OT - Nick Saban nabs 5 star by offering his gf a job

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OT - Nick Saban nabs 5 star by offering his gf a job

Title says it all.

http://outkickthecoverage.com/five-star-recruit-landon-collins-mom-alleges-nick-saban-promised-job-to-recruits-girlfriend.php

Remember the 5 star at the UA AA Bowl who chose Alabama despite his mom sitting next to him, who wanted him to go to LSU? According to the mom, Saban closed the deal by offering the recruits girlfriend a job. Bama of course can't comment on any prospective student athlete until after a LOI comes in. But this, while dirty as all hell, isn't actually against NCAA rules. It only is for basketball recruiting. The NCAA makes zero sense. If we were worried about Saban finding new loopholes after the SEC "cracked" down on oversigning, here's one he found.

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:23 PM | I for one don't even get (Score:5 Normal)
mmiicchhiiggaann
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I for one don't even get angry at this-Saban is obviously one of the hardest workers to find these loopholes to help entice top recruits.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:35 PM | SEC:  "If you ain't cheatin', (Score:5 Normal)
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SEC:  "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'."

 

 

M'Dog

January 30th, 2012 at 4:45 PM | Technically, Saban never (Score:3 Normal)
jmblue
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Technically, Saban never actually cheats; he just finds every last loophole he can to squeeze through.  He must have a great team of lawyers.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:53 PM | I'm obviously making a (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm obviously making a caricature of your statement, but you would have quite the ethical principle if you defaulted to:

I don't like it when people do unethical things - unless they worked hard to do them, in which case, meh, I respect that.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:23 PM | Was the job offer written on (Score:5 Normal)
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Was the job offer written on a cocktail napkin?

January 30th, 2012 at 5:19 PM | Maybe ... (Score:2 Normal)
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Nick wants her to be one of the "welcome to Alabama" co-eds we've been hearing about .. /s

Go Blue!

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:24 PM | Not Surprised (Score:1)
starrmander
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Sadly, this does not surprise me at all.  Saban has no respect for the "spirit of the law" and can find any loophole in the "letter of the law."  He has put winning above everything else.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:29 PM | What I really don't get (Score:2 Normal)
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Who at the NCAA had the bright idea to write this rule.... ONLY FOR BASKETBALL RECRUITS!!

 

"The NCAA passed a new bylaw in 2010 pertaining specifically to men's basketball that prohibits a university from employing an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete. This bylaw, however, does not apply to college football recruits. According to NCAA bylaw 13.8.3.2:

"In men's basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete's anticipated enrollment and a two-year period after the student-athlete's actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position."

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:32 PM | No kidding. What a joke. (Score:5 Normal)
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No kidding. What a joke. Although we should probably stop getting surprised by the ineffectiveness of the NCAA

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:30 PM | NO POLITICS ON TEH (Score:0 Offtopic)
January 30th, 2012 at 2:25 PM | We need to do that for the moms (Score:1)
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They could sell beer in the parking lots for 10k an hour! Yessssss, SEC and ohio style.

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:29 PM | Saban is a smart man with great foresight (Score:3 Normal)
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He is clearly getting ready for a 2016 run at the USA presidency under the platform of being a job creator. 

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:34 PM | He'd get more % of the vote (Score:5 Normal)
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He'd get more % of the vote than Craig James is going to get in Texas.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:52 PM | The same CRAIG JAMES who (Score:1 Normal)
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The same CRAIG JAMES who KILLED FIVE HOOKERS allegedly?

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January 30th, 2012 at 7:24 PM | This is funny. And frightening. (Score:1)
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"CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS" = Funny internet meme.

"Nick Saban killed five hookers" = You might want to have a couple of investigative reporters, from outside of Alabama, look into it.

 

 

January 30th, 2012 at 2:30 PM | Saban (Score:1 Normal)
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Saban has hair plugs

the supreme head butt

January 30th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | While I don't like Saban, (Score:5 Normal)
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While I don't like Saban, this lady needs to shut the hell up and support her son.

Whatcha gonna do, little brother?

