OT: Kirk's FTW is up, of course Frames Janklin is there
You knew Frames would make it this week. I will admit to being a sicko and actually watching the OT which I guess I really regret since I will never get that time back. That loss to 350lb, I mean now 3-5 Bert was near apex "Big Ten!". Enjoy
October 25th, 2021 at 9:53 AM ^
Do you think that hurts his value to USC or LSU? What exactly has he won that puts him in those conversations?
October 25th, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^
B1G title. Although he did have a 39 point loss to UM that year.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^
Yeah that’s fair, but if remember it correctly didn’t have a 2011 Michigan flair to it?
Namely a bounce here or there is 2-3 losses.
But I guess that’s football.
October 25th, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^
I think the expression that you're looking for is "arm punt here or there."
They somewhat inexplicably outscored OSU 17-0 in the fourth, after doing little to that point, to steal the game by three. The game was punctuated by the infamous "kick six"--the blocked-field-goal-turned-TD-return that put PSU on top. Won the Big Ten despite being the third-best team in the conference that year.
October 25th, 2021 at 12:49 PM ^
I would take that.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^
Yes. What a joy watching the Big Ten title game that year between two teams we beat. Two teams that were completely smothered by our defense. Just makes you hate that officiating crew who did the OSU game even more.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:02 PM ^
And I believe that was the game where he kicked a 1st half ending FG from the 1 yd line to cut a four score game to four scores. Frames...
October 25th, 2021 at 10:33 AM ^
He's an excellent recruiter and he's done a good job of hiring assistants. He's had a number of 11-win seasons including at least one where they were close to the playoffs (i.e., 2017 when he blew a big lead against Ohio State). If they'd take away his headphones and let him clap on the sideline a la Brady Hoke he'd probably win another game or two a season.
Seriously, it comes down to the coaching market this year. How many home run hires are there out there who you can realistically hire? You've got Urban Meyer (assuming he doesn't last out the season in Jacksonville), but only one team is going to be able to hire him. Who else is out there that is a guaranteed winner?
If you can't get Meyer, then you could look at up-and-coming coaches. There are a number of guys out there who look promising like Matt Campbell and Luke Fickell, but at this point you don't know if you're hiring the next Urban Meyer out of Utah or the next Scott Frost out of Central Florida. Also, the up-and-coming guys might not want to coach at your school for various reasons.
Neither LSU nor USC are likely to be looking at coordinators or NFL coaches (unless they hire from within, which I don't see happening).
So you go with the guy who's nearly at the next level and you think can at least recruit the players to get you there.
(I'm not saying that hiring Franklin would be a good idea for USC or LSU. If I were a fan of either school, I'd be unhappy; the guy is sleazy and a maddeningly inept game day coach. I am saying that he might be the best coach one of those schools can get this year.)
October 25th, 2021 at 10:41 AM ^
Bill Obrien to usc is what they should be looking at. He did a great job with Penn St post Sandusky. Crappy NFL gm, but a good coach.
He's working for Saban this year, so he is back up to speed on recruiting. If we were hiring this year BOB would be who I would want to hire.
October 25th, 2021 at 10:57 AM ^
Total feelings-ball on my part, but I've never really been a fan of BOB after what he did to the kids at Penn State. He sold them all on staying, committing to the future, starting something new... when they got the sanctions, he issued some mealy-mouthed statement that included: "But I am committed for the long term to Penn State and our student athletes."
Things go better than expected in year 1, and he's instantly out interviewing for head coaching jobs in the NFL. Didn't work out, and he made the statement: "I'm not a one-and-done guy. I made a commitment to these players at Penn State and that's what I am going to do. I'm not gonna cut and run after one year, that's for sure."
But I guess cutting and running after TWO years is cool, though, because he then left IMMEDIATELY to take an NFL job after his second year.
BOB has always been just a guy who's always looking for the quickest path back to an NFL HC job, IMHO, and I wouldn't want to hire someone who already had one foot out the door.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:39 AM ^
I think that's a fair take, feelings-ball or not, honestly. If you're looking for a high quality stop-gap, and there's a mutual understanding that the relationship is short-lived, then that's fine. But if you don't just want to end up in the same situation you were before, in another HC search, then you probably don't want someone who isn't as into you as you are into them.
He's a great rebound, but not LTR material.
October 25th, 2021 at 12:27 PM ^
Very possible.
If I were an AD that's definitely someone that I would talk to though. Maybe his thoughts have changed after the shitshow that is management/ ownership in Houston.
And if you're at USC, it's not a bad place to live or recruit, and the pac12 is not exactly the SEC west or the big east to win in.
