I for one don't even get angry at this-Saban is obviously one of the hardest workers to find these loopholes to help entice top recruits.
OT - Nick Saban nabs 5 star by offering his gf a job
SEC: "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'."
Technically, Saban never actually cheats; he just finds every last loophole he can to squeeze through. He must have a great team of lawyers.
I'm obviously making a caricature of your statement, but you would have quite the ethical principle if you defaulted to:
I don't like it when people do unethical things - unless they worked hard to do them, in which case, meh, I respect that.
Was the job offer written on a cocktail napkin?
Nick wants her to be one of the "welcome to Alabama" co-eds we've been hearing about .. /s
Sadly, this does not surprise me at all. Saban has no respect for the "spirit of the law" and can find any loophole in the "letter of the law." He has put winning above everything else.
Who at the NCAA had the bright idea to write this rule.... ONLY FOR BASKETBALL RECRUITS!!
"The NCAA passed a new bylaw in 2010 pertaining specifically to men's basketball that prohibits a university from employing an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete. This bylaw, however, does not apply to college football recruits. According to NCAA bylaw 184.108.40.206:
"In men's basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete's anticipated enrollment and a two-year period after the student-athlete's actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position."
No kidding. What a joke. Although we should probably stop getting surprised by the ineffectiveness of the NCAA
NO POLITICS ON TEH BOARDZ.
They could sell beer in the parking lots for 10k an hour! Yessssss, SEC and ohio style.
He is clearly getting ready for a 2016 run at the USA presidency under the platform of being a job creator.
He'd get more % of the vote than Craig James is going to get in Texas.
The same CRAIG JAMES who KILLED FIVE HOOKERS allegedly?
"CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS" = Funny internet meme.
"Nick Saban killed five hookers" = You might want to have a couple of investigative reporters, from outside of Alabama, look into it.
Saban has hair plugs
While I don't like Saban, this lady needs to shut the hell up and support her son.
Agree totally w/ Vader
Yeah but if you watched the actual video, it seemed pretty clear that she's just a hard-core GEAUX TIGERS homer whose loyalty to LSU seems to outweigh her familial bonds.
The ESPN article makes it seem like she is pissed that her son has grown up to be his own man/feeling left out because she raised him.
By all accounts he was mommy's boy growing up but after Katrina and his desire to play football at Ducktown instead of inner city NOLA she let him move in with his father and after that his father began to play a central figure in his college decisions and mom stayed home.
She really does need to STFU as the kid told her he was commiting to Alabama before he left for the UA game and he had to beg her to show up and she still pulled that "OMG I cant believe you just did that" stunt.
...when it comes to ethics. She's an LSU homer who needs to calm down and accept her son's decision as opposed to caring only about a game.
If I was Les, I wouldn't want her around my program anyway. Why put up with the threat of her going to the media if her kid wasn't getting enough playing time?
If all else is equal, then he's an idiot if he doesn't take the money. That's a fact.
We're not talking about the law, or even ethics, here. We're talking about mythical NCAA rules that don't even exist in this case.
Seems like his mom is either determined to justify her actions when he signed, but she has to realize that she's not going to be famous (if anything, her son will be) and has no reputation to protect. She'll always be remembered from that moment, even if she was right.
Then again, it also looks like she's determined to keep the spotlight and probably won't go away during his career.
I agree to a point, parents need to be as supportive of their children as they can be. But, being a parent means you need to lead your child in the right direction in life, before you support the decisions they make.
I tell my son he needs more extra curriculars, and he tells me he wants to join a gang. It's not that I wouldn't support him if he chose the crips, when we're clearly bloods in our family.
It's that I wouldn't support .any shicester activity, like that of Nick Saban. Nick Saban is a shicester.
Is this really even news anymore? I've heard so much dirty dealings from Saban that it all blurs into one thing now
That's the danger. We all get numb to it and just accept it as the way things are.
I feel the same way about a lot of things. U of M is a no smoking campus?! I can't smoke on public ground outside?! That wasn't in the rulebook when I applied to Michigan.
You can't smoke in bars anymore?! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?! Unamerican is what that is.
I can't buy a pack of Camel Signature blends anymore?! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!
I mean, I quit smoking....
BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE THE AMERICAN FREEDOM TO CHOOSE
how does the ncaa not feel at least a moral obligation to do something about this? i mean saban will be a great coach whether he continues these practices or not, but don't they notice that something fundamentally wrong is going on here?
At this point with Saban, I'd expect the title to be "Nick Saban nabs 5 star by offering HJ, BJ, and ZJ on top of Camaro with 54" rims, threat to kill a rabbit."
OK sorry, I had to ask.
Ya can't afford it
well played sir
I'm glad someone else watches Beerfest every time it is on Comedy Central.