January 30th, 2012 at 2:34 PM | You should read the article. (Score:5 Normal)
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You should read the article. She clearly feels she raised her son better than to support this type of move that enticed here son to play at Alabama. I think she is right in feeling the way she does

"I find your lack of faith disturbing... This is Michigan fergodsakes"

January 30th, 2012 at 2:40 PM | Agreed (Score:3 Normal)
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Agree totally w/ Vader

January 30th, 2012 at 2:51 PM | Yeah but if you watched the (Score:2)
Coastal Elite
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Yeah but if you watched the actual video, it seemed pretty clear that she's just a hard-core GEAUX TIGERS homer whose loyalty to LSU seems to outweigh her familial bonds.

January 30th, 2012 at 3:11 PM | The ESPN article makes it (Score:1)
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The ESPN article makes it seem like she is pissed that her son has grown up to be his own man/feeling left out because she raised him. 

By all accounts he was mommy's boy growing up but after Katrina and his desire to play football at Ducktown instead of inner city NOLA she let him move in with his father and after that his father began to play a central figure in his college decisions and mom stayed home.

She really does need to STFU as the kid told her he was commiting to Alabama before he left for the UA game and he had to beg her to show up and she still pulled that "OMG I cant believe you just did that" stunt.    

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January 30th, 2012 at 3:31 PM | LSU isn't better than Alabama... (Score:1)
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...when it comes to ethics.  She's an LSU homer who needs to calm down and accept her son's decision as opposed to caring only about a game.  

If I was Les, I wouldn't want her around my program anyway.  Why put up with the threat of her going to the media if her kid wasn't getting enough playing time?  

January 30th, 2012 at 3:51 PM | Why? (Score:2)
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If all else is equal, then he's an idiot if he doesn't take the money. That's a fact.

We're not talking about the law, or even ethics, here. We're talking about mythical NCAA rules that don't even exist in this case.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:40 PM | Seems like his mom is either (Score:0 Flamebait)
January 30th, 2012 at 6:04 PM | Shut up and support her son? (Score:1)
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I agree to a point, parents need to be as supportive of their children as they can be.  But, being a parent means you need to lead your child in the right direction in life, before you support the decisions they make.

I tell my son he needs more extra curriculars, and he tells me he wants to join a gang.  It's not that I wouldn't support him if he chose the crips, when we're clearly bloods in our family.

It's that I wouldn't support .any shicester activity, like that of Nick Saban.  Nick Saban is a shicester.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:32 PM | Is this really even news (Score:2)
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Is this really even news anymore? I've heard so much dirty dealings from Saban that it all blurs into one thing now

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:37 PM | That's the danger.  We all (Score:5 Normal)
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That's the danger.  We all get numb to it and just accept it as the way things are.

Don't.

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January 30th, 2012 at 6:10 PM | Extrapolate (Score:1)
JohnCorbin
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I feel the same way about a lot of things.  U of M is a no smoking campus?!  I can't smoke on public ground outside?!  That wasn't in the rulebook when I applied to Michigan.

You can't smoke in bars anymore?!  WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!  Unamerican is what that is.

I can't buy a pack of Camel Signature blends anymore?!  WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!

I mean, I quit smoking....

BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE THE AMERICAN FREEDOM TO CHOOSE

January 30th, 2012 at 2:33 PM | (Score:1)
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how does the ncaa not feel at least a moral obligation to do something about this? i mean saban will be a great coach whether he continues these practices or not, but don't they notice that something fundamentally wrong is going on here?

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:34 PM | At this point with Saban, I'd (Score:5 Normal)
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At this point with Saban, I'd expect the title to be "Nick Saban nabs 5 star by offering HJ, BJ, and ZJ on top of Camaro with 54" rims, threat to kill a rabbit."

January 30th, 2012 at 2:35 PM | what is a ZJ? (Score:5 Normal)
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OK sorry, I had to ask.

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:40 PM | If ya have to ask Big Man (Score:5 Normal)
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Ya can't afford it

 

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:44 PM | well played sir (Score:2)
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well played sir

 

January 30th, 2012 at 4:54 PM | I'm glad someone else watches (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm glad someone else watches Beerfest every time it is on Comedy Central.

January 30th, 2012 at 7:52 PM | Pretty sure it was even on (Score:1)
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Pretty sure it was even on sunday... or maybe it was saturday

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January 30th, 2012 at 8:10 PM | Love that flick (Score:2)
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Just yesterday, I was goin through some of my original Xbox games and found in a game case. I had been looking for that shit for years. Still waiting on that sequel though.

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:34 PM | what's to stop any program (Score:3 Normal)
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what's to stop any program from offering every 5* recruits "girlfriend" a job as an "executive assistant" or "aide to the coach" for 80k a year?... Cecil Newton ad infinium? 

