January 8th, 2020 at 11:32 AM ^
since I really don't have anything nice to say I'll just say " " and "RIP".
January 8th, 2020 at 3:12 PM ^
It's okay to call a spade a spade.
Fuck him. Contributed to the rape culture at State and blaming/shaming the victims afterwards.
I hope Perles is in that special spot in hell reserved for those who take advantage of those who cannot defend themselves.
January 8th, 2020 at 9:00 PM ^
What an asshole comment
January 9th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^
Did I trigger you Sparty? Show me one clause in my post which isn't true. I'll wait...
January 9th, 2020 at 3:45 PM ^
Like any poster who accuses someone who thinks they are over the top about a rival school of being a rival fan in disguise, I'mTheStig is a total imbecile.
January 8th, 2020 at 9:01 PM ^
What an asshole comment
January 8th, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^
85 is a hell of a good run given his habits.
I saw him around Lansing several times in a wheelchair.
RIP
January 8th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
Keep it respectful Mgoblog. Rule #1 in life is never act like an RCMB member. It will get you far. RIP George.
January 8th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^
"In January of 1980, it appeared to most at MSU that Perles was set to become the Spartans head coach after Darryl Rogers left abruptly, with athletic director Joe Kearney, for Arizona State.
Perles wanted passionately the Spartans job he had dreamed about for all his coaching life. But at the last moment, MSU stunned all of college football when it opted for Muddy Waters, who had previously coached at Hillsdale College and Saginaw Valley State."
I still remember hearing that Waters had been hired and thinking "who the hell is Muddy Waters?" Can't believe that the MSU AD fucked that easy choice up so badly.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:13 PM ^
Fuddy Duddy,
Muddy & Juddy
January 8th, 2020 at 5:20 PM ^
Muddy never lost to Central!
January 8th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^
What’s complicated about it? He ran a morally corrupt organization and ended up a career .500 coach. He then was one of the overseers off the greatest moral scandal in American athletic history, then attempted to cover it up, along with his cronies, every step of the way after it was discovered.
January 8th, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^
All true but.....
Is there any obligation to mention it in an RIP thread? I mean i've been to a bunch of funerals where the dead guy was an asshole and not once did I feel compelled to turn to someone in the line to pay our last respects and say "You know what? In life that dude was an asshole" I just say nothing, smile and move through the line.
Like me late father used to tell me "Donald, just because you can say something doesn't mean you have to. Even if it's true. Actually especially if it's true."
January 8th, 2020 at 11:56 AM ^
That's fine at a funeral.
This is not a funeral. In fact, it is important not to whitewash a terrible person's life, for we risk forgetting how their transgressions came about.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
“Just because you can say something doesn’t mean you have to. Even if it’s true. Actually especially if it’s true.”
I hate this sentiment.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
Yeah, there's a line between "tact" and "enabling."
January 8th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^
I am well aware of the distinction. IMO tact is deployed once a person has passed so their transgressions, whatever they might be, have ended and enabling occurs when that person is still alive and capable of continuing whatever behavior you believe should be stopped.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:40 PM ^
it is a sadly safe assertion that monocle has not likely said a nice word about anyone in his (or her?) life. and i say 'sad', not in a condemning way, but in the way that means anyone who is that exceptionally negative and trying so hard to be condescending is undoubtedly dealing with personal issues that weigh very heavily on him. the lens of his life is a bitter, unhappy color and that is a shame.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^
Bam!
January 8th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^
Bam!
January 9th, 2020 at 2:09 AM ^
This rubric is in opposition to learning from mistakes once someone dies and is actually kind of a pocket veto for anything besides whitewashing. It's pretty anti-intellectual policy.
I'm curious if you think it should be applied to world leaders as well? Certainly, a football coach is a public figure. Some are even the highest paid employees of their state of residence.
What's the sociatial benefit of ignoring factual actions that caused material harm to others?
January 8th, 2020 at 10:49 PM ^
Can there be enabling when he's dead?
January 8th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^
Thoughts and prayers to you then if your significant other ever asks "do I look fat in this outfit?"
January 8th, 2020 at 12:24 PM ^
Wait—we share the same first name?
January 8th, 2020 at 2:08 PM ^
Um I dont think so. My first name really is Don. If memory serves....yours isnt.
