I just heard a report on TV that Lebron is returning to Cleveland. He made a statement to Sports Illustrated.
OT-Lebron James returns to Cleveland
He most certainly is.
I thought of you when I saw the news.
never has a t-shirt made my eyes roll so hard.
i like lebron, i'm glad he has a couple of championships to his name, and i hope he never wins another one.
I know. Isn't is AWESOME? I'll be happy to pick one up for you and Shembo - what size do you need?
Look. The last time this area won ANYTHING I was exactly five years old (1964) and living in Pontiac. If my memory serves in that time span the good folks of my home state have won two World Series and appeared in four, won four Stanley Cups and appeared in six, won three NBA titles and appeared in five. That's not bad. in those 50 years a team from Detroit has either won or appeared in a final of one of the big four sports every 3.3 years and won it all about 5 years.
Cleveland has appeared in two World Series and lost both and one NBA final and got swept. That really sucks.
The Pistons will win the division this year.
Only cost you your sanity.
Did the Pistons get relegated to the DLeague?
You don't even have a hockey team (the Barons don't count), so using the Wings is a bit unfair. And hey, we've got the Lions. When it comes to the biggest sport in America, we have been boned since 1964 unlike any other, no question. That's worth a lot of negative points on any scale you wanna come up with, in my opinion.
That said, congrats. You're going to win some, no doubt. Especially if you get Love w/o giving up Irving or Wiggins. I mean, you've got arguably the best player in NBA history in his prime, plus three of the last four number one draft picks. Think of the agony if this team doesn't win, either!
Eh, it's Cleveland. They'll still screw it up.
You know what's going to happen. After 11 years in the league, LeBron's body is ready to break down. He'll have season-ending surgery by Thanksgiving, and then get crappy advice from the team doctors and trainers during rehab that will turn it into a Grant Hill situation. Cleveland can always find a way to mess up.
"home state" ( in other words, Michigan), then why aren't you including Cincinnati along with Cleveland in your tally of World Championship appearances and championships and only then adding things up for the state of Ohio?
Being that Cleveland is part of Ohio, I shed no tears for the inhabitants of that sad s***hole of a state. May Cleveland, Cinci, and Columbus (especially OSU) never win any title in anything ever again!
Please don't buy one of those.
I never thought he would go back. He is a bigger man than most people give him credit for; not many would return after "the letter" and all that happened.
Wishing him the best of luck and I'm on to find a new favorite team (can't pull for cLEAVEland)
Anyone know good players in Sac Town or Utah?
this is huge for his PR/ endorsement machine. Hometwon hero returning home. His only other option would have been to stay with the Heat, but then they would have had to dump Wade.
It's LeBron's best PR and best chance of winning again (Irving and Wiggins).
Yes, because PR and endorsements are all that people we don't like care about.
You know what would be even better for PR and endorsements? New York or Los Angeles.
Maybe, just maybe Lebron actually cares about he place he came from. Like those of us who are Michigan ex-pats still care about our home state. Maybe there is a reason a man who is rich enough to live anywhere in the world still spends his summers in the Akron area.
Maybe he's not such a bad guy.
Its really hard to believe he's coming back for the love of Cleveland, when his return coincides with Cleveland being absolutely stacked with commodities.
If they didn't luck into the first pick, the talk about trading for Love isn't happening, and Lebron probably isn't going back.
There are lots of teams stacked with commodities. Cleveland is one, but they've also squandered a fair amount of opportunity as well. Houston is loaded, has max money to throw at Bosh, and would take LBJ at the drop of a hat. Why not them?
No doubt the ability to win played a role. But if that and publicity were the only factor he would go somewhere else.
Cleveland is a better opportunity to win 6+ titles than Houston. Wiggins is a freak, and has a chance to be better than Harden for sure. Howard is already in decline. Meanwhile, the Cavs might add Love while keeping Wiggins. And frankly, I'd already take Irving for the rest of his career than Harden. This team is more set up for the next 5+ years easy, moreso than any other team with cap-space in the NBA.
The fact that he gets to play the "back home" angle, and show that he's a bigger person than Dan Gilbert, is all just icing on the cake, and will be great for marketing. But this is the decision that gives him the best chance of all to win 6 or more titles, which you know is really his goal.
Errr isn't that every sports players goal? You know.. Win it all?
Luck into it .... LMFAO. You contradict yourself, my friend.
Cleveland only had a 1.7% chance of winning the lottery this year. So yes, they did luck into that pick.
performing poorly to being lucky. Chance really didn't have anything to do w/ their having been the worst team in the league since James departure.
There were 8 teams that were worse than the Cavs. There were 8 teams that had better odds to win the lottery. Winning the lottery from the 9 spot is due to either luck or a conspiracy. Take your pick for which one you think it was. Most people who don't wear tin foil on their heads would call it luck.
now go get Kevin Love
mGrowOld: *Googles how to unburn a jersey*
I still don't think he will win a title with the Cavs
Great. Good for you Cleveland. Wow, the GOP convention and The Return all in the same week.
Now, can we PLEASE stop talking about this? I'm sure ESPN was hoping this would go on all summer. There must be people jumping off the roof of their building.
