Per Adam Schefter, the Lions and Jim Caldwell have agreed to terms. Thoughts?
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
I am done with the retreads of coaches. I wish I could quit being a Lions fan. I try to like other teams, but it just doesn't "stick" and every time I watch them play/lose in horrible fashion, I just think "man, I wasted 3 hours of my life on that"
It doesn't matter. These are the Lions. They weren't going to get it done with either.
Posted something similary on the Trey Burke thread about Dumars. He'll get a second chance, but I don't get why some guys get hired over and over again.
a large part of the job is administrative and bureacratic nonsense along with media relations. They want somebody who knows "how" to be a head coach in the simplest terms, not necessarilty somebody who knows how to be a great one.
There are the have and the have nots in the NFL. This entire search has confirmed for me that the Lions are a have not and will likely be so for quite some time.
There was actually a good article written a couple of years ago analyzing the success of NFL "second chance" head coaches. It showed that a lot of guys have had success the second time around after getting fired the first go-round. I think there's some validity to it b/c guys may get overwhelmed the first time, maybe make some critical early mistakes that they can't recover from (wrong coaches hired, wrong attitude towards players at the beginning, etc etc). The second time they probably come in more cautious and thoughtful, which can make a difference. Anyway, I don't know how that success has changed over the last few years with other retread coaches. Overall though, not that happy about Caldwell, but not just b/c he's a retread.
The Lions are not one of the "have-nots" of the NFL.
They are instead The charter member of the "Have-No-Clues".
I find it easier to just cheer and follow former U of M players. Its made my Sundays more enjoyable though more expensive because of Sunday Ticket.
In true Lions fashion, they couldn't even close on a coach. I mean, I don't hate the Calwell hire but it's not exciting either. Their criteria was too narrow and they treated the whole situation like they could just hand-pick whomever they wanted and they would come running.
Like most things Lions related, I'm pretty disappointed.
If you believe the BUZZ out there, there's a good reason Whisenhunt did not come to Detroit. According to the Pride of Detroit article I linked above, Whisenhunt was set on running 3x4 defense. If so, then Whisenhunt would have been a bad marriage for the Lions, given their defensive personnel and their roster commitment to players suited to a 4x3 defense.
That article also suggests that Whisenhunt was attracted to the lesser competition of the AFC South. I find that a bit harder to believe, but maybe so. Either way, I'm curious to see what Caldwell brings to the table in terms of discipling, QB coaching, and so forth.
Also, we should at least in part be happy that the Lions have finally hired a black head coach. I never think this should be the overall goal, but in a city with demographics like Detroit, it's nice to have a black coach running the show.
Oh please. I don't know any reason I should be "happy" the Lions hired a black head coach unless I should also be "happy" they found a white wide receiver.
I didn't mean to imply you or anyone else in particular needs to be happy. Be indifferent if you like.
In my view, it's a nice biproduct of the coaching search. I would not look at being black as anything close to a job requirement (or even anything that should tip the proverbial scale), but in a predominantly black city it's nice to have a black head coach as a face of authority.
I would not normally even mention it, but this team has never had a black head coach before. (They've had white wide receivers before.)
Wayne Fontes was of African descent, does he not count?
12 million to buyout Schwartz(or more) so you can bring in Caldwell?I guess I shouldn't be surprised.Once again the Lions shit the bed.
Detroit needs to give him a chance.
But we have the right to judge, and to be skeptical based on the Ford family's history of hiring mediocre heach coaches.
Caldwell was 2-14 his last season in Indy, and 26-63 as a head coach at Wake Forest. His Ravens were 29th in total offense this year.
I was excited about Mariucci. I was excited about Schwartz. Heck, I was even excited about Marinelli.
As a lifelong Lions fan, I've earned the right to be skeptical. I hope I'm wrong, but this looks like and uninspiring hire.
He's a terrible coach no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
If... and... but...
/damn, too late!
will Caldwell have to make the playoffs to keep his job? I doubt it, I bet he gets 4 to 5 years to reach the playoffs, if he even gets the Lions to the playoffs.
Finish in third place in the Divison in 2014. He makes the playoffs once in the next five years, gets canned and the Fords do this all again.
It's been the same cycle for 50 years.
I'd be shocked if he lasted past three years. This isn't a rebuild and I'm sure they know it. If Caldwell misses the playoffs in his first two years during the first time the Lions have been semi relevant since Barry Sanders and during Stafford's prime, they will can him.
