OT: Stupid Idiots plotting to overthrow the gov't get caught by FBI. [LOCKED]

Submitted by JamesBondHerpesMeds on October 8th, 2020 at 12:14 PM

There's no other way, really, to describe a bunch of stupid neckbeards gathering in a field to try and overthrow the Governor, then getting caught by the FBI trying to do it.

As smitten with the Mitten as we all are...these boys are dumb, and they should feel dumb.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/governor-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-plot-militia/5921409002/

[Locking this up.  I just took a quick 3-minute scan thru 6 pages and it's obvious the thread had long-ago degenerated into mostly mud-slinging.] 

DTOW

October 8th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^

"...talked about creating a society that followed the U.S. Bill of Rights, in which they could be self-sufficient."

 

Couldn't they all just move to an area together and live self sufficiently on their own?  People do it all the time, its called camping.

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jbibiza

October 8th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^

These groups are not 'militias'. They should be called by a more accurate name like 'hate gangs'.
The second amendment referred to organized government militias, which were a major part of the country's military potential at that time. It is irrelevant today and was never meant to arm idiots like these groups.

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Desert Wolverine

October 8th, 2020 at 8:07 PM ^

While not disagreeing that this whole group has a collective room temperature IQ, before you make definitive statements about what parts part of the Constitution mean, you need to go read what the guys who wrote it had to say. People today confuse the fact that while the revolution was fought with large contributions by irregular militias, Washington was clear that the Continental Army, not the militias were the fighting force of import.  By the time of the Convention both Adams and Madison were clear that they respected the need for an independently armed populace to act as a brake on Governmental Over-reach.  The armed farmers at Lexington and Concord did not win independence, but they did send the initial armed foray scurrying back to Boston creating a time window for the rest of the colonists to decide what the reaction was going to be.

Personally I think Gov Whitmer has made significant errors  in judgement and behavior, however I wish her no ill.  In fact, I hope she has a long and happy retirement, its just that I want it to start sooner than later.

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Brimley

October 8th, 2020 at 9:09 PM ^

The armed farmers acted as a brake on citizens resisting their government in the Whiskey Rebellion when the well-regulated militias of several states, with Washington riding at the head, put down a tax rebellion.  This was a couple years after the Bill of Rights was ratified.  Also, according to property records, gun ownership wasn't very common at all circa 1776.

I'm not looking for a fight over the amendment.  However, if the standard we're going to apply to Constitutional issues generally is framers' intent, we have to know exactly the world they lived in (which is radically different from now, of course).

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Seth

October 8th, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^

The only failure of the camping outing was when it was Brian's turn to sing. There are people who can't carry a tune, and then there are people who drop the tune, trip on it, land face-first, then roll down the hill with the tune into a nuclear plant which then melts down.

This is real by the way. We actually went camping together once. Sorta. Upchurch's uncle who looks EXACTLY like Jim Leyland had us all out at his cabin, all being me, Brian, Ace, Eric, and Heiko, plus wives/girlfriends and Subarus.

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Infectious Dis…

October 8th, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^

I hate to break it to you but there are videos of one of the main dudes in this insanity (Brandon Caserta) and he doesn't look like any Republican in my town.  He is sitting in front of an Anarchists' flag and looks like he was picked from liberal central casting.

Good job on all of the assumptions though. ??

 

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njvictor

October 8th, 2020 at 3:48 PM ^

Anarcho libertarian is far right, which completely goes against your "He'S a LiBeRaL" assumption. Keep attempting to distance them from the modern day Republican party, but it's not gonna work

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TIMMMAAY

October 8th, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^

Some of them genuinely believe this kind of thing (above). It's insane. Certain news outlets (I will refrain from naming names) have a lot to answer for. I think that a lot of these people - I don't know if it's most, half, a quarter, whatever - are generally good people, who have been outright brainwashed by a constant stream of absolute bullshit. But a lot of people have their preferred network, and just don't get exposed to much else. These media outlets, and the personalities they employ have become very sophisticated about keeping people engaged, and outraged (driving further engagement). 

The only way out that I can see, is a modern version of the Fairness Doctrine, codified into law and applied to anyone or anything purporting to be "news". Otherwise we're already way too far down a very slippery slope. Most everyone has picked their "side", and nothing that anyone says or does will sway the "other side" an inch. Very tricky, and serious situation. 

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Shop Smart Sho…

October 8th, 2020 at 1:16 PM ^

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

 

(a)

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are—(1)

the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)

the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


I don't think this group fits that definition. They are using violence, or the threat of it, to influence politics. They're terrorists. 

 

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teldar

October 8th, 2020 at 3:40 PM ^

This is completely reasonable that all people who use violence for political leverage should be prosecuted regardless of political affiliation.

I will say I don't believe most of the BLM organization is terrorists. I think a lot of them are people who see racism. It's unfortunate they're aligning with a group whose real objectives might not be so simple. 

Antifa members, on the other hand, many are violent terrorists and should be treated as such. 

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Shop Smart Sho…

October 8th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^

"Antifa members, on the other hand, many are violent terrorists and should be treated as such."

It's odd that you people keep saying this without offering any proof of your claims, and in defiance of the official position of the United States DOJ.

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teldar

October 8th, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^

There's the journalist who was attacked until unconscious because he joined the"blm" riots under cover and was found out. His premise was that they were actually right wing extremists but was amazed that they were left wing antifa members. He wrote articles and do I believe they cracked his skull. This is now. It was just written about.

 

A couple years ago there was a right wing rally and 5 people were stabbed. It's in the article that was referenced. 

Much of the destruction in the"blm" riots is from people from people who are on camera arguing or ignoring actual blm protesters.

 

I think if you deny Antifa is at all a problem, I would guess that's willful ignorance or an agenda.

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Shop Smart Sho…

October 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^

Andy Ngo is not a journalist. He is a right-wing provocateur who is on tape planning violence with white nationalists.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

The people stabbed were protesting at a Nazi rally. If you're surprised that antifa shows up at a Nazi rally to break it up, I think you might be interested in learning the history of the antifa movement.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-neo-nazi-stabbed-20160626-snap-htmlstory.html

You're right, much of the destruction caused at BLM "PROTESTS" is started by outside groups. Here is an example for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-minneapolis/

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sharklover

October 8th, 2020 at 5:59 PM ^

I live in the city of Portland and I work within blocks of the epicenter of the downtown protests. While I am no fan of antifa, I think your attempt to equate them or their tactics with the  proud boys is totally off base and ill informed.

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