You do realize this doesn't help Michigan right? Lebron is a Buckeye fan and returning to Ohio means it's more likely the close proximity may facilitate his impact on their MBB and even football recruiting... Not cool.
Yes, because if I'm looking for advice on a college, I'm totally asking a guy who never attended.
You're woefully unaware if you don't think Lebron visiting isn't great publicity for recruiting.
LeBron loved them when he was a Miami player too. It's not going to matter. Beilein's going to do his thing.
Wait, who dragged Beilein into this? I'm saying Lebron's visits are a useful recruiting tool, because they are.
Doesn't mean Hoke and Beilein will miss on players.
You didn't even read the post I responded to?
You have to be kidding yourself to think Lebron's occasional presence on the sidelines and in locker rooms with recruits won't have a big impact... The problem is Urbz is recruiting so well right now it'll be hard to discern the impact regardless.
Coming in as the Lions TE would have been as rewarding, Championship wise.
"Returns to the Mistake on the Lake" or "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King" I am fond of as a headline
At least it's on a lake, that's more than Detroit has going for it.
Yeah, it's a brutal 20-foot walk from the Detroit city limits to Lake St. Clair.
LeBron is a terrible tipper. For a millionaire, that's enough information for me to dislike him as a person.
Where did you hear that?
I'm an overtipper pretty much regardless of quality of service, which probably isn't a great policy, but having waited tables back in the day, I understand that service staff get shafted a lot by knuckleheads.
Same applies Im sure for bell hops, cab drivers, whatever. Some people just don't tip, for whatever reason.
The common story was that he left 10 on an 800 dollar bill at a steakhouse, but Espn radio reported a separate incident in which he was confronted by a manager defending his employees because of a similar situation. I can also relay a couple of secondhand accounts because a girl that worked at a bar I managed had been dating a cavalier player while he was there the first time.
I remember hearing about Elway saying or writing something like "get a real job" to a server when they racked up a several thousand dollar tab at a restaurant. My opinion of him changed immediately. I liked Elway as a kid, but there's nothing like ignorant rich people talking down to poor/middle-class people to get you annoyed in the morning
is pretty good in my book.
So, is Cleveland getting Kevin Love also? Because if not, Lebron isn't seeing the finals again anytime soon.
The East is like the BIG and the West is like the SEC. He may see them very soon.
They probably have to give up Wiggins to get Love right?
Woah, time for some make-up sex, Dan Gilbert.
In all honesty he has a much better shot at winning a championship in Cleveland than in Miami at this point.
People keep saying this, but I just don't get it. It's one thing if they start making trades and, but I have yet to see a convincing argument regarding why Cleveland's current "supporting cast" would be better than Miami's supporting cast. The only points that get brought up routinely are "youth" and "the future." Chris Bosh was better than anyone on Cleveland's roster last season and Dwayne Wade's numbers weren't actually that far off Kyrie Irving's numbers - Irving has been far from the top notch player many believe he has been. If Wiggins is good, you have an argument, but again, even if he turns out, it could be 3 years down the line before he's a good to great starter - and that's only if he turns out. In fact, if you just do raw win share numbers, Miami's roster last season (minus LeBron) would have won 5 more games than Cleveland's current roster.
On top of this, in case people forgot, LeBron will be 30 by next year's Playoffs. Not saying he is not or won't be good when that time arrives, but I think people need to realize that some of his best days may already be behind him and we may actually start to see some regression in the next few seasons. Again, not yet, but unless LeBron defies all aging trends, he probably will reach Kobe's level before some of this "youth" reaches its potential.
Dwayne Wade played in 54 games during the regular season last year, and played rested every time he touched the court. Even with that much rest, he was basically toast by the end of the Conference Finals. In the Finals, I, a 6 foot flat 28 year old who's 40 pounds over weight and last played competitive basketball in the 5th grade would have been better on defense than he was.
Statistically, if you remove Lebron, the 2007 Cavs had a better team than last year's Heat during the Finals and it wasn't going to get better.
Statisically, Dwayne Wade wasn't even the Heat's second best player last year (excluding LeBron), that was Chris Anderson, who had 6.0 win shares. If Anderson had been on Cleveland's roster, he would have also been second. Bosh had 1.3 more win shares than anybody on Cleveland's roster.
Wade only had 5.5, but he was also far more efficent than Irving. If you combine Miami and Cleveland's rosters from last season (exclude LeBron), Miami had 5 of the top 8 in win shares including #1 in Chris Bosh. Remember, this is all with a starter and the team's best player excluded. LeBron is going to help some other guy's numbers on Cleveland's team, but he's also going to decrease other totals because he's going to take up a ton of minutes.
Also, I do find it a bit funny you rip on a guy for playing "badly" in the NBA Finals. Irving has never even made the NBA Playoffs, despite the team being in a historically bad East. Plus, not sure how the 2007 Cavs are relevant. Miami's surrounding cast wasn't great, but my point here is that Cleveland's is actually worse.
Miami's surrounding cast wasn't great, but my point here is that Cleveland's is actually worse.
The numbers disagree with you.
So, what you're telling me is that 54 wins don't make a championship contender, but projections right now have Cleveland at ... 55 wins. 55 wins would be exactly 1 more win than Miami had last season. That also assumes Miami would not have done anything to get better, which I think we already saw was not true.