The coach search will begin again
Then we can get an expansion team with new ownership.
Trust me you do NOT want that.
All the Browns fans that have had to wach the Ravens win two Super Bowls, be in the playoffs every year and endure the comical blunders of our so-called brain trust through the past 14 years since we got the "new Browns".
a better head coach this time. It's virtually impossible for the Browns to botch this worse than the Lions. Of course it is the Browns.
the pre-Ravens Browns were not nearly as bad as the Lions organization still is.
Haven't you only been a Brown's fan for like, four years?
Tressel coming to Detroit too? http://fansided.com/2014/01/13/report-jim-tressel-cold-join-jim-caldwells-staff-hired-detroit-lions/
Miss you big guy XOXO?
Good. Tressel will finally start losing in the state of Michigan.
if they hire Tressel, I think I could officially stop caring about the Lions for the duration of his time with them. that would be a nice vacation from the endless misery
I swore off the Lions for about the 38th time in my life, but I'll sheepishly crawl back to the TV next year and watch for a renewed pulse. I know...not exactly an inspiring way to enter a football season.
I'm willing to give him the chance he deserves. Anyone who both wanted to fire Schwartz and simultaneously didn't want to hire a "retread" has got to learn the meaning of "you can't have it both ways." You can either have a guy who's never been a head coach or a guy who was. Schwartz was the former. And the Lions need a guy who was. No more learning on the job. Complaining about "retreads" is silly.
That said, it's obvious we're settling after failing to land Whisenhunt. I would hope they're paying less than they'd have paid Whisenhunt. I don't give Caldwell a lot of credit for developing Peyton Manning, because, c'mon, Peyton Manning. Neither do I blame him much for going 2-14 because it's obvious that's exactly what the Colts organization wanted to do.
While I agree with your sentiment, I think I would just rather see them hire a "hotshot" college coach. Look at what Philly, and San Fran have done....shit same with the Seahawks. I wouldn't have minded them making a run at David Shaw or Mike Gundy.
I would taken my chances with a good college coach. Hiring re-treads never work out. Just awful!
You mean like how Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, and Bill Belichick were such fuckups in their second head coaching job?
I think this may be a better hire than Whisenhunt, frankly. There's only one blip on his radar screen (the non-Manning year) and he's won championships.
I was thinking the opposite - that this was the Lions' fallback plan after Whisenhunt went to Tennessee.
1 blip? Are you giving him a pass for the .292 winning percentage as Head Coach of Wake Forest? 1 winning season in 8 years and it was 7-5. This guy is not a head football coach.
Personally, I couldn't care less about his record at Wake Forest. The job and duties of a college football coach are nothing like that of an NFL Coach. There are horrible College Coaches that end up doing great in the Pros, and great college coaches that completely flame out in the Pros.
Not to mention, that was over 14 years ago. It's not that meaningful now.
But I get it... He's not a big huge name so people will hate.
but they went 9-2 the year before he arrived, and 9-2 again the year after he got fired. Seems like it at least deserves some attention.
I understand people paying attention to it. It just means nothing at all to me. 14+ years ago and not in the NFL. It's nearly meaningless to the job he can do.
I'm not saying the guy is going to be Vince Lombardi or anything. I just kinda laugh at the people who think he's going to fail because he wasn't a good College Coach.
And we laugh at you for being a Lions fan. Enjoy your 6 wins.
Did it take you all morning to come up with that one?
"but they went 9-2 the year before he arrived, and 9-2 again the year after he got fired."
1992 (year before Caldwell): 8-4
2001 (year after Caldwell): 6-5
No one wins at Wake Forest...
John Mackovic (1978-1980): 14-20 (81-62-3 otherwise)
Al Groh (1981-1986): 26-40 (59-52 otherwise)
Bill Dooley (1987-1992): 29-36-2 (132-91-3 otherwise)
Jim Caldwell (1993-2000): 26-63
Jim Grobe (2001-2013): 77-82 (33-33-1 otherwise)
far as Manning could carry him.
the Ravens this year and the Colts regresses under him. His entire career is one big blip.
Ravens regressed this year because Harbaugh got super-controlling about everything and took the playbook out of his hands. I'm a Ravens fan, I watched that mess all year. Caldwell didn't get to be involved, despite having fixed their problems to get them to the Super Bowl last year.
Look at his track record. He flopped at Wake, his Colts teams got worse, and the Ravens offense finished 29th in the league.