Either way, he would be on my list way above Frames..
October 25th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^
... but at this point you don't know if you're hiring the next Urban Meyer out of Utah or the next Scott Frost out of Central Florida.
Help me recall correctly ... when Florida plucked Meyer out of Utah, was it seen as sure thing? He certainly did well with Utah, but in reading some write-ups on that, it seems his predecessor is given quite a bit of credit for laying the groundwork there.
So I'm not being contrarian: I really trying to recall how much hype was around Meyer's move to Florida at that time. I have a buddy who's a big Gator fan, and I recall him being positive about Meyer. But he was also positive about Muschamp and McElwain, so I tend to view his outlook as always "glass half full."
October 25th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^
Eh, I definitely remember him being a hot commodity. He immediately turned around a Bowling Green team that had been bad for years, and then took a decent but not great Utah team and went 10-2 and 12-0, finishing that second year with a Fiesta Bowl win and a top-5 ranking. In terms of Utah, that was a team that five years before he arrived had been in the WAC, and he laid the groundwork to get them from the Mountain West into the Pac-10.
Was he considered a sure thing, probably not, but he won everywhere he went, so I'm sure Florida fans were excited for him. His biggest knock was probably his penchant for bolting for better jobs, as he only stayed at BG and Utah for two years each.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:11 PM ^
He wasn't necessarily a 100 percent sure thing but he was as hot as any coach from from a G5 (this was before Utah was Pac12) has ever been. The risk was very low and upside unlimited given his success at Miami (NTM) and Utah.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^
The risk was very low and upside unlimited given his success at Miami (NTM) and Utah.
Bowling Green, but yeah...
October 25th, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^
I certainly don't know think he was seen as a sure thing--that's in retrospect, obviously. I think the best you could say when Florida hired him was that he was definitely in the up-and-coming class.
Of the up-and-coming coaches now, we won't know who the "sure thing" will be until five or even ten years from now. Some of them will be damn good coaches, some of them will be good but not spectacular, some will flame out and get fired.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^
Two things jumped out here:
First, Kansas Jayhawks official Twitter saying, "Hey, the stadium gates are open and you don't even need a ticket.
And second, Brady Hoke's team is 7-0.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^
He has milked A LOT out of that one win over Ohio State 5 years ago.
October 25th, 2021 at 10:06 AM ^
Watch Frames' agent spin this one.
October 25th, 2021 at 10:42 AM ^
"Stayed mostly focused for 9 OTs!"
October 25th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^
Agent - " My client ran out of paper after 8 OT to draw up a play. So, the one thing we definitely want to include in future contracts is an unlimited supply of paper and pencil (or crayons). We never know when we will go to 90 OT. And you should see my client's excellent penmanship. "
October 25th, 2021 at 1:08 PM ^
Irritating how you keep seeing “most overtimez ever!”
I mean I guess that’s technically true but only cause the ot rules suck donkey anus now. I thought Nebraska was going to have the most embarrassing loss to BERT but Frames said not so fast my friend.
October 25th, 2021 at 10:08 AM ^
I love this series, which is actually called THE MAIN CHARACTER.
"Each day on twitter there is one main character. The goal is to never be it."
Makes up for the loss of This Week in Schadenfreude which should have never ended.
October 25th, 2021 at 10:22 AM ^
My hat's off to Spencer Hall who tweeted:
"the old maxim is true, you never beat Bret Bielema in a 9OT game"
Hahaha...
October 25th, 2021 at 10:45 AM ^
...and yet Frames will catch 10% of the grief that Harbaugh would if this happened to Michigan.
I guess the takeaway is this: If a coach maintains an "aw shucks" milquetoast personality they don't get lambasted as harshly by the fans and media (see: Franklin, Ferentz, Chryst, etc.)
October 25th, 2021 at 11:04 AM ^
The thing is, whatever else you can say about Frames in-game coaching, he has that one 2016 win vs aOSU, plus conference title. That's pretty much like the lembas elf-bread from Lord of the Rings in that he can subsist off of that for eternity. Maybe it's not right and maybe there's an unfair double standard that only Michigan gets crucified for (if we somehow beat the cooler poopers this year, you know damn well that the goalposts will shift to having to win more than twice per decade), but it's reality.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:52 AM ^
It's kind of a paradox. I'd most likely trade Franklin's record for Harbaugh's--he has the win over OSU, the B1G championship, three 11-win seasons, etc.--but there's no way I'd trade Franklin for Harbaugh...
October 25th, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^
Yes if Harbaugh had one Big Ten Championship I think it completely changes the argument. Even if the media was still shitting on Jim you could defend it by saying at least he’s won a big ten title.