Cleveland has so much to work with. Wiggins, Bennet and 2 first round draft picks. One of which should be quite good since Miami doesn't look to be very good next year.
(Read earlier comment). If Cleveland works out some trades to bring in different guys, then I completely withdraw my statement. My point is that the positive outlooks are based far more on potential than things we have seen on the court. My point above was that I think LeBron's window is shorter than many want to believe and that the way the team is right now, I don't think the situation is better or would have been better.
The Heat has exactly 3 players under contract. You can't say the Cavs have to stay as is and the Heat are allowed to improve. As I stated earlier, your original post is a giant contradiction. You can't say that LeBron is getting old and than try to point out Wade and Bosh as being great assets. Wade is 32 going 40.
LeBron's Window only grows by joining the Cavs. The youth of that team can eat up minutes. He goes from being one of the youngest contributing players on the team to one of the oldest contributing players on the team. That is a good thing.
You're not looking at this right. Going forward, Cleveland will be better than Miami. Lebron just traded in a super old team for a super young team with a lot of promising talent. He's going to go from playing with guys who need to watch their minutes to guys who can play 40 a night, no sweat. While initially he may have to carry the load, in the next 2-3 years, he'll be much better off than if he were hitched to two older stars like Wade and Bosh, who would be clogging up cap room well into their mid-thirties.
Meanwhile, even if they don't get Kevin Love, who in the East is better than Cleveland right now, especially if Bosh goes to Houston? The Bulls with an 80% Rose? New York? Brooklyn? The only team that might be is Indiana and after what we saw this year, I highly doubt it.
You're bringing up the same point I brought up before though. "Going forward" is one thing, but it's pure speculation. Generally, a team with a younger base of talent will be better in the long-term, but we can't guarantee that's true. We also don't know how long it would/will take for Cleveland to be better. Maybe it takes them 2 years to turn that talent to the next level. For all we know, LeBron has dropped off a good portion by then (he would be 32). On top of that, if this talent starts developing, all of this "cap space" is going to be gone before you know it, then you're right where Miami is now. This also assumes a pretty quick improvement curve.
The other side of this is that it assumes that Miami does nothing to get better and just sits stagnant. They just signed two free agents this offseason (both upgrades IMO) and who knows what they would have done if the Big 3 restructured deals. I think Napier's going to be a complete bust, but again, we can't say that for certain now. We've seen picks work out both ways, so we don't know. Plus, in 2-3 years, maybe Miami trades for someone else or does find a good Draft pick. My point here isn't that Cleveland shouldn't improve (they should), but it just assumes away any potential for Miami to improve and the current situation.
Finally, Cleveland should be the best team in the East. I don't deny that, but that wasn't Miami's problem. They only lost two Playoff series and they were both in the Finals. Last year, the Spurs completely destroyed them. Maybe that means it's time to shake things up, but I don't see how that changes his situation. Miami probably still wins the East if he comes back.
Contention engulfes yourmind, it seems. I see validity in your counterargument, but I would guess the original/overall point trying to be made here is that it was prudent of Lebron to return home for various reasons; some obviously more important to him than others.
Think you are completely right about that. Definitely more happening than just the stuff on the court. Just wanted to throw the other side of things out there.
First you point out that Bosh and Wade aren't that far off or are better than Irving. Then you post about how LeBron is 30 and his best days may be behind him.
If LeBron's best days are behind him, than Wade needs to retire last year. Your post answers your own question. Irving is only going to get better, especially with James on his team. Bosh and Wade are already on the decline. One would expect the gap between Wade and Irving to increase while Irving will probably surpass Bosh in WS this year.
Also you have to consider than Cleveland has much more room to work with and more pieces available to trade to improve their roster. Minnesota knows Love is not coming back. Wiggins is easily the best offer they could get. Now look at a team of Iving, James and Love.
If you really sit down and look at it, it wasn't even close.
How exactly is that a contradiction? I said that Bosh is better than anyone on Cleveland's team, said that both Anderson and Wade aren't far off from Irving, and then brought up LeBron's age. My point is that I believe he should want to be on the best team possible right now, not in 3 or 5 years, but now, when his chance to win it all is at its peak. Cleveland's roster (at best) is about where Miami's was last season, which was a long way from winning it, all considering how badly the Heat were demolished in the Finals. They weren't even the #1 seed in the East. I understand the argument that they can carry him more when he gets older, but that ignores his option to go to Cleveland in 2-3 years too.
Also, I would be amazed if Irving passes Bosh in win shares this year. He's 1.3 back, so he would have to show roughly 20% improvement from last season. With a boatload less possessions (28.2% usage - highest on Cavaliers) with the addition of LeBron, I just don't see that happening. His efficiency should improve, but he also rated #100 overall in win shares per 48, so that's not saying a ton. Maybe Bosh drops off some, but I think people have overvalued Irving a lot.
A final note, my original comment said that if they traded, we would be talking about something completely different. If that's the plan, ok, but with the current roster, I think Miami would have been the better situation.
Bosh isn't on the Miami roster at this point. Neither is Wade.
If you are going to sit and talk about what is likely to happen then you have to accept that Love is likely going to get traded to the Cavs. You should have known this before you posted. It came out yesterday that Cleveland all but had a deal in place to land Love if LeBron signed with them.