The man is nothing more than a QB coach.
I would even question his track record there. Other than taking an already great QB, who happens to be a self motivator and one of the hardest workers in the history of the NFL, and making him a little bit better, what else has he done as a QB coach?
In nearly 30 years of being a QB coach/head coach, where are all of the outstanding QBs he has developed? Where are the NFL QBs he produced in college?
Will bump this thread in January 2017 when we're discussing who the Lions will get to replace Jim Caldwell
By the way, he was 26-63 as HC at Wake Forest with 7 losing season in 8 years, with his only winning season being 7-5
Wow. There's something to look forward to in the coming years. ;(
Almost as bad of hire as Millen was. Terrible hire.
It was a bold choice on someone who seemed to understand the game very well.
This is just blah.
Hello 8-8 for the next 3 years.
Whooooooo! 3 non-losing seasons in a row!
Mayhew has to go next time. I put this on him.
You sound like my Dad. Before he died last year, he had a 21 season bet going with my uncle (season ticket holder since before the Silver Dome) that the Lions wouldn't be better than 8-8. My uncle never paid him a dime.
Then your dad lost some money because your Uncle should have payed him more than a few times in 21 years.
That's what I'm saying. I should try to collect.
I think that's extremely generous. We just downgraded the coaching spot on a team that went 4-12 and 7-9 the last two seasons and Calvin isn't getting any younger. Only way they'll make the playoffs until Caldwell is fired is if Rodgers and Cutler both get their ACLs ripped out of their legs. Even then, still looks sketchy.
I'm super excited....
he was peytons qb coach so he should be able to help stafford improve. tony dungy apparently raved about him to the fords. if we can get a good OC who is creative i think it will work out well
history and didn't screw him up. That's pretty exciting.
caldwell was hired in 2002 by the colts, that season mannings completion percentage jumped from 62.7% (which was the highest of his 1st 4 seasons) to 66.3% and manning never dropped under 65% under caldwell. manning has attirbuted some of his success to caldwells coaching. while manning is one of the greatest qbs in history caldwell still helped him become who he is today. i think it should help stafford out.
Retread. Someone get Ron Rothstein on the phone for the analysis of this hire.
Heard on the local radio that Stafford is the main reason Whisenhunt went elsewhere. They cited Stanford's unwillingness to become a leader and that he said he didn't need anyone to teach him how to be a better QB. Not sure how much of it is true, but if it is...yikes.
Don't recycle hot takes from radio guys. Their job is to draw callers and they use the same tactic that horses use to draw flies.
Yea I really didn't know how much stock to put into what they say, seeing as it's in Dallas and they were probably just repeating something they heard. They did agree that it was a good job to take with the level of talent on the team already...but, like, duh.
From what I understand, Stafford had nothing to do with the decision, as far as what has actually been said. Whisenhunt said he wanted to run a 3-4 D and the Lions wouldn't budge on it, and frankly liked Nashville more than Detroit (and probably liked $$). Then Jeff Riger of 97.1 wrote a commentary about how it is probably really because of Stafford and Whiz's lack of confidence in him. Now that station talks about it like a reported fact when there's no evidence of such.
schefter tweeted yesterday about how whiz had coached at vandy for a bit and liked/was familiar with the nashville area
Not my first choice (not their first choice) but he's the polar opposite of Schwartz. He won't be an embarrassment. If he makes Stafford better, it might just work.
I saw Teryl Austin's name mentioned as a possible DC.
Disappointing. They have all the pieces in place to be a contender, and should have been in 2013. I hope that they are able to turn the corner, but I'm just not very optimistic. I have to say I agree with the "no retread coaches" crowd. I'll always root for the Lions, but they make it tough sometimes.
Same old Lions.
Maybe they'll pick up a better coach in 3 years.
The Lions settle again. Rinse, wash, dry, repeat.
This doesn't look good. The Lions clearly whiffed on Whisenhunt, who was their preferred choice; it looks like they could have gotten him if they had moved faster, but Tennessee got to him first and that's that.
The one thing I did like about Caldwell was the report that, for his interview, he charted every one of Stafford's passes with notations on what corrections he would make. So we're not looking at someone who isn't already putting in the work to improve the team. And, frankly, I'm glad his interview was not just a Rooney Rule throwaway, but that he had a legit shot at the job.
Still, I wanted Whisenhunt (or Lovie or Jon Gruden). The Lions were thought to have the best opening in the NFL this year and wound up with a hire that is, at best, un-inspiring. That's an organizational problem. They failed to execute.
