame. We've made Notre Dame our whipping boy for the past decade, no matter how mediocre both programs have been. How many times have they come into the game, supposedly the better team, and they get sent home with a loss? If we lose to them this year, it'll definitely sting, especially since its the last game in the series, but I can live with it. We've won 6 of the past 8 if I'm not mistaken.
MSU and OSU are pretty interchangeable for the top spot at this point in time, but I still have to give the slight edge to OSU, just because they are THE rival. If we lose to MSU and still beat OSU, then the MSU loss is just an afterthought to me. I really just say to myself "I'll let them have it, because I got what I really want."
If we beat MSU, then I'm a happy man. If we beat OSU, its pure euphoria. Multipled by 50. We haven't beaten a good, non Luke Fickell-coached OSU team in over a decade. Over. A. Decade. And I was jumping for joy when we beat them in 2011, when their team was a heaping pile of Bauser-bomb dog turd. I can't imagine what I would've done had we pulled out the W this past year. They were never good enough to play for a national title last year, but I was praying we'd be the ones that got to lay that fact out for them.
I'm going to do the whole schedule, just to put things in perspective:
- Penn State
- Tie between: Minnesota, Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, and Maryland.
- App. State
- Notre Dame
The ND game is basically worthless, as everyone has pointed out, since we've dominated the series (despite our very bad teams) and they chickened out. Sure, I'll be foaming at the mouth during the game, but in the big picture, I don't much care.
Penn State has some momentum with the new hire and their unexpected success; we need to beat them.
The rest of the conference is more important than any non-conference game. App. State would be higher if they had a realistic chance of winning. Other than ND, only Utah should even put up a fight.
Win THE GAME. Beat Sparty. Then take care of the rest of the conference. I'm much more concerned about getting to Indianapolis than I am about the Fig Things.
1: OSU. For as long as I have been alive "The Game" has mattered more than any other period. More than the Rose Bowl, more that the National Championship, and these days more than Indy. For me that will never change. TV10 / AD10
2: ND. I hold that school in the deepest and most abiding contempt. A program that for decades could field 22 grandmothers in wheel chairs and be in the national sportscaster's preseason discussions for a national championship. This is likely the last time we'll face them for at least a decade. I want to take the dual joy of a final win and their final loss along with me for the next ten or so years. TV9/AD9
3: MSU. This school was never considered a rival by my generation. As a result I just can't get overly concerned about playing them. I remember beating them so regularly that when we occasionally lost they were the unexpected loss of that season. They are having a good run and, while I hate the unnecessary roughness philosophy of their head coach, they've earned the run. But I am only able to view it as a run. MSU may stumble. They may continue to play high quality football. It doesn't matter. Michigan will right the football program and will regularly beat MSU again. I view this as an inevitable outcome because of the inherent quality differences across the board between the two schools. TV8 (it's always great to win) AD 6.
Part of this is because I view 2014 much as I did 2013. A very talented young team learning a new offense is a reciepe for high variance on the field. This is especially true when the youth is concentrated on the offensive line. They could win it all (highly unlikely) or lose seven+ (moderately unlikely) or anything in between.
1) Win over OSU
2) Win over MSU
3) Win over ND
We have exactly one win over OSU in the past ten years. We desperately need to restore competitiveness to that rivalry. Beating MSU is arguably just as important since we're supposed to be the dominant party in that rivalry.
If we beat MSU and OSU, I can stomach a loss to ND because we've dominated them lately. Also, let's be honest: no one really gives a shit about beating ND.
If i HAD to pick I would say MSU because I know way too many Bandwagon MSU fans. In fact, I have 2 sitting right behind me at work and I would have some choice words with them after that game.