Again you can't make exceptions to make your argument better. The Heat currently have McRoberts, Granger, and Cole. LeBron isn't winning anything with those 3.
You keep saying that everyone is assuming the future. You have done the same assuming that Bosh and Wade were going to return to the Heat if LeBron did that.
at Dicks right now buying new ones
are Dicks right now buying new ones.
come out with a new album now. Cleveland is the city where we come from so run run run
Pretty sure one of them is in prison for quite a while yet.
We'd have to get new ones anyways. He's #6 now.
Didn't the Heat just draft the college guy that James liked/wanted and sign a decent big man and Danny Granger? Riley's probably pissed although I'm sure he knew what was coming.
I don't think he knew it was coming. I think he assumed they would all come back and take a pay cut.
Also nobody knew that the market would blow up for these 2nd tier free agents.
how long til Manziel and Lebron are in the same club together with a photo all over TMZ?????
So THAT IS WHY Cleveland drafted Manziel!. It worked!!
and talking with him about the pitfalls of celebrity might be the best thing for Manziel
I don't think LBJ does many clubs these days, but I could be wrong.
Probably after the World Cup since Lebron is flying to Brazil today.
Cleveland is about to be the L.A. of the midwest, except with lots of Walmarts and stripmalls and fat people.
ESPN must be annoyed they have to reference SI breaking the story. While the suspense was fun, I'm more curious to see where all the other dominoes fall now. Congrats Cleveland
I guess Chris Broussard's two phones he's been carrying around didn't help any.
In a related story, a south Florida artist released this rendition of the seats at American Airlines Arena this coming season...
FWIW I just bought Cavs tickets. I had season tickets from 1993-2011. I just re-upped!
It's gon' break.
Yeah, well, I can buy Pistons tickets for $5 at the gate.
Hospitals in South Florida are overwhelmed with new patients today complaining of sprained ankles, broken legs, torn ACLs, and other leg injuries as thousands of people today chose to leap off the Miami Heat's bandwagon at once"
Well the stones have SVG, so ha!
People in Ohio being happy is pretty much never a good thing. Seeing the reaction in Cleveland had he returned to Miami would'be been priceless. Oh well.
there would have been no reaction. Most of the people understood that Lebron had done nothing to string us along this time, and we were all in it at our own risk. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me sort of thing. now of course, there are always a few knuckleheads, but the majority of fans fell into the hysteria with their eyes wide open. The backlash would have bee no where near 2010.
Well we will never know now, but I'm going to disagree that there wouldn't have been much reaction.
I love it. Love the SI essay. Prodigal son comes home to try to give his bleeding city something its never had. Guy has his priorities straight. I take back any bad things I've said about him. I'll be rooting for LeBron and the Cavs.
I'm not a fan of Cleveland and was (am?) a bandwagon Lebron hater. If he went to another team outside of Miami or Cleveland, his legacy would have been that of a hired gun. Him "coming home" is an awesome way for him to secure his story, plus puts some SERIOUS egg on Dan Gilbert's face.
The prodigal son returns. Kinda cool.
LeBron was respected but he never received the " love." If he goes back to E.99 and wins a title he will be on the NBA Mt. Rushmore in my eyes. He still isn't clutch but I do have a bit more respect for him.
Sigh. Once again a famous athlete sets a terrible example for our youth. Voluntarily moving to Ohio?! What kind of example is that for the kids? I always hope to expect better from those our kids idolize. voluntarily
Voluntarily moving there out of ignorance can be forgiven. But living there, moving away, and then voluntarily moving BACK? That's no peccadillo.
I will actually give him mad props if he wins a title in Cleveland.
"wins a title in Cleveland"
does not compute
DIV BY ZERO
The state of Ohio just got less shitty. Damn it.
No, no, no. The only way that's possible is if a UM grad has to move to/live in/work in Ohio. In this case, LeBron just got more shitty. Actually, after he left Ohio, he was pretty great.
Cleveland is the center of the sporting universe? Lebron back to Cavs...Johnny Football to Browns.
No Cavaliers fan has a right to complain about anything for the next 20 years.
They do still have to live in Ohio.
to watch the Pacers beat them in the playoffs next year.
LeBron's face when he returns.
No. No they won't
Why's he going back? If he couldn't win in Miami what's changed in Cleveland? What a flip-flopping loser. He couldn't carry the jock-strap of the likes Michael, Magic, Bird or Isiah.
Ummm...How does Isaiah fit in that group?!
He got two rings in Miami and the other two years made it to the finals. I would consider that "winning" while he was in Miami.
Thank You for some sense. Like him or hate him (or don't really care much like me), he was very successful in Miami.
Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6.......
I think it's the gamble of youth and, hopefully, depth. The problem with the Big Three is that they have to pay all those stars huge amounts of money which means less quality depth, and has been well documented, more minutes/wear and tear on the ageing Big Three. Wade and Bosh were barely useful by the end of the season. After seeing the Spurs dismantle them with depth, it has to be a draw for an aging LeBron to walk into a situation where he's the veteran surrounded with some potential great youth and depth around him. Cleveland will have now, what, 4 first overall picks on that team? If the youth develops, in conjunction with what LeBron can provide, I can see it being an alluring prospect to win some Championships where he won't have to do everything. But it is a gamble. There is no gaurentee any of that youth develops, or other good role/depth players are aquired.