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January 30th, 2012 at 3:04 PM | According to the sheep, that would be "integrity" stopping them (Score:5 Normal)
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So if Brady Hoke doesn't offer jobs to the friends and family members of recruits, that means he's one of the "sheep" who's really just a loser?

Are Ohio State's opponents "sanctimonius turds" for believing that OSU obtained unfair recruiting advantages by turning a blind eye to cars, tats, and god knows what else?

Do you believe that people "get little undeserving token jobs based on who they know every single day" from UM's athletic dept., and therefore we shouldn't criticize Saban?


January 30th, 2012 at 2:36 PM | Well Lumberg f'd her (Score:1)
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Good idea Satan!

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:37 PM | Nick Saban, Job Creator. (Score:5 Normal)
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Nick Saban, Job Creator.

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:45 PM | Nick Saban is good for the (Score:-1 Normal)
January 30th, 2012 at 7:53 PM | I thought it was funny (Score:1)
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I thought it was funny

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January 30th, 2012 at 2:46 PM | I hope he's cool with his (Score:5 Normal)
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I hope he's cool with his girlfriend gettin' banged by future recruits, because that's likely her new "job."

"Welllllllll..."

January 30th, 2012 at 2:48 PM | I'd bet 2 grand on half of the money that the girlfriend (Score:3 Normal)
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earns gets split with the recruit.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

January 30th, 2012 at 2:55 PM | BRCE (speaking of turds) (Score:5 Normal)
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BRCE (speaking of turds) said...

Some of you sanctimonious turds hold this up as some great assault on integrity when in the real world - something the NCAA rarely mimmicks - people get little undeserving token jobs based on who they know every single day.

Except there aren't rules at my work place against enticing a potential employee with a job for his girlfriend.

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January 30th, 2012 at 3:04 PM | Well actually (Score:2)
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The NCAA doesn't have rules against it as well. Unless he's a basketball player. Then it's a violation. For a football player it's totally fine.

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January 30th, 2012 at 3:18 PM | My guess is that the bylaw is... (Score:3 Normal)
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...supposed to govern what's permissable in the realm of hiring HS/AAU coaches/mentors. We've seen instances where HS FB coaches have been hired as coaches/administrators by college programs to entice recruits. Whether that's kosher is debatable, but it seems clear that the wording of the bylaw has created a loophole wide enough to drive a semi through.

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January 30th, 2012 at 3:25 PM | Totally agree (Score:2)
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If there's one thing dirtier than Football recruiting it's basketball recruiting. The NCAA obviously reacted to a specific problem with this bylaw (likely the AAU circuit as you mention Shoe.) What I just don't understand is who at the NCAA decided to word it for "only basketball" players. I mean, is the thought process:

"Hey, we have this problem in basketball recruiting, let's make it a violation."

"OK, if it's bad in basketball, it's bad in all sports, right?"

"Nah, let's make sure to make the rules basketball specific"

"why?"

"because this hasn't come up in any other sports yet"

"shouldn't we stop it before some coach reads this rule and says 'I'm not a basktball coach, the NCAAA just made a loophole that I can drive all of Pryor's cars through!!!'"

"Nah. Just basketball for now"

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January 30th, 2012 at 4:25 PM | I actually think it was a conscious... (Score:2)
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...decision to limit it to basketball because the impact of HS football coaches going to the college ranks was deemed inconsequential or at least, not something that should be made impermissable. Again, I'm not making a value judgment on whether or not that makes sense, I just think that the NCAA saw abuses in basketball and had to restrict in a way that they haven't seen in other sports and rather than drawing up an overly broad bylaw, they limited it.

The real problem seems to be the absence of language that prevents the sort of ploy that Saban has made in this case. The more this gets the light of day, the more likely it is that the NCAA takes it up as a possible reform.

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January 30th, 2012 at 4:49 PM | I get what you're saying (Score:1)
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But they already took care of coaches in the current bylaw wording:

"... an institution shall not employ an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position."

I think they didn't worry about coaches moving up with recruits, because the number of coaches on a staff is already regulated. If you want to hire a HS coach to get a recruit, you're losing another coach. Hiring anyone's family/girlfriend to work in your office? totally legit. I think they covered the loophole you were (right to) worrying about, but as you mention, they left this loophole totally wide open.

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