Dont ask me why I think that though. I would swear there was a post years ago when you posted your real name I thought I remember laughing because it wasnt Don.
January 8th, 2020 at 5:29 PM ^
Soooo..."Don" is MGrowOld's burner account on MGOBLOG?
January 8th, 2020 at 5:46 PM ^
Don't know where you got that idea—Don's my name, and I do look like a goddamn skull in the morning before I've had my coffee.
January 9th, 2020 at 7:24 AM ^
yeah the coffee really fills in that rosey complection I'm sure
January 8th, 2020 at 1:58 PM ^
Here is a common tool to check if a comment is appropriate
is it true? Yes in this case
is it kind? Not really
is it necessary. Not at all. So I say just keep quiet in this situation
January 8th, 2020 at 12:34 PM ^
For those curious, Perles was on the Michigan State Board of Trustees from 2006-2018. The only implication of him in the Nassar scandal was that he was alleged, in a lawsuit, to have covered up Nassar's drugging and raping of a field hockey player at Michigan State in 1992.
The allegations were debunked, as it was found that Nasser was still in medical school in 1992 and had no affiliation with Michigan State at the time. The field hockey coach who had allegedly reported the incident to Perles has stated that she does not remember the individual ever playing field hockey at Michigan State, and that she had almost no contact with George Perles while he was there. The lawsuit was dismissed.
The independent investigation conducted by William Forsyth into Nassar's crimes and Michigan State's response discredited the allegations that Perles covered up any allegations against Nassar.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:23 PM ^
Of course EVERY investigation conducted by staee always finds them blameless.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:32 PM ^
It was an investigation by a special prosecutor appointed by the Attorney General that lead to charges and convictions against three former Michigan State employees.
January 8th, 2020 at 2:03 PM ^
I was always curious about Perles being implicated in the Nassar situation as AD, because the timeline doesn't make sense. Thanks for clarifying.
January 8th, 2020 at 2:38 PM ^
This is a Michigan blog. It's super difficult to pass up any opportunity to question the officiating.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^
I'm a little confused. As I understand it, his time as head football coach ended with MSU being put on probation for improper benefits and fudging academics. Am I missing something else? I was under the impression this board was all for giving athletes compensation. I also don't think helping some athletes stay eligible is the worst thing in the world. Against the rules, sure, but not morally corrupt per say. That is just my opinion. And as another poster has already stated, he was cleared of any cover up of the Nassar investigation. Is he being treated as guilty by association? I don't know much about him personally. His MSU coaching tenor was when I was 4-15, so I don't remember much of it. So unless I'm missing something I think you're being unduly harsh.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^
The man was a giant.......
Not that he was particularly good at anything he did, but he was literally an extremely large individual.
January 8th, 2020 at 8:30 PM ^
Wait a minute are we still talking about George Perlis or Mark Dantonio
January 8th, 2020 at 11:58 AM ^
I honestly didn’t know he was still alive.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:21 PM ^
Well actually he kinda isnt.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^
Unless he is just mostly dead. If that's the case, you can always make a call to Miracle Max.
January 8th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^
Humperdink Humperdink Humperdink
January 8th, 2020 at 12:02 PM ^
No comment.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^
My sophomore year, George Perles came to my high school on a recruiting trip and he spoke to me. I didn't want to talk to him, but felt obliged.
I remember it like it was yesterday.
He asked me, "Hey, where's the john?"
January 8th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^
Steve Fisher asked me the same question when I was working at the Gandy Dancer, shortly after the good guys shocked the world in '89. I directed him to the more private commode in the lounge/bar area of the restaurant. He appeared to appreciate the advice.
RIP George Perles.
January 8th, 2020 at 2:03 PM ^
I sent George to the student bathroom, not the cleaner teachers one by the office.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:12 PM ^
RI...ah nevermind
January 8th, 2020 at 12:14 PM ^
Condolences to his family and friends.
Perles was a goon. In a properly ordered world he would have topped out way short of head coach or regent.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
If we’re looking to be respectful despite the truth of his life, I’ll just say he was a great avatar for Sparty fandom
January 8th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^
I think Brian's post-death commentary on Drew Sharp established a baseline for how we deal with these things on Mgoblog.
https://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-voracity-eulogizes-troll
January 8th, 2020 at 12:51 PM ^
Ah. October, 2016...what innocent days.