He's much better than Magic and Bird. Comparing him to Isiah Thomas is just ridiculous.
Uh, no. Congrats, you won "Most Uninformed Opinion of the Year" award.
Look at the stats.
...in his career...is ridiculous. How old are you 10?
By much better I mean there is no comparison. There's really no argument you could make that Magic or Bird were better by age 30. You could bring up titles but the league was different in the 80's.
I agree. The league was completely different in the 80s. There is no way to compare the two. That's why it is so easy to say Lebron is much better than Magic and Bird. Wait, what?
Bird, Jordan, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Thomas, Barkly, Drexler, Olajuwon, etc.
Couldn't win in Miami?! He's won two championships and went to four straight finals (something that only two other teams have ever done). If a Michigan player had accomplished that in any of our major sports we would hail him as the greatest Wolverine ever. The notion that he isn't clutch is absurd. He's had some of the best elimination games in NBA history. How can you hate a guy for returning home to bring a championship to a city that hasn't seen one in 50 years?
my Even LeBron hates Ohio t-shirt?
"I was hating Ohio back when LeBron was too"
I'm a lifelong Michigan fan who has lived in Ohio for my entire life. I'm a Cavs fan and obviously this is a huge deal. Probable dynasty over the next few years with this roster and leeway to add more pieces in the next 1-2 years. Let's agree on one thing: People on here would have a different tune if this was the Pistons. LeBron is a dominant force.
Yes, he has mad skills on the court. But I lost all respect for him when he & Terrell Pryor started backing eachother up
shows that he is maturing...realized how dumb he acted 4 years ago.
How many newspaper headlines will read exactly that?
Um...all of them?
Marc Stein in reporting that the Cavs are now in negotiations with the T-Wolves to get Kevin Love and that Love WILL sign a long-term deal with Cleveland.
If that happens I like out "big three" better than Miami's.
Plasters a new banner with that tag line?
This one just hit the streets around here....
So glad I found this on MGoBlog because I know this won't be on ESPN.
This reminds me of the old Seinfeld joke about rooting for laundry. The guy is just changing jerseys. How anyone can have any loyalty to a professional sports team is beyond me.
There's the rub. I have loyalty to the sports TEAM. How anyone can have loyalty to an individual player is what I don't get. If Scherzer leaves the Tigers, I'll still be a Tiger fan, but I won't care how Scherzer is fairing with his new team.
The "team" is just a collection of guys who will wear your jersey if you pay them more than anyone else.
I know, college sports are so pure. The players actually care about the school they go to and don't just want to play for a big name multimillionaire coach who can prepare them for the pros.
Well that's exactly why I'm becoming less interested in college sports too.
So you don't understand professional sports? What's your point?
The trick is to realize it's just sports.
If it's tied to your self worth, or makes you lament the current state of humanity, or pine for the "good ol' days" to the point of making you morose, you are doing it wrong.
The way it was in the old days was wrong and shitty. Players weren't "loyal" so much as they were controlled by the owners who wielded nearly unlimited power and ruled with an iron fist.
There is more parity now for the fans. Everything is better for the players. They used to be getting paid dog shit compared to what they were actually worth. Now they're getting fairly compensated for the gobs and gobs of revenue they generate for their leagues.
The pst of only better if you ignore everything that's better about today and ignore everything that was wrong about the way we used to do things.
Now we know why you are an enormous douchebag.
Eric in Dayton is an Ohioian. Not to mention Beniot Balls and even Space Coyote.
Statements like this leave nothing to the imagination about you.
So you downvote posts about the World Cup and Tour de France, but upvote a post about LeBron James? Apparently you feel that only your interests should be displayed on this site. I'm with Salvatore - you're a giant, flapping douchebag.
Cosigned. Guy is absolutely unaware of his surroundings.
Olympic level ass-hat, right here.
...but if Cleveland can forgive Lebron and Lebron can forgive Dan Gilbert...all hope is not lost for you!
I've never understood how this is supposed to be an insult. I fuck myself on a very regular basis and would gladly accept your invitation.
don't care for it. IMO, the Cavs roster outside of LBJ is overrated. Kyrie is good but not top tier PG that many make him out to be. Waiter is a ball hog and isn't a good shooter. Thompson is meh to me. Bennett is lol to me.
No effin way man. After the way the fans and owner reacted to him leaving? So crazy
What is poor Brian Windhorst going to do now? Go back to where he came from? Does he (or anyone else) know where that might be? And what is the WWL going to do to fill up that first half hour of SportsCenter?
If I were from Cleveland, I'd set Lake Erie on fire and tell Lebron to go jump in it.
(Either that, or I'd have less self-respect in general...)
if he wants to be remembered as an all-time great, like top-5, the way to do it is to come back home and win titles in Cleveland. He thought he would get respect by winning titles in Miami but he realizes now that it doesn't quite work that way. People don't respect the way he did it--running away from Cleveland and engineering a good situation in a place that held no connection to him at all. That isn't how superstars are supposed to win titles. They are supposed to be the center of gravity. They aren't supposed to go looking for the easiest path to the ring.
So now he can repair his image AND build his legacy. Maybe it won't happen. But I don't think there was any other place it was going to happen but Cleveland.