Contrast this with how Brandon got Nussmeier on board. Pretty stark.
Not sure how the lions could have moved faster given that they couldn't offer him a job before the Chargers were eliminated from the playoffs and had a private jet ready to go to San Diego first thing Monday morning. I'm guessing Whisenhunt simply didn't want to coach the Lions for one reason or another
I am definately not excited about this. Caldwell may have been the best guy available after Whisenhunt got hired by the Titans. But that being said I don't think think anyone was beating down Caldwells door why not wait at this point and wait and see what else breaks loose? Their are rumors that Harbough may leave San Fran after the season. At this point what does Detriot have to lose by waiting?
" At this point what does Detriot have to lose by waiting?"
I'll let you know as soon as my Browns secure their Head Coach cause they are definitely taking the "wait and see" approach to their vacancy.
Our current "frontrunner" is Adam Gase, 35 year old Denver first year OC has never been an HC in his life and has basically spent the year WATCHING Peyton Manning run the offense. And there's no assurance he'll even take the job if offered.
I think I'm going to apply for the Browns job.
Waiting is no guarantee thats for sure.But when they have whiffed on what appeared to be the best coaches available why not pump the breaks a little? No one else seemed to be interested in Caldwell. He was available today and there is a pretty good chance he would have still been available after the super bowl when you know about the playoff coaches.
When you have to settle it usually ends in divorce.
Fuck the Lions.
The optimistic view is that he can fix stafford and bring in someone from the ravens to be d coordinator. But we are the lions and never expect good things.
I am not sold that he can fix Stafford. It would be great if he can. But how much credit can we really give the guy for Peyton Manning?
But we are the lions and never expect good things.
It's hard to be excited about a guy who was clearly Plan B, but he does have an ok track record so hopefully he can help take this team to the next level.
At some point there is only so much abuse you can take from a wife and you have to leave the bitch. The kids are all grown up and gone to college so now it's time for me to be selfish and find someone that makes me happy. Divorce is expensive because it's worth it.
Some day the Ford family will sell the team. Then and only then will the fans left standing have hope of their team playing in a Superbowl.
I'm married to the Lions, but my mistress is the Patriots.
have owned the Lions. He's 2 and 2.
I miss Wayne Fontes.
He's interviewing with Miami for the GM spot....cherry on top of the crap sunday.
Oh boy. I am not a fan of this hiring.
I understand the Peyton Manning connection, and he did reach a Super Bowl, but color me as one of those "it was all on Peyton" types.
I think he's probably a good QB coach, although I'm not sure how great his track record is outside of Peyton. Peyton was already in his 5th year and a great QB by the time Caldwell showed up.
I'm just not sold on him as a head coach when the guy's head coaching track record is 52-85 (Wake Forest + Colts).
This seems like a "We whiffed on everyone we wanted! Panic!" hires.
Manning pre-Caldwell season average QBR (throwing out rookie season): 89.8
Manning with Caldwell season average QB: 101
Manning pre-Caldwell highest completion %: 62.7%
Manning with Caldwell lowest completion %: 65.0%
It's almost like Peyton Manning entered his prime or something...
For the sake of argument, I'll grant you that he made an already great QB, who is a self motivator and one of the hardest working players in the history of the NFL, a little bit better.
Who else has Jim Caldwell turned into a star? Can you give me the names of all those college QBs he sent into the NFL? He's been a QB coach/head coach for nearly 30 years. So I'd like some names.
Caldwell started coaching QBs in 1986 at Penn State. PSU QB Tony Sacca played there from 1988 to 1991 and then was drafted in the second round. Kerry Collins also had two years of coaching from Caldwell.
Rusty LaRue played QB for Caldwell at Wake Forest, and according to their website, "LaRue set school and ACC records that still stand, including marks for total offensive yards, total offensive plays, pass attempts, pass completions and passing yards in a game." (LaRue went on to play basketball, though, rather than football.) Ben Sankey from Wake Forest had a pro career mostly in the CFL and showed up once or twice on some NFL practice squads.
That's the list, mainly. Take it how you like. 30 years is a bit inflationary considering he was only a college coach for about 15 years and spent most of the rest of his time dealing with Peyton Manning. Having coached three players who went pro plus one who chose basketball isn't a bad track record if you ask me. Had he coached somewhere other than Wake Forest I might demand more recognizable names, but even Steve Spurrier didn't have all-star talent when he was at Duke.
