Post-Game Open Thread (Keep Opinions Here)

Submitted by Geaux_Blue on

As a favor to the mods, I would suggest everyone put their gripes and VERY IMPORTANT PERSONAL OPINIONS in this one place for everyone's sake. It didn't happen after PSU and the tailspin the board took afterwards made nobody happy. 

I'm off to drink and act like I care about the Rose Bowl

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Mannix

January 1st, 2011 at 6:35 PM ^

my friend, yards...and stats. That is the metric by which to judge RR's offense. Nothing else matters.

I read numerous times this year how many points we left on the field. Yea, that's kind of the point of football. Teams leave points on the field all the time. Defense tends to keep points off the board and on the field when they figure out things and you know, adjust

I understand the more time plea, but I'm not buying. Plenty of coaches have changed culture and performance in one month. Some haven't. RR appears to be a very good OC and nothing more.

And I will keep doing things to this chicken, the speed option, until it comes out of the playbook RR has developed. Seriously, no offensive coach brought up the possibility of getting two speedy small guys to the edge and out flank them?

No one?

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tn wolverine

January 1st, 2011 at 5:41 PM ^

I envy all of you who don't live in sec country. I'm being ambushed on Facebook and on my phone by mouth breathing sec fans. This is a shitty way to start 2011.

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cjm

January 1st, 2011 at 5:42 PM ^

So maybe Urban Meyer will have another short retirement. Since he can't have his Florida job back maybe he will move to A2. Then we get new coach and keep spread offense.

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kb

January 1st, 2011 at 5:55 PM ^

  • Running backs who can't break tackles and hold on to the ball.
  • "Coach" Robinson and a defense that looks completely and utterly lost. 
  • Not even a hint of improvement on defense from the beginning of the year or from the end of the year to the bowl game.
  • Penalties that kill drives
  • "Special" teams with a punt blocked and missed FG (surprise)
  • Inability to compete with the upper half of the Big Ten.  The games haven't even been competitive.

These things have happened too consistently this season and I believe the coaches are to blame.  For sure get rid of GERG, but RRod's cronies need to leave too (if not RRod himself).  I feel I've given RRod a fair shake, but the program isn't headed in the right direction IMO.

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Callahan

January 1st, 2011 at 7:24 PM ^

I agree that Robinson needs to be fired, but the position coaches shouldn't even be allowed on the plane back. Those guys are the constant. There was very little improvement in individual players from games 1-13, certainly not enough improvement, as if you remove the rain soaked Purdue game, we gave up 218 since November started. The LBs were better this year than last, but their position coach? Greg Robinson.

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SmithersJoe

January 1st, 2011 at 5:58 PM ^

I honestly didn't expect this. I thought it would be a close game, high-scoring. Even after the 1st half, I thought the offense would make a run in the 2nd half even if the team fell short, as in the past. I thought I'd see even a little improvement in offensive ball security, in defensive fundamentals. I thought the team would play hard to the end, regardless of the score, as they have all season.

I thought it was worthwhile for DB to delay, because JH to the NFL and a bowl win for RR would rally many of the unsure fans back.  He could even survive a bowl loss as long as it was competitive and there were signs of improvement.

But this - now I don't think RR can continue regardless of what happens with JH.  On the offensive side of the ball - 14 points, 2-10 on 3rd down (and 0-5 on 4th), 2 turnovers, how many dropped passes (?!?), 341 yds of total offense (would be good for 86th in the nation) - it's not even enough to say that the offense is fine and the only change needed is on defense and special teams.

The game felt like a team and a staff that gave up - and I think that basically takes all the options away from DB. I can't see how he can retain RR and sell it as a positive thing.

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pdxblue

January 1st, 2011 at 6:05 PM ^

I fell firmly in the camp that RR needs another year.  I even argued about it with my brother last night.    I had all the appropriate facts - attrition  on defense, youth , etc.   The bottom line is that the defense didnt have a clue.   Execution on offense comes from good preparation.  This team did not look prepared in any way, shape or form.  

I was a student when Jim Harbaugh gauranteed a victory against Ohio State and then delivered it.   I drank with with the football team that night.    I am off to find my old #4 jersey.