Agreed. Phenomenal PR move for him, though I buy his claim that it is about more than just that. This makes him an unequivocal good guy again, in my opinion. Great sports drama.
Huh? He went from a team that was old with few options to get better, one that had a year left to make a run then was going to be in serious trouble... To a very talented young team that can contend for another 5-6 yrs with a few moves. This is him as a good guy? Oh, and he left yet another team in shambles, and screwed the guy who gave up the most to bring him to Miami... Wade. Yup. Unequivocal good guy there.
Lebron only what was best for Lebron. No one else. I won't fault him for that but it doesn't make him a good guy. Sports fan can just be ridiculous sometimes, want to believe so bad.
You think if he stayed in Cleveland before they would have Irving? No way, they wouldn't have all the top picks they have now. I feel like he's done the right thing but Cleveland is def better than when he was there before.
Took some balls and in my opinion it was the right move. Good luck to the King.
WOOOOOOOOOO I think Cleveland's championship drought's future is in some serious doubt now. And the Cavs already offered for Love. Worst to First for the Cavs after being the worst team in the NBA for the last 4 years
are not making it out of the East.
You must have a lot of faith in Derrick Rose's return to MVP form because Melo isn't changing shit without that happening.
No team with Carmelo Anthony on it will ever make the finals.
Melo will never sniff a championship. He style of play is perfect for New York, and I couldn't be happier that he will likely be staying there to make the Knicks a consistent 4 or 5 seed in the East. I'll take LeBron and the Cavs over anything Melo is on, thank you.
Think the pressure on David Blatt just got ratched it up a notch or two.
Hey David - welcome to the NBA coaching ranks. I'm sure the transition from the Israeli league to the NBA will be seemless and we'll give you all the time you need to get acclamated.
We were thinking like three or four games. Mkay?
I don't feel like the coach even makes much of a difference on a team built with money. Does anyone really look at Erik Spoelstra and say "Wow what a great coach". No, I think "Wow, what a great babysitter who watched a lot of really great basketball players basketball". I probably could've coached the Heat the last few years
Spoken like one who doesn't watch basketball. Spoelstra did wonders.
We will find out how wonderful of a coach he is next year.
I'll believe he's of any worth when he does something notable without a 'Big 3'
No it still goes to Cleveland.
Cause we HAVE Miami's next year thank you very much. LeBron's departure was actually a sign & trade and it's next year's pick.
This truly is Christmas in July.
Miami pick next two years is top 10 protected
That is the most Ohio thing ever. Other than going crazy over James returning after burning his jersey a few short years ago.
Wiggins may be in play for Love. Link.
This quote was funny:
One has to wonder what James' preference is. He obviously knows how great Love is, and has played with him on Team USA. He's also known Wiggins since he was a high schooler.
So, he's known Wiggins for a year? I'm sure he's deeply attached.
So Lebron finishes with only two championships.
Bron knew he was leaving and let D. Wade opt out of his 20 mil deal. Wade will never see another 20 mil/year contract again.
So its LeBron's fault that Wade will get paid what he's worth?
If I have info that will keep 12-16 mil in your pocket, why wouldn't I tell you?
Fairly certain LeBron didn't know what he was going to do it else he would have told Wade then.
Lebron saw that the Heat were on the decline. After the Spurs tapped that ass, I think, operation exit strategy was in full effect.
I can just imagine LeBron hanging around Ohio State, and I don't want recruits thinking Ohio is the place to be. Nevertheless, the return home/happy ending is nice.
So how is Dan Gilbert going to explain this after that delicious Comic Sans bit o' fun he posted when LeBron left?
Not sure if you actually wanted an answer.
He is a CEO. He'll just claim that he is a genius, get in his limbo and have someone drive him away.
But based on what he just pulled off, somebody's a genius over there.
I put down a $100 deposit for a partial season ticket plan about 10 minutes after the announcement. In the four hours since then the Cavs have raised the amount you have to put down to $200 to hold a place in line.
Phone lines for tickets are jammed and there's a crowd around Quicken Arena yelling, chanting and generally going nuts.
What a difference a day (and LeBron's second decision) makes.
You sure spend a lot of time on this board posting about your buying (or not buying) season tickets for various sports teams.
Everybody needs a hobby.
As a Rockets fan I love this move! Bosh will sign with us and our starting five is loaded.
Bosh, Howard, Parsons, Harden, Beverly (4,5,3,2,1)
With Lin going to Lakers you can keep Parsons too.
Was re signing with Miami. That Houston team that never happened would have been sweet. Sorry dude would've like to have seen that
I always thought the criticism of Lebron going to Miami was unfair and just plain dumb from Cleveland fans (excluding the announcement that obnoxious coming out party with Dwade and CB). Understand it was magical for Cleveland to win the lottery pick which selected him and it'd be a cute story if he played in Cleveland forever. But is every pro basketball player expected to play for the team closested to where they grew up? Apparently only Lebron is. Like in any other job or profession you weigh your options and pursue the best opportunity. At that time, Lebron would have been stupid to pass up the opportunity to play with other elite players immediately. It's his career.
I think bc he started in his hometown he was expected to stay forever. Had he been drafted by anyone else that expectation would never have been placed on him.