Just curious as to why Jim Tressel gets so much hate for a try at OC. He's had great success on-field. Sure his off the field antics and deceit were a blemish on his resume. But this is the NFL now, all that aside, what do we have to lose with him being OC? Worst case scenario: we do no better than we've done now. He may be a surprising upgrade. Are you really going to judge him negatively if he's winning?
But this is the NFL now, all that aside, what do we have to lose with him being OC?
My dignity. Gonna take a real hit if I see Tressel in the same colors I root for.
In seriousness, here's the thing. Caldwell is not coaching in a vacuum. NFL franchises are not just interchangeable collections of players with randomly assigned colors to tell them apart. I turned on Schwartz when he turned on the fans. I want a Lions head coach to at least attempt to display some kind of indication that he understands his surroundings, including the fans who root for his team and have been here one hell of a lot longer than he has.
Let's just say the reports about Tressel are more than empty bloviating. If Caldwell really, truly believes he can't find one single OC that can do the job better than Tressel, then hire Tressel - but it's gonna be hard to convince anyone that of all the coaches out there, there's nobody qualified for the job besides Tressel. Three-quarters of the Lions fanbase despises the guy. (That'd be every Michigan fan and half the Sparties, too.) Is it really too much to ask, when you walk into a job, to realize that? If it is, maybe you're the wrong guy after all.
The last thing I want in a Head Coach is someone who has a plan, and isn't going to follow it for fear the fans won't like it.
He shouldn't care in anyway about how Lions Fans would like hiring Tressel, nor does he need to convince a single fan that Tressel would be the right guy for the job.
The only thing the coach needs to care about is winning. If he wins, nobody cares who he hired.
I'm spitballing here, but it might have something to do with his history as head coach of Ohio State.
So what you're saying is, because he was head coach of Ohio, and successful against us largely, you feel that much disdain that you wouldn't want him to possibly be able to attribute some of that success to a team you now like? You would feel better if he was a huge loser at Ohio St. and came to the Lions? I guess i'm not bitter enough to think that way.
Yep that's pretty much it.
You do realize this is a Michigan sports blog right?
Yes I do realize this is a Michigan sports blog. Most people who are fans of michigan college teams are fans of their own state's professional teams as well. Which is why you see posts about the Lions so much here. I just don't see the point in being irrational about a hire who hails from Ohio St. and had success there. Why does it matter as long as the guy wins? If he loses, it is what it is,we are no better off than we were. Whether our record is .500 or more, if we're not making the playoffs we aren't any worse off. Also, with what's left of the coaching pool, and considering we picked Caldwell, who's success under anything but Manning has been bleak, i feel that Tressel at least went out being a winner, albeit took a hit of character because of NCAA violations, but this is the NFL. Hopefully can bring some on -field success to a team that is historically ran themselves into the ground.
Apparently i am in the minority but I think I have a right to my opinion to want both of my teams to be successful. If you are an individual that wishes distraught on your own team because Tressel USED to be a rival coach a few years ago, then that's your opinion, as a fan. If you want to sulk about the hire because it's a coach from a well coached rival school, you can also have that opinion. I was just asking why people think this way.. but all i got was "because he coached Ohio St." Seems like a shallow reason but hey, to each his own I guess.
/s = sarcasm...but nice rant
SI.com ran something late yesterday which reported that Bill Ford, Jr. had been in contact with Tony Dungy, who had been something of a mentor to Caldwell, so there was some praise out there for Caldwell. Dungy said:
“I know the Lions also want discipline and good character in the locker room,” Dungy told ESPN.com. “I’m not saying their other candidates can’t achieve those things but those are Jim’s strengths with his background, especially from his influence under Joe Paterno at Penn State and hopefully in our program in the NFL.”
So if we compare coaches to superheroes, and the most positive thing Dungy can say is about how nice and good charactered our players will be, you know, instead of winning and bringing an explosive offense?
Well, I'd say this infers that we just hired Aqua Man.
Why Dungy? Why bring up working under Paterno when trying to praise someone's character?
Great hire. We got the guy that led the 29th ranked offense with a qb that threw more int than touchdowns. Sounds like a lateral move, Stafford can continue throwing 5 ints a game
There was also an article on ESPN talking about how the Ravens were considering firing him as offensive coordinator and were hoping some franchise would come along and hire him so they didn't have to make that decision.