Also PSU has an 11 win season based on playing Memphis and Washington in bowls. They certainly got an easier opponent in Memphis than Michigan in Alabama in 2019. I think the perception is also based on how the seasons have ended 2016-2019. Lose to OSU and lose in a bowl game.
October 25th, 2021 at 10:46 AM ^
Wow to that section on Brady Hoke's punter.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:34 AM ^
I saw that too. Unfortunately, my initial thought is.....The Lions should draft him because they punt so much, they would need someone like that.
Sadly, I am being serious about this....
October 25th, 2021 at 11:48 AM ^
I feel your pain.
But Matt Azaria is not just a punter; he routinely kicks 50+ yard FGs and is perfect on extra points this season. Kirk says Azaria stands fourth in kickoff distance so far this season. He could help the Lions in many ways.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:55 AM ^
Exactly why I feel the Lions should draft him. It notes that he has had only 1 miss from under 40 yards and most of them are from 50+. Sorry that I didn't specify that in the first post. He could be the Lions "GUS" (Very old Disney movie reference for anyone under the age of 45)
October 25th, 2021 at 1:06 PM ^
Azaria stands fourth in kickoff distance so far this season.
Wow, Hank Azaria - is there anything he can't do?
October 25th, 2021 at 10:49 AM ^
I saw the final score at the end of regulation and then saw the Illini victory in "OT". Thought it was one OT based on the score. Saw 9OT later on my Fox Sports app and said WTF!!
Must have been painful to watch that game.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
9 OTs and still made the under. Marvelous.
October 25th, 2021 at 12:00 PM ^
How a game goes 9 OTs and ends 20-18 is beyond me. That takes offensive incompetence to a whole new level.
But maybe it's fitting, the cosmic counterpoint to Illinois's 67-65 3 OT loss to us in 2010 that took defensive incompetence to a whole new level...
October 25th, 2021 at 12:44 PM ^
The OT rules changed. They only attempt 2pt conversions (no TD or FG, so 0 or 2 points) starting in 3OT.
October 25th, 2021 at 12:57 PM ^
Referring to alternating single-play possessions as an Overtime period is a joke, as is having teams do that 7 times to end a game. The switching sides of the field each period made it even worse. An absolutely terrible rule change.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:10 PM ^
Personally I have always thought they should push teams back 10 yards or so and not give them pretty much a 40 yard field goal without even picking up a first down.
October 25th, 2021 at 10:59 AM ^
FTW's main point bears repeating: football is about feelz.
While many of us huff and puff about the ostensible bottom line / ultimate answer / end-of-argument final score, the real game continues in discussion, a heady mix of exulting & rehashing & moaning & busting chops.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
While 20-18 in 9OT is a hilarious result, comparing that result to past outcomes when the OT rules were different and characterizing it as an indictment of midwestern B1G football is a little disingenuous.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^
Really? THAT'S your takeaway?
October 25th, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^
No, it's not my only takeaway. I think PSU fans should probably be more alarmed that they only scored 10 points in regulation against Illinois rather than focusing on the fact that they could only muster 8 points in 9 overtimes.
Better?
October 25th, 2021 at 12:45 PM ^
It didn't seem disingenuous, he just seems oblivious to the rule change.
October 25th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^
I watched the highlights after the fact. Absolutely hilarious. At one point one of the announcers referred to the game as a "pillow fight" and that seemed apt.
October 25th, 2021 at 1:06 PM ^
I watched it from a hotel lobby down here in FL with some other Michigan fans. It was both pathetic and entertaining as hell at the same time. PSU had SEVEN opportunities to gain 2 yards and could only do it once. I was jumping up and down with great excitement when Brandon Peters hit the final pass in the back of the end zone. 100k plus fans going home with a major red ass. Hahaha!
October 25th, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^
I look forward to this every week. I thoroughly enjoyed this one. My wife and I watched PSU OT and we were laughing so hard at the ineptitude of both teams. Happy for Peters. I also watched most the game and have to say that PSU was sorely missing their star on DL. I can't imagine one guy making that kind of a difference. Bielema suddenly made ILL rushing offense look like Wisconsin offense. Clifford was definitely hurt and he was hit multiple times if I recall. Talk about broken QBs. Frames broke him.
Article was stereotyping B1G for bad offense. That game deserved the critic. Man it was bad. Just like we laugh about no defense in B12, there was no offense.
October 25th, 2021 at 12:37 PM ^
I didn't watch most of it but from what I saw sure seemed like a game that PSU tried to the do bare minimum to get by against a lesser opponent from a gameplan standpoint and it bit them in the ass.