Lebron you are such a pussy. You go back to a place that disrespected you like that ? Lost all respect for your bitch ass.
White Kid From Catholic School
I'm not white nor did I go to catholic school. I'm not really sure what your point was anyway ? As if a white catholic couldn't share my opinion ? You sir are racist.
He disrespected the city and franchise too. It was an ugly thing that happened 4 years ago.
Can it not be a story of a city scorned that forgave and of a player scorned that forgave and returned home to solidify his legacy? Instead it has to be bitch ass dude is a pussy?
Lebron is better than Cleveland. It seemed like he realized that 4 years ago. I guess he isn't the alpha male he pretends to be since he has fallen under the pressure to return.
This. This. This. x 100.
D. Wade. 1:00
Motherfucka, What the fuck?
We outchea! ✌️✌️
Delonte West. 1:00
Me and your mom will pick you up at 6.
That's freaking perfect. Actually am laughing out loud.
I see you stole this from online.
How about borrowed?
Edit: The muthafucka, what the fuck was all me though.
The fact that the Cavs got the number one pick AGAIN makes me wonder if f some people knew something a while back.
Oh yeah the NBA is definitely going to make sure the Cavs get stacked as opposed to the Celtics or the Lakers or even the Knicks. Yup, definitely the NBA can't thrive without the Cavs
You don't think the NBA makes money on it's best player? Regardless of where he goes? People all over the world will be buying Cavs jerseys.
Lebron and Gilbert. 2 Asshats that deserve each other.
Lebron James is quickly solidifying his position as one of the most influential athletes of all time. He’s an ambassador to the world’s greatest game. He’s a rock solid citizen, class act, family man, hall of famer, entrepenuer, mogul, etc. What an inspiration to witness this living legend's career.
He's one of the greatest basketball players ever but all this entrepeneur, mogul, rock solid citizen, etc. doesn't strike me as things LeBron is particularly noteworthy for
I guess that's something noteable.
World's greatest game?
IMO, i think that distinction belongs to football and soccer.
Football is the "world's greatest game" if by "world" you mean "The United States" because no one really cares outside the US. Basketball is far more popular around the world than football. The NBA has something like 450 million fans in China, which is probably more fans than the NFL has period. I also remember reading that amongst teenagers around the world, basketball is now their favorite sport, surpassing soccer.
Doesn't the NHL garner higher ratings?
The NBA absolutely smashes the NHL in ratings.
I can't remember the last time I watched an NBA game. I swore off the NBA after the stones were boned by Shaq and the heat in the eastern conference finals. I saw game 3 from the rafters at the palace.
If the Cavs get Love, I think they will be the favorites in the East, regardless of where Melo goes. I'm still not sure it's enough to beat the Spurs who I think will have the same roster.
I think he just knows he's a worse dancer than Mark Madsen.
Pretty sure he's just the only one in that group who can't dance.
What the hell is James Harden holding there?
I think it's some kind of sex doll.
There are plenty of UM fans in the Cleveland area, and many people in Cleveland are also pulling for a comeback in Detroit economically as well because we both know what if feels like to be crapped on by the national press. His letter about returning home to an area where things need to be earned applies equally to Detroit and northern Ohio. This is very good news for downtown Cleveland and the bars, restaurants and hotels, to say nothing of the fortunes of the basketball team.
I can't stand speculation and refuse to engage in it. By the way, John Harbaugh sold his home in Baltimore, which probably mean he's getting ready to be our coach in 2015....
The blind LBJ hate always is useful if you're in need of a laugh.
It's not blind, there is plenty of reason to like or dislike the guy.
There really isn't. Pretty much all of the LeBron hte is stupid and totally unjustified,
He is, by all accounts, a good person.
He's a family man who married his high school sweetheart and has several children with her.
All of his teammates love him.
Despite being the best basketball player on the planet for almost decade, he has never been the highest paid player on his team.
He has done something everyone wishes and hopes their favorite athletes would do, in today's day and age. He sacrificed a great deal of money to put the team first and built a championship team in Miami.
He is extremely charitable in his personal life.
As far as I can tell, the only reasons to him him are, The Decision, which he has apologized for and now has come back to Cleveland. I understand why Cleveland fns were so butthurt about it, but the rest of the world needs to get over it. There is also a singular anecdote from someone's brother's sister's uncles cousin's aunt that he doesn't tip particularly well, which turned out to be complete bullshit.
The other reason to hate him is "ESPN," which isn't a reason to hate him at all.
I'm one to agree that the hate toward Lebron is excessive, but a guy can still be disliked for a variety of reasons and still not make him a monster. Yes, he married his HS girlfriend, but lots of people get married, and just because he potentially found his life partner earlier in age than others isn't some character bonus, unless you believe "timing" is something he can control. He didn't take "that" much less in Miami, and he took basically the max salary possible as a FA at the time. Yes he could have demanded a bit more in a sign-and-trade, but to my knowledge he still signed for near-max money. And the fact he is charitable, while commendable, is true for many NBA players - most of them just don't talk about it.
People dislike Lebron because for all his greatness he still doesn't live up to their ideals - he has struggled in the playoffs more times than they (think) other stars have, he can appear aloof and mercenary especially before he left Miami, and the Decision really drove people mad.