It is very inspiring to hear that the guy you've just hired as HC was on the verge of being canned as an OC just before you hired him.
They HIRED and PROMOTED a guy who was about to be fired. SAME OLD LIONS. What a joke!
Citing the team's continued pursuit of the longest championship drought title, Lions management has also agreed to give away their first round pick in next year's draft to the Arizona Cardinals.
Don't hate the hire. The key is his staff. Please keep Washburn as oline coach.
The man is terrible as a HC. He is nothing but a QB coach.
OK, we get it. Five posts of you rebutting positive comments about Caldwell with nothing but "he's terrible" has successfully driven the point home that you don't like the hire.
He is a bad coach because he didn't bring home the 'ship to Wake Forest.
because he drove the Colts into the ground and made the Ravens offense worse. The man is hot garbage as a HC. He is nothing but a QB coach.
I hope he is better than people are saying. Being a Lions fan sucks.
Look at his record. The man is not HC material.
uninspring hires of all time. After his 2 year run Megatron will be a little odler and the window will be closed up a bit more on any playoff opporrunities. Ugh!
This man has had TWO winning seasons in his ten years of being a head coach. He has failed at literally every single stop of his career. Naturally, he's a perfect fit.
to be traded. The offense is officially dead and if it's true Tressel is coming also, possibly as OC, this team will never win more than 6 games per season.
You can't play ball control/field position offense in the NFL. The league is built for offense and the Lions are officially doomed for another 50 years.
Worst organization in Professional sports. Period. End of Story. No one wants to come to Detroit.
Same Old Lions.
This organization is just screwed from the top down. It has zero accountability, zero direction, zero idea of what it takes to win and zero will to actually do what it takes. This is a same old stuff hire all the way by a organizatioin that couldn't get off its collective ass enough to go and get the guy that they wanted. If Wisenhunt was the guy they wanted, they needed to go and get him. There is no salary cap on coaches - just go and freaking hire the dude. If it looks like you are losing him, offer more coin. Go and compete and win something for a change.
I saw the Lions waste Barry Sanders, and now its going to do the same thing to Megatron.
I once heard someone comment that you can never really change your childhood sports team. You can try, but there is always a part of you that stays invested and pulls you back. As a kid, my NFL teams were #1 the hometown Lions and #2 my dad's team the Cleveland Browns. I am just stuck with these two clown shows.
I actually hope that the Lions do hire Tressell. That just may be revolting enough to finally make he give up on the Lions.
at least i married into a Steelers family, and were able to raise my kids on an NFL winner...
Worst case scenario: I've already got a "Fire Jim" t-shirt.
Never heard if him until now.
The man is known as an offensive guy. So according to Football Outsiders,
The year before Caldwell became Baltimore's OC (2011), Baltimore was 13th ranked Offense by FO. 2012 they were 13th. 2013, 30th.
2008 Indy 5th ranked offense (year before Caldwell took over)
2009 6th ranked offense
2011 27th [No Peyton]
Even if we ignore the no Peyton year, he has a history of not improving an offense at best. Driving it into the ground at worst.
I would've thought the Detroit job would be one of the more sought-after ones this offseason with that DL and the offensive talent but this is just awful. Even Josh McDaniels would have been a better hire, IMO.
Dave Brandon needs to buy the Lions. He'd make Bill Belichick the highest paid coach in the history of the world.
But a beer at Ford Field would cost $200.
Does anyone remember this Lions/Browns-level of stupidity in Peyton's last game as a Colt?
Edit: For those unaware, there was a running clock and the Jets only had one timeout remaining.
They were going to use that timeout to stop the clock and kick a 50 something yard field goal to try and win the game. The Jets kicker, Nick Folk, to that point in his career was not a very good long distance kicker. He had been cut from Dallas the year before for going 6-14 on 40+ yard field goals, and was just 5-11 on 40+ yard field goals that season.
Rather than letting them try the long field goal, Jim Caldwell called a timeout which allowed the Jets to run another play, resulting in a long gain. This allowed the Jets to call their last time out with seconds left and kick a short field goal, all but assuring victory.
Thanks for this. Awesome reminder of how great the next three years are going to be.
And his explanation of "trying to make the Jets run as many plays as possible" makes zero sense. He's clueless about clock and game management.