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M-Wolverine

January 1st, 2011 at 6:16 PM ^

Do the rumors about Rich come out from "leaks" in the athletic department discrediting him and bolstering the move? Because corporate SOP in these situations is when someone is given the heave, all these "stories" suddenly see the light of day. (The Pistons/Palace are masters of this).

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SmithersJoe

January 1st, 2011 at 8:12 PM ^

Honestly, I don't think that's necessary at this point. Just cast RR's record in terms of overall averages rather than yoy trends, highlight conference record and record against MSU and OSU, and talk about "all 3 phases of the game."

One cannot cherry-pick statistics that do not exist. Unfortunately, RR has provided sufficient evidence to allow his detractors to use against him.

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Happyshooter

January 1st, 2011 at 6:35 PM ^

The end of the first quarter through the last second of the game sucked like a pattaya beach whore the day the fleet comes in.

I thought typing this would make me feel better, but I am still bummed.

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sharkhunter

January 1st, 2011 at 6:56 PM ^

and starting over somewhere else with a clean slate and no drama or BS (caused either by himself or others).  Seems to be a long bad dream for Michigan and Coach Rod. 

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Crime Reporter

January 1st, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^

But I don't see how we can after today's performance. We're not a good team. We haven't been in three years.

We had more than a month to prepare for this game and there were no new wrinkles. Same shit. Same predictable finish.

I'm for change at this point, as hard as it sounds. For whatever reason, I believe this team will continue to be middle-of-the-pack under the current regime. I'm just sad.

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EverybodyMurders

January 1st, 2011 at 11:36 PM ^

All I can think about is the contrast between today and exactly three years ago.

We just sent Lloyd out with an amazing victory over the defending champions and the heisman trophy winner. We had a hot item hire who (most) fans were excited for and the future was promising. I was SO DAMN HAPPY THREE YEARS AGO.

And now three years later, look at this mess. I've been here for undergrad 3 years and all three years have been unbelievably dissapointing. The irony is ridiculous, I've been going to games ever since 2002 (PSU OT game) and we had been the Michigan of old. Once I start paying to live on campus and attending games as a student, we suck majorly. We just got blown out in a bowl game worse than Tennessee beat us in the Citrus Bowl a few years back. Defense is nonexistent, special teams is horrendous (except Tay today, well done) and our coach, who I have supported for 3 solid years, is about to be fired. I don't know what to say. Alcohol

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ixcuincle

January 2nd, 2011 at 7:56 AM ^

He should be fired because

- his teams look like absolute crap coming off bye weeks and long periods of time when your'e supposed to actually look like your teams are prepared

He shouldn't be fired because

- it could be said that his teams are slowly improving record-wise

- he can recruit

- the defense is the main problem and someone in charge of the D should be cut instead

Very tough, and there's a lot of clamor for his head right now, but I'd give him one more year. No way he stays if this crap continues next year. But you have to give him one more year...just maybe...maybe...Michigan might actually be able to beat good teams and suffer only 3 losses

Maybe

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Soulfire21

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:16 PM ^

I believe we'll be better next year under Rich Rod (read: It can't be worse, can it?)

OR

If Harbaugh comes in, I think we'll do alright next year.  Though he will get credit for the wins with Rich Rod's recruits.

I don't know, this could just be another disaster lying in wait.  We become Notre Dame?

Rich Rod was definitely proven when he was hired by Michigan - turning in 11 win seasons and a couple BCS bowl victories.

Harbaugh not so much.  He brought Stanford to 11-1 (it took him 4 years to get there, as he had 4 wins his first season).  The only good team in the PAC-10 however is Oregon [and Stanford], a spread team with a mobile QB that absolutely shredded Stanford.  I do not miss the days of Michigan being destroyed by every mobile QB we faced.

Oregon is 9-0 in PAC 10 play
Stanford is 8-1 in PAC 10 play

Then shit hits the fan:

Washington is 5-4, USC is 5-4, then it just gets worse.

Read:  The PAC 10 sucks.

Alright, so it took Harbaugh 4 years to get Stanford to 11 wins in a conference that might be at its worst in recent history.

He has not a single bowl win.

Hmm... We'll see... We'll see.

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