People are stupid, and you also didn't really provide any reasons to hate him.
He hasn't lived up to other people's ideals? He's already one of the 10 greatest players of all time and he still has yet to turn 30. In 11 seasons his list of accomplishments stacks up with just about anyone else in NBA history. He's won 4 MVPs, made 10 All NBA Teams (8 1st - 2 2nd), 10 All Star Teams (2 MVPs), 6 All Defense Teams (5 1st - 1 2nd), 2 Olympic Gold Medals, has appeared in 5 NBA Finals and has won 2 championships with 2 Finals MVPs. He has put up offensive efficiency numbers as a whole that are only comparable to Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. He already has more win shares than Magic Johnson and Larry Bird.
Aloof? He's one of the most personable people in the legue and widely acknowledged as one of the NBA's best temmates.
As I said, people are stupid.
So all of those metrics is supposed to make me like him....no thank you. I couldn't care if he found a vaccine for HIV and cleared gridlock in congress.
Professor X being a dummy and failing to comprehend a simple point? Color me not shocked at all what so ever.
No one is saying you have to like him. Just recognize most of the hate he gets is ridiculous. It's not based in anything LeBron has actually done to deserve all of the vitriol that gets thrown his way.
I got your point the entire time. Thanks for the insults BTW (typical mgoblog immaturity). I have HUGE problem with people telling me what I SHOULD believe or not. I will look at the data and metrics myself and come to my own conclusion. The Fox News'ing and ESPN'ing of America is a major problem in our society. Too few in our country use the 6lb muscle between their ears.
Immaturity. Is that why you've been sent to Bolivia a number of times for being one of the most toxic members of the board? Your complete and utter lack of self awareness never ceases to amaze.
"Typical MGoBlog immaturity."
I know, right?
He provided several reasons - they're just irrational and illogical reasons.
...but if you're looking for rational reasons for hate, you'll be looking a long time. Hate is by its nature irrational.
Looking for logically supportable reasons for hate is like searching for pixies under your sink.
I guess I HAVE to like Lebron because YOU said so. So that settles that issue.
Yeah. That's exactly what I said. Dummy.
I know, but that is the tone of your message to anyone criticising dear ol Lebron.
...him a little less.
the move actually makes me hate him less as well, but hate ESPN and our mass media culture more.
The only tone exists inside your head.
right... I guess I will take you at your word Sir Knight of the Internet...
Hey, look. Professor X not understanding something again! What a shocker.
My "benighted knight" quote is based off of something Brian Cook said when he banned Chitownblue and a number of posters.
I don't actually fancy myself a knight of the internet, but I can understand how someone of your...capacity...would fail to understand sarcsm.
Cute new signture, BTW. Not at all embarrassing for you...
He was never the highest paid player in Cleveland? I find that hard to believe, who would have made more?
Shaq made more if I remember correctly.
Cavs need to go back to orange and blue uniforms.
I'm sure Cleveland fans won't be insufferable and smug about their previous "hatred" of Lebron and point out how they "definitely" weren't the negative ones when he left.
I don't see how Cleveland is appreciably better than Miami save for Wiggins possible being a major improvement defensively. But it is still a team that is going to rely on Lebron to carry them offensively most nights, and I don't see them winning the championship without a couple of major pieces.
If they trade for Love, they are going to win the East (they might anyway). They might not win the championship but Miami wasn't good enough to win it if they brought the Big 3 back anyway. The new Big 3 of Love, James, and Irving is younger and has more future upside than Miami's Big 3. Cleveland also has some other young talent and a stock of draft picks. At worst, this Cleveland team loses in the Finals (the best the Heat could have hoped for). At best, Cleveland wins the title next year and has a window of opportunity to win a few more. This is a better situation than staying with the Heat.
Screw Ohio and screw Lebron. The owner of the Cavs basically told Lebron to fuck off and Lebron ends up coming back? What a joke.
It's even better when you're a fan of the team, I can assure you. Go Cavs
Lebron knows exactly what he is doing. I was thinking somewhat similarly to what Bill Simmons just wrote. Lebron made a calculated move back to Cleveland because he knows Cleveland is better set up for more championships now than Miami (as currently constructed). When you add Lebron to Cleveland's roster, they become a totally different team.
Lebron is the smartest and best player in basketball right now, but he is also the most image-conscious. The letter was well played.
I'm the biggest Jordan fan there is, and Lebron will never be better than Jordan. However, I also respect his talent, and he is on track to be a top five or six player of all time. You sound like you need to chill out. It's just basketball.
Just curious what you mean by "the letter was well played?" Do you mean that Gilbert and Lebron conspired together and posted the letter so that no one would think Lebron would ever come back to Cleveland? Reminds me of the TV show "Damages" where Glen Close always seemed to be five moves ahead of everyone else.
Now all of the Cavs fans who were LBJ haters are suddenly going to pretend that they didn't troll the LBJ pieces with hateful epithets the last four years.
What's even funnier is that we couldn't care less. I spent all weekend watching sportscenter repeats, and watching old Cavs games on ESPN Classic.
I hated his guts, but it's cool, I love him now. That letter was all I needed.
I had my LeBron cavs jersey on all weekend and it felt great, we are instantly a 50 win team, GO CAVS.