All of the people complaining about the hire and crying because Tressel might join the staff are lame fans anyways. I get it their losing is ridiculous but the fact that THIS hire is the one that sent you off the ledge as a fan is ridiculous. Don't be so soft and sensitive. Michigan hasn't exactly won a bunch of ball games these last few seasons and I see all of you post in here. We as fans can't do a damn thing about our coaches or players.
You sure it's J Milan & not Matt?
Before you judge Detroit Fans, who do you root for as far as NFL?
The Detroit lions. He's not the hottest hire but people bailing on the lions hiring a guy who has credit from Manning and Dungy is ridiculous to me. I am a fan of both lions and Michigan but have yet to waver in my fandom. I didn't really grow up watching college football but when I picked a team it was 3-9 UM and have kept with them no matter what. I've been a lions fan my whole life and though they are frustrating I still will watch no matter how disappointed I am. I just get angry at hearing people say "oh this is the last straw for me" blah blah. If that's the case then whoever says that isn't a great sports fan
5-11 comes natural to the Lions. The Lions have been inept for 60 years. This hire only adds to the legacy of losing.
The Lions haven't won a title since 1957, and you're calling out fans who have finally had enough futility?
I thought you were going to say some dumb shit like "Pittsburgh or New England" or any team save Cleveland. As most of the older guys and I don't know how old you are but watching the Shitshow Lions tear down the eighties teams for money, driving Berry into retirement because he was the ticket seller (so close) and now having this team on the brink and history says it will be a the standard "Goddamn plane has crashed into the mountain again". It's frustrating but sure as shit Ford Field will be sold out and three years there be a new coach peddling hope in "the D".
I'm 23 and I'm not calling anyone out unless they are complaining about the hire. This is probably the most talented lions roster we may see for 20 years and to quit watching because we didn't get wisenhunt or obrien would be silly. I know they have been perennial losers for decades but if you've been watching this long why would this suddenly change because we hired a guy who has a lot of people to back him. All I'm saying is before we all start jumping off bridges lets just see what the guy is all about. Odds are if they lose mayhew is gone and with a new GM coming in I've got to think a new coach would come as well.
(Please read the subject line in Mike Gundy's voice. Thanks.)
I have seen this orgnanization win one playoff game in my whole lifetime. I was in Indy last year and mentioned this to a Colts fan. At first, he didn't believe me. When I told him no, we have only one playoff win in over 50 years, he was in shock. People in other NFL towns can't believe that it could happen. The NFL is, and has been, set up to avoid Lions kind of failure. It is designed so that every fan base gets to have a playoff run every few years. Its fun. Its exciting. Its the NLF and it takes a special kind of ineptitude to achieve this level of suck. (Even the Browns had the 80s.)
People are reacting to this hire with that history. The problem is that this hire is such a Lions move. As an organization, they failed to get to their objective. Again. And there doesn't seem to be any really push to change how they do business. They look like they haven't a clue because they leaked that this was their guy and failed to get him. Contrast that with the Texans getting BOB, the Titans getting Wisenhunt and even Michigan getting Nuss. it is Same Old Lions.
I am glad that you are at least a little fired up for the hire. I haven't given up on the team altogether (though if they hire The Vest. . . ), but the last 20 years has taken its toll. Please try to understand those of us who look at this hire and want to give up.
winner for forty years. The Lions on the other hand have been consistent losers for 60.
The two don't even compare.
Man. All this hate for Caldwell and the Lions before he has even coached a single game. I get he may not have been your first choice to be coach and you all wanted someone better to come walking throught that door. Well guess what? So did the Lions. They tried to get their guy and it didn't happen. For all we know, the Lions did everything right and Whisenhunt may not have wanted to come here. Sometimes that happens. And when you are a franchise that has a stigma about being a perennial tire-fire that is to be expected. Sure the Lions ownership has had a lot to do with that in the past, but it does seem like the Lions are trying to turn the corner and move forward.
Mayhew has doen a great job of assembling this team and they are in good position going into next year. And for the shit people are giving Caldwell, he seems like to a perfect fit to instill a sense of discipline and accountability into this team that limits the number of bone-headed penalties and plays we were accustomed to seeing under Schwarz. So all of you that are done with the Lions, so be it. But I am not going to let the progress this franhise has taken to gain respect be thrown out the door just because they didn't get their first choice of coach.
who is hiring coaches who are not qualified to be coordinators. This is not going to end well for the Lions. Marinelli 2.0.
This franchise had been set back 5 years with this move.
