Bo Harbaugh

June 7th, 2020 at 11:46 PM ^

Putting aside the issue of systemic racism (which goes much deeper than just policing - like every layer of society -healthcare, socioeconomics, education, upward mobility, career opportunities, voting, etc, etc, etc), and just focusing on policing for this topic....

When police started rolling around in tanks and were militarized, due to the surplus of weaponry and supplies post 9-11 Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, shit got even worse than it was. It got worse for everyone, and as the wars wound down or were using new weapons such as drones, the military profiteers needed to continue to sell their toys somewhere...hello police state (which of course disproportionately screwed black and brown people in urban areas) because that's where police get to test out all the new toys.

Time to wind down the absurdity of arming police as if they are at war with the population they are supposed to protect. 

 

Bodogblog

June 8th, 2020 at 12:03 AM ^

I agree with this completely.  I'll add that I've been increasingly sickened by no-knock tragedies, confiscation of property, and and intimidation by way too many in the policing community, in addition to what you note above, and the violence against black people.  

But abolishing the police force?  First thought is that seems like lunacy.  But the post above is very informative - I didn't know another city had implemented such a system.  I'll need to educate myself.  And I don't feel bad that I didn't know this.  My life is full and very busy and it's impossible to know all things known by all people. 

But this is a very important topic, so I'll be getting my fill in the next few days.  

bronxblue

June 7th, 2020 at 11:56 PM ^

Like all articles, the headline belies quite a bit more nuance, as this same councilperson states 

"The idea of having no police department is certainly not in the short term," she added.

The idea is that the current police department isn't working and starting fresh might be the better option.  It doesn't mean every police officer disappears forever, but perhaps there are measures taken to change the current system similar to what we've seen in order cities regarding more community involvement and a focus on de-escalation practices.  In practice my guess is that it simply means a lot of the officers come back to work but the ability to remove, say, a guy with numerous excessive force claims against him is a bit easier.

Erik_in_Dayton

June 8th, 2020 at 12:15 AM ^

To echo what others have said, please read the article before you assume the city council is inviting Mad Max Fury Road. It's too early to tell exactly what this move would mean, but it's very unlikely to involve a complete lack of law enforcement. 

Piston Blue

June 8th, 2020 at 12:16 AM ^

At the very least, this will be a fascinating experiment, and as a BA in political science one I will pay close attention to. Though I'm a bit skeptical of a city of this size adopting this approach (a feeling that it seems several on the board tonight share), like many have mentioned this method did bring about some positive results in Camden where their community was struggling to establish trust between the police and the public. Here's hoping this brings a newfound hope in the Twin Cities and more data to find more efficient ways to protect and serve.

Just one note to the OP though: while I appreciate the enthusiasm for current events and believe this would be a pretty normal/cool OT topic even during the season, I think mgoblog would benefit from less personal commentary on such issues as it usually turns the resulting thread into a political debate. I still believe that a non-political mgoblog is possible!

Hotel Putingrad

June 8th, 2020 at 12:33 AM ^

This is nothing more than a political stunt designed to break Kroll's hold on the union.

Minneapolis will not be without a police force.

They will "dissolve" the force then selectively rehire.

JonnyHintz

June 8th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^

If everyone didn’t have the mindset of “third party candidates aren’t viable so I won’t vote for them,” then third party candidates WOULD be viable.

This country is stuck in a two party system largely because people are afraid to vote third party because... no one... votes... third... party... see how that works? It’s a catch 22

MichiganStan

June 8th, 2020 at 4:28 AM ^

Im betting a solid portion of Minneapolis protestors are now feeling a bit regretful. Its one thing to protest police brutality. Its another thing to disband the police

Im glad I dont live there. The only people that win in this situation are criminals

 

BarkerC

June 8th, 2020 at 7:14 AM ^

Well geniuses, you forgot that there is a branch of law enforcement that isn't being discussed...The prison system where all the predators go who prey on the Champions of social justice....society.   Thats why you have police departments.  In case you were not aware, Michigans sentencing guidelines and parole guidelines have been significantly revamped.  We have law enforcement because grownups can't seem to always behave.  If you have a criminal element you will have law enforcement.

DonBrownsMustache

June 8th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^

I do not support movements that do not allow data and dissenting opinions into the debate.

ThisGuyFawkes

June 8th, 2020 at 10:36 AM ^

Yes, we know that you feel the need to inject your brilliant counter argument that racism doesn't exist and everybody protesting is just misdirecting their anger at police instead of the real culprits -- black people and their inherent criminality. How'd I do?

DonBrownsMustache

June 8th, 2020 at 10:57 AM ^

An African American teen in Buffalo who spent 10 hours cleaning up what the protestors left behind and was rewarded by members of the community with a car and a college scholarship.  People are good and if more African Americans showed interest in the community people would undoubtedly reciprocate the good.  Imagine if instead of protesting those people spent all that time helping the community.

ThisGuyFawkes

June 8th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^

Take a look at this guy's posting history on recent threads:

"If systemic racism exists you would not have African Americans in positions like mayors, congressmen/women, President, doctors, lawyers, etc."

"Systemic oppression is a vague term thrown around by politicians that they can point to whenever they have a grievance. The only oppression I see is what the black community does to itself with homicides and absent fathers."

 

What in the actual fuck -- this is 4chan and Stormfront level shit right here on MgoBlog -- but glad to see you and others support this content. I'll go crawl back in my lefty hole and let you true patriots tell me what's best for the black community.

ThisGuyFawkes

June 8th, 2020 at 2:02 PM ^

Ah, your argument can't stand on it's own so you put words in my mouth -- show me where I called him a nazi? I said his comment and that type of thinking is what you would expect to see from a white supremacist. But I guess his is just a different opinion and therefore I'm wrong to criticize it - understood.

I'm also so relieved to find out that racism is over since we elected a black president -- how exciting.

ThisGuyFawkes

June 8th, 2020 at 5:39 PM ^

No, I just combined two words storm and front -- thought it was a meteorological term. 

Comment stands -- I never said the OP was a neo-nazi (not saying he isn't) simply pointing out that comments to the effect that the only problems black people face in the US are of their own making is the level of discourse I'd expect on the sites I referenced.