Pretty sure it was even on sunday... or maybe it was saturday
Just yesterday, I was goin through some of my original Xbox games and found in a game case. I had been looking for that shit for years. Still waiting on that sequel though.
what's to stop any program from offering every 5* recruits "girlfriend" a job as an "executive assistant" or "aide to the coach" for 80k a year?... Cecil Newton ad infinium?
So if Brady Hoke doesn't offer jobs to the friends and family members of recruits, that means he's one of the "sheep" who's really just a loser?
Are Ohio State's opponents "sanctimonius turds" for believing that OSU obtained unfair recruiting advantages by turning a blind eye to cars, tats, and god knows what else?
Do you believe that people "get little undeserving token jobs based on who they know every single day" from UM's athletic dept., and therefore we shouldn't criticize Saban?
Good idea Satan!
Nick Saban, Job Creator.
Nick Saban is good for the economy. Gentlemen, we found our 2012 GOP candidate
I thought it was funny
I hope he's cool with his girlfriend gettin' banged by future recruits, because that's likely her new "job."
earns gets split with the recruit.
BRCE (speaking of turds) said...
Some of you sanctimonious turds hold this up as some great assault on integrity when in the real world - something the NCAA rarely mimmicks - people get little undeserving token jobs based on who they know every single day.
Except there aren't rules at my work place against enticing a potential employee with a job for his girlfriend.
The NCAA doesn't have rules against it as well. Unless he's a basketball player. Then it's a violation. For a football player it's totally fine.
If there's one thing dirtier than Football recruiting it's basketball recruiting. The NCAA obviously reacted to a specific problem with this bylaw (likely the AAU circuit as you mention Shoe.) What I just don't understand is who at the NCAA decided to word it for "only basketball" players. I mean, is the thought process:
"Hey, we have this problem in basketball recruiting, let's make it a violation."
"OK, if it's bad in basketball, it's bad in all sports, right?"
"Nah, let's make sure to make the rules basketball specific"
"because this hasn't come up in any other sports yet"
"shouldn't we stop it before some coach reads this rule and says 'I'm not a basktball coach, the NCAAA just made a loophole that I can drive all of Pryor's cars through!!!'"
"Nah. Just basketball for now"
But they already took care of coaches in the current bylaw wording:
"... an institution shall not employ an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position."
I think they didn't worry about coaches moving up with recruits, because the number of coaches on a staff is already regulated. If you want to hire a HS coach to get a recruit, you're losing another coach. Hiring anyone's family/girlfriend to work in your office? totally legit. I think they covered the loophole you were (right to) worrying about, but as you mention, they left this loophole totally wide open.
is anyone surprised?
not surprised by anything he does.
BRCE has become quite the nihilist in these past months. Did someone shoot his dog or something?
They're nihilists, Donny. Nothing to be afraid of.
F*ck me! I mean, say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at ieast it's an ethos.
Is what did Les Miles offer that was bested by girlfriend employment? I'm thinking maybe Les Miles had offered to take Landon Collins to an MMA fight, capped off by an evening out with Billy Cannon and a bottle of moonshine while causing general mayhem(writing bad checks, opening shady dental practice) in South Eastern Louisiana.
Why are we mad at Saban? It's the NCAA that is the joke!
...and he would have committed to another cheating SEC program if it wasn't Bama. Saban just cheats the best.
The ethics of this situation(clearly dirty) aside. It's a little hard to take any of the mom's allegations seriously as it seems she's been trying to raise hell ever since her son picked Alabama(the academics story from earlier), we might want to look at this with a little more skepticism.
While fairly succesful as a college football coach, Saban clearly missed his true calling as a tax attorney.
I know some honorable tax attorneys.
It's because of bullshit like this
Wouldn't a staff position at the Univ of Alabama need to go through a competetive recruitment process? I mean, I'm sure they would still rig the recruitment, it happens all the time but they still need to post the job, screen applicants, interviews, and all that.
I am interested to see what job she is given, how much she gets paid, and what happens when they break up or if he leaves the school.
it doesn't matter if she gets paid or anything. bama owns his ability to get a scholarship at that point.
then good for him. Alabama won 2 NC's because of tactics like this.
Who would have thunk it? Hard to see how this is meaningfully different than paying someone money directly? Do they even apply the "Papa Newton" rule and say that the recruit can't know about it? I assume not, in which case, hell, just let them give him cash.
His girlfriend is hot.
I'm scared to ask what kind of job little Nicky got her.
What a ridiculous joke. Nick Saban is the snake of all snakes.
It is exactly what Ohio did with Liar being able to recruit. While it pisses you off, it is within the rules. End of discussion.
This "we take the high road" stuff sounds good, but while we are taking that high road, they are outthinking us.
The job is wiping Saban's ass with Clorox Wipes everytime he takes a shit, per Twitter.
Wait, do you guys think Saban is starting his own army and is going to eventually take over the world? If he offers enough people close to players jobs, he could not only have the best football team in the world, but his own Legion of Doom.
A better title would include "5 star's mom alleges", since she's a questionable source in this whole process.