Five years? Give me a break. The Lions went from 0-16 to 10-6 and in the playoffs 3 years later. From this thread its no secret you dislike the hire, but lets not act like this is a move that will haunt the Lions for years to come.
is Rod Marinelli all over again. The Lions are wasting two HOFers in CJ and Suh. Jim Caldwell is not a NFL head coach. That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Rod Marinelli NFL Head Coaching Record: 10-38 (.208)
Jim Caldwell NFL Head Coaching Record: 28-24 (.538)
Marinelli wasn't blessed with Peyton Manning
Jim Caldwell total head coaching record: 52-85 (.379)
Jim Caldwell total head coaching record sans Peyton Manning: 28-77 (.266)
Jim Caldwell also didn't have Matt Millen making personnel decisions for him.
Jim Caldwell total head coaching record sans Peyton Manning: 28-77 (.266)
Which is still NOTICEABLY better than Marinelli's record. That should tell you something about the futility of Rod Marinelli.
And then went 11-21 after that. Congrats on going from the worst team, based on record, in the history of the NFL to a fringe playoff team that was summarily dispatched in the first round.
No single move will haunt the Lions because, frankly, how do you distinguish one crappy move from another? This isn't trading Babe Ruth or picking Bowie over Jordan; the Lions have been one of the worst organizations in the NFL for basically my whole life. Caldwell may well work out a bit, but this is a guy nobody wanted who fell to the Lions after the missed out on Lovie Smith and Wisenhunt, to say nothing for the other possible coaches like BOB who may have been options.
What a step back. I hope I have to eat my words, but it feels like they should have just kept Schwartz.
Ugh. He did a serviceable job in Indy, but pointing at Baltimore as proof that he can coach QBs and an offense is not high praise. He'll be fine, at best. I guess that's an improvement for the Lions, but man did this team whiff this postseason.
Is Caldwell the disciplinarian and leader of men that Scwhartz wasn't ?
I don't know. This guy seems really mellow and unexpressive. Can he get guys to stop making stupid mistakes and penalties? That's the biggest question.
I'm not to excited over this hire. But, what the hell. The Lions have one winning season is Staffords 5 years here.
I know why this will be a good hire: because it clearly seems like a bad hire.
Superbowl win coming up, probably next year - you heard it here first.
Just bought my ticket for the game in London. Just hope not to see the Same Old Lions.
Why.... I would take Kubiak in a heartbeat over Caldwell... This doesn't bode well for our constant disappointment as Lions fans.
Caldwell could easily have been hired a week from now.
What's really funny is the talk of what a great interview he had...can't wait for the Lions to win a game because their coach interviews so well.
Panicking because they need to hire assistant coaches before they all have jobs elsewhere.
My sincerest condolences to all Lions fans out there.
He drove me nuts during his Indy tenure.
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26-63 at Wake Forest
2011 2-14 without Peyton Manning
Off. Coordinator of the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL 2013"
We will be doing this 3yrs from now. Should fired Schwartz in Week 15 and gone after Bill O'Brien. This coaching search was handled horribly.
I am NOT impressed with this hire by the Lions. As others have said, I have a feeling we'll be discussing who the new Lions coach will be in a few years.
Boy am I glad I switched to the packers. With Cutler resigning, Vikings going to have some superr retread, and the Lion hiring Dungy's dirty undies, the NFC North is going to be all PACKERS!!!
GO PACK GO!
If the Lion's did not have a better coach lined up. Typical Lions. Hopefully in 3 years Mayhew will be flushed out with the coach!
the new coach will have to make the playoffs. The Lions just look like a 6-10 to 8-8. So, it would probably be best for him to start out next season at 4-12 and claim rebuilding, then by year 3 when he goes 8-8 they will fire him and both of the GMs! Then the rebuilding starts all over again once Stafford and CJ leave.
Caldwell will get fired after two seasons, and Tressel will be interim coach. Then the Fords will hire Tressel full-time for the next season, and then will take the Lions to the Super Bowl a season after that.
I don't really believe this, but it would be fun to see all the Lions/UM fans heads explode.
It's simple. Tony Dungy is a Michigan hero and the Fords respect him. Let's hope for the best And expect the worst or vice versa.
Manning's OC was Tom Moore from 1998-2008. It was his offense, his designs. Jim Caldwell had little to do with it.
Moore was the Lions OC when Scott Mitchell threw for 4,000 yards, had two receivers with over 100 catches(first time in history), and lead the league in offense.
Jim Caldwell has no such track record.