OT: Paterno knew of Sandusky abuse in 1976
The PSU cultists will still defend him.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
A new bombshell dropped in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal Thursday.It came in the form of a line in a court order on a related insurance coverage case involving Penn State, and its ramifications can't immediately be gauged.But that line was eye-popping in itself.The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."
Ugh.
So it's time to take the Joe Pa statue back down for a couple more years?
PSU should have had the death sentence for this. Now the ship has sailed and the program will no longer face any ramifications, but Sandusky's victims will likely never recover.
I was just covering a similar case but not on the grand scale like Sandusky and PSU was. Those people are now in their mid 50's in this case and they were still so scarred from what happened to them as teenagers.
Sandusky's victims will likely suffer from the same fate. So sad.
Victims of that kind of abuse just can't get over it. The effects linger for their entire life. PSU fans can't continue to ignore and defend this. JoePa cared deeply about his university, but he cared more about his own legacy, to the detriment of everything else. Sad.
Sounds like a witch hunt to me.
The writer said there were 6 other coaches that also knew. Why don't they name them? Do you care about the kids? If so then name the coaches. Some of them might still be coaching. Are they afraid of implicating UM, OSU, UCLA?
Sounds like a witch hunt to me.
The writer said there were 6 other coaches that also knew. Why don't they name them? Do you care about the kids? If so then name the coaches. Some of them might still be coaching. Are they afraid of implicating UM, OSU, UCLA?
I'm from PA and both my brothers went to Penn State. For the good of Penn State, I think they should have shut the program down for a year . . . to clean house and completely "reboot" so to speak. To publically disconnect cleanly from a past that had gotten out of control.
Instead, they way they did it keeps it just trudging along through the muck forever. Everyone who is not a blind PSU homer knows that nasty stuff went down and Paterno looked the other way at best, and tried to cover it up at worst.
The program should have taken its lumps for a tragic past, and then in word and deed made a clean break from it.
Then they would not have to let it define them every time a new sick episode is uncovered. And you know there will be more. This guy was serial.
yeah i think last i heard there was a fed investigation into snail mail trading of child porn going back decades, so i was expecting more. Not necessarily paterno's involvement before Mcqueery came forward, although if true it now makes even more sense why paterno urged the AD and prez to keep it under wraps....he would've been put personally at risk due to a cover up for years and years. It certainly makes paterno look a real devil if true
For the good of Penn State, I think they should have shut the program down for a year . . . to clean house and completely "reboot" so to speak. To publically disconnect cleanly from a past that had gotten out of control.Easy to say, but we as Michigan fans have a much different perspective of our place in college football history than Penn State. Joe Paterno comprises pretty much all of Penn State's glory. Without him, they're nothing. If the type of scandal that hit JoePa had befallen Bo Schembechler, it would have hurt Michigan, but our history wouldn't completely be stricken.
well not just that, but should have been removed from the conference. I don't buy tickets the years sandusky state is on the schedule, or watch the games michigan or any other team plays against them. If i thought they were repentant that might be one thing, but as is with their "this is our 9/11" and trying to resist their proper punishment (which is to shut down football), they disgust me in every way
If this can in any way be proven true, Joe Paterno should be scrubbed from the sport of college football. Any award he won, any game he won, any record he holds, any statue...etc. They should all be gone. And he should be remembered for nothing but this, in perpetuity, forever.
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For the better. But back then, before society was liberalized as it is now, people didn't talk or even report things like that. It wasn't until the late 70's that you even said "pregnant" on TV. The usual reaction to anything of that nature was disgust and turning away, never to be spoken of again. It's not right, but I understand the reaction people had to that back then, and things did not get reported.
I agree. This is in no way a funny topic, but Louis CK's bit on the "town child molester" in his town in the 1970's is spot on. There was a child molester, everyone know who he was and where he lived, the parents warned all the kids, and if anyone got molested, it was their fault for getting in his car. Funny-sad, but also pretty much true...
I was walking home from a friend's house in around 1974 (I was around 12 years old) when a guy slowly drove past me a few times and then asked me if I needed a lift. I was terrified, told him no and took off like Jesse Owens. When I got home, my mom called the local cops (Grand Blanc). They took information over the phone (general description of guy and car, partial plate I got). Never talked to me. Never came to the house. Never talked to neighbors. Nothing.
Now go look up the Oakland County child killer. I always wondered if I met him that day.
You're right that people treated this differently then.
It's the oatmeal. Literally makes you years younger.
I mean, in Illinois a few weeks ago 60 people wrote letters defending the character of Dennis Hastert - the self proclaimed child molester.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-dennis-hastert-letters-of-support-20160422-htmlstory.html
These are people who KNEW that he was guilty of the hush money case, and still want to support the KNOWN CHILD MOLESTER. In 2016!
I get your point, but I see Hastert's deal as more a case of people willing to overlook terrible, terrible stuff because someone is famous or rich or powerful. The general view of child abuse has changed over the years (thank God). However, some people's willfully ignoring vicitms due to star power of the perpetrator has not.
This wasn't the only cover up in the story. Paterno knew in 99 and they forced Sandusky to retire.
He should have been given damnatio memoriae from the beginning.
But without proof, no one was going to believe that Holy Joe actually knew anything.
I learned something today. Thank you.
And here I thought it was an MSU joke.
When I heard that Sandusky was "retiring" I shot him an email and asked him what's up.
His response was along the lines of he had heard things that were so outlandish, that it would crazy to repeat; but if they were true, it would be terrible.
No way Joe didn't know.
Did he want another DC job? I remember the TV crew paying tribute to him in the '99 game (which was his last one at Beaver Stadium, IIRC). It seemed at the time like a normal retirement.
He wanted to spend more time raping kids via his charity and access to PSU facilities.
Of course it seemed like a normal retirement. This is one of those things that only looks odd in hindsight.
Although, he was only 55 at the time, which is kind of young to retire, especially when everyone assumes you'll take over as HC when Joe hangs it up.
I agree with all that. I'm just not sure if people outside of PSU knew anything about this. Apparently ABC didn't, given that they made his retirement one of the "storylines" of that broadcast. I would assume that if they'd heard any rumors of molestation, they wouldn't have touched that topic with a 10-foot pole.
He said publicly that he was interested in a head job somewhere. Maryland interviewed him for HC a few years before his retirement, and I remember hearing that he was a likely hire...and then their interest seemed to dry up overnight (well, literally it was over a weekend--on Friday they were setting up a Monday meeting with the screening committee, and on Sunday night his wife was fielding a call that he'd been removed from consideration and the meeting was off).
Which doesn't mean they knew anything. They might have made some phone calls, heard some not-so-warm "recommendations" that made it clear there was some dirty laundry of some unspecified sort. I'm guessing a lot of people knew there was supposed to be something that might make him a problematic hire, a fair number of people had heard rumors of what it might be (probably some of them completely off base), but very few people knew.
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I know, let's strike all of Joe Paterno's wins from the football rolls only to restore them 4 years later. That'll make a point